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Started by Alexi, July 24, 2014, 02:38:42 PM

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ativan

I make lists of things I want to talk about with my therapist sometimes.
It also helps to keep the conversations running off on a tangent.
Having stuff written down helps to keep things focused on what you want.
Feeling numb can come after feelings from depression, it's common I think.
Depression is pretty emotional, I generally feel numb from bouts of it.

As for clothes, online catalogs are a fast way to look for the variety of stuff out there.
I think some others here could recommend some that cater to more androgynous stuff to wear.
Ativan
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Satinjoy

I take notes between sessions and as a result have very good ones.  My next one is next Monday, and I have notes from the forum discussions to talk over with him.

It's a good idea.  And it leaves reminders to review later in between sessions.

SJ, male mode
Morpheus: This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the red pill - the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the little blue pills - you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes

Sh'e took the little blue ones.
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Taka

i don't have much advice to offer when it comes to therapists, other than what my sister has told me.
talk about everything that bothers you.

i would have seen a therapist myself a couple years ago, if i could.
but taking a whole day off work just to see someone other than my sister's therapist just wasn't something i could do back then.
and now, the nearest therapist is one of my colleagues. also a bad idea.

you're lucky if you have time to see a therapist at all.
you're even luckier if you have a therapist that you feel you can trust.

you could be right that hrt isn't the most important thing right now.
i found great relief in just finding some clothing that i could feel comfortable in.
switching between male and female clothing, without really trying to present as either or or androgyn, helped me a lot when i was struggling to find balance.

feeling numb is the farthest away from fun that i've ever experienced, even depression can't take away my amusement over a good joke that effectively. but it's still a tiny bit better than the urge to find a hole in the ground to hide in for the rest of eternity.
the feeling will pass sooner or later though.
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Alexi

I'm not sure how I'm feeling. Or what I'm feeling. I wish I could feel like I had a purpose. I really don't feel that, and I've not felt it for a really long time. I'm having conflicting thoughts and I don't know how I feel about myself or my body and I'm beginning to hate my body again. I wish I didn't feel so numb but at the same time I wish I could disappear.
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ativan

How's it going with your therapist?
What you're writing is classic symptoms that depression can have.
Have you discussed this with your Therapist?
Did you talk to your MD?
This is the kind of stuff that your therapist should be able to guide you through.
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Alexi

I haven't been to speak about it yet. I don't even know if I can go through with transitioning because I'm going to look so awful.
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Satinjoy

I just got out of my session.  I dumped it all out onto the therapist today, it was a great session for me.

When I first went to therapy, I was petrified.  I was scared beyond belief.  Same with the endo.

They helped me get through that, helped me to relax and talk.

Then I just let it come out of me.

Then I started feeling a tiny bit better.

Now I feel really good.  And I showed my therapist my picture for the first time ever.  It went well, but he took control of that first, then let me show him.

We get out of it what we are able to overcome our fears and blurt out in the session.   It doesn't matter what we blurt out, it just matters that we let it out.  They have to keep their mouths shut anyway, its law.  Its between us and the therapist.

So today, I blurted out stuff I was ashamed of, and now I' not ashamed.  I am just human.

I would encourage you to make sure you go back, and when the time is ready for you to do it, just blurt it out. 

You'll be glad you did it.

That's my advice, because its what I did, and it worked for me, its what I had to do, I did what I had to in order to let it out, to let myself be me.  And I found out that I had value, I did not expect that, I found out people were here for me in this place, and here for me there in therapy, and  that I was human, and  that I am me.

You are loved in this place.  Remember that, its the truth. 

We are here.  So are you.  That is what matters, but listen to our wisdom, and win.

Blessings and love from Satinjoy.
Morpheus: This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the red pill - the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the little blue pills - you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes

Sh'e took the little blue ones.
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Alexi

Quote from: Satinjoy on September 15, 2014, 12:57:50 PM
I just got out of my session.  I dumped it all out onto the therapist today, it was a great session for me.

When I first went to therapy, I was petrified.  I was scared beyond belief.  Same with the endo.

They helped me get through that, helped me to relax and talk.

Then I just let it come out of me.

Then I started feeling a tiny bit better.

Now I feel really good.  And I showed my therapist my picture for the first time ever.  It went well, but he took control of that first, then let me show him.

We get out of it what we are able to overcome our fears and blurt out in the session.   It doesn't matter what we blurt out, it just matters that we let it out.  They have to keep their mouths shut anyway, its law.  Its between us and the therapist.

So today, I blurted out stuff I was ashamed of, and now I' not ashamed.  I am just human.

I would encourage you to make sure you go back, and when the time is ready for you to do it, just blurt it out. 

You'll be glad you did it.

That's my advice, because its what I did, and it worked for me, its what I had to do, I did what I had to in order to let it out, to let myself be me.  And I found out that I had value, I did not expect that, I found out people were here for me in this place, and here for me there in therapy, and  that I was human, and  that I am me.

You are loved in this place.  Remember that, its the truth. 

We are here.  So are you.  That is what matters, but listen to our wisdom, and win.

Blessings and love from Satinjoy.
I know the feeling as I've done it before. I sometimes felt after like I'd made the therapist feel bad, despite it being nothing about the therapist at all! I feel like I'm going to be a really bad androgyne and I'm still struggling to understand the personal meaning of being non-binary. It's not easy to explain.
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ativan

I get that, having gone through it and still do...
There is no honest way to explaining it.
I tell myself that, anyways...
It's simply what you need to do.
Unless it's something very personal that your therapist is seeing a therapist for,
It's pretty hard to make them feel bad.
Tell them what is bothering you, ask the questions you have.
They are there to guide you, not judge you.
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Taka

Quote from: Alexi on September 15, 2014, 03:27:32 PM
I know the feeling as I've done it before. I sometimes felt after like I'd made the therapist feel bad, despite it being nothing about the therapist at all! I feel like I'm going to be a really bad androgyne and I'm still struggling to understand the personal meaning of being non-binary. It's not easy to explain.
it's possible to be a bad man or a bad woman, because society has defined what a good man and a good woman are expected to be.
society still hasn't gotten the chance to define what a good or bad androgyne would be, it's up to us and you to define it, if we want to. but i don't want to define any good or bad in terms of gender. you might be a good or a bad person, based on how you treat others, but how can you be more or less of you?
let your therapist help you find your own way of non-binary.
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Alexi

I can't do this. I really can't do this.  :'(
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Satinjoy

Yes you can dear, just for right now.  You may need to call your therapist, you know the actions we recommend, but see, you are here and reached out, and for this we here are very grateful.

Take a hug from Satinjoy, if you want, cry on my sleeve, but we are here.  Worry about nothing, not transition, not anything, just rest in knowing we are here, and you are loved.

I keep saying it over and over, but I do this because its true....we are close knit, and we never give up.  We are trans.  You are loved.  Rest in this.  Call your support if needed, keep on reaching out to us.  We are patient and kind, and we are here.

Warmest affections

Satinjoy
Morpheus: This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the red pill - the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the little blue pills - you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes

Sh'e took the little blue ones.
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Alexi

I don't have any support. I don't even want any support any more because I'm not worth it. I do nothing but cause pain and misery for other people and they don't need it any more.
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Satinjoy

Dear, that is not true, you are buying into a lie.

And you can't hurt my feelings if you tried. 

What about those people you called that you liked?  You had a positive response post after that one.

Say what you like, but I think your worth it, or I would not be fighting for you right now.

Unfortunately, I need to head for a meeting, and others will need to help too here on the forum.

You may not want support, but you do have it.  We are here.  For some of us, its what motivates us the most.

I don't know your hurt, I couldn't, but I know support.  And you have it.

Blessings.
Morpheus: This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the red pill - the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the little blue pills - you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes

Sh'e took the little blue ones.
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mrs izzy

Quote from: Alexi on September 16, 2014, 10:41:09 AM
I don't have any support. I don't even want any support any more because I'm not worth it. I do nothing but cause pain and misery for other people and they don't need it any more.

Luv I am so sorry you feel you have so little support.

Being along is truly a hard place for any of us to be.

You know I am here and so are many others are but it's up to you GF to reach out when are feeling bad.

Me I am always around somewhere close.

Just a message. We will get you through this somehow just need you to be on board with a solution.

Hugs we are truly here for you Alexi.

Izzy.
Mrs. Izzy
Trans lifeline US 877-565-8860 CAD 877-330-6366 http://www.translifeline.org/
"Those who matter will never judge, this is my given path to walk in life and you have no right to judge"

I used to be grounded but now I can fly.
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Alexi

I'm shaking and in tears. I don't deserve this any more. :'(
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EchelonHunt

I see so much of my old self in you, Alexi, sometimes it's like looking in a mirror.

I understand the depression, the feelings of the non-existent self-worth, the low-self-esteem, the wishing of no longer being a part of this world... I understand it all too well.

Hating my body transformed into a hatred for myself. Depression sunk in after years of struggling to fit in with my female peers. I struggled with watching people around me succeed at school, their career goals and successful relationships while I am stuck in the same place I had always been. I felt worthless, I felt there was no redeemable features about myself at all. Whenever a therapist would say I am intelligent, I would doubt them. Whenever someone would compliment my appearance, I would doubt them. I doubted all the compliments and all the insults, I let them justify my negative views of myself.

Going into relationships was difficult because I had enough issues as it was. I was selfish back then and wallowed in my angst, being blind to the suffering of my partners who tried to support and console me. It was to no avail. One particular relationship ended and the partner spoke of suicide so frankly, it made something inside of me snap. I was angry that she was talking about taking her life so easily - over a short-lived relationship no less! I realized it must have been equally frustrating for her to watch me wallow in self-pity and not do anything to fix it.

I needed to make serious changes to my life. Sitting around and moping in my problems isn't going to help me reach my goals faster. Don't worry about what you are to other people. To be frank, other people most likely do not care - they are struggling with their own issues as it is. Can you imagine they would spend every waking minute thinking about how much pain and misery you bring to them? Of course not, that would be illogical. The thought that you will be giving them pain and misery is the depression talking, trying to justify your existence is not needed in this world by saying you are a burden to others. It is not true and you should not buy into it but I understand it's easy to believe that silky smooth voice when it has been your company for such a long time. Depression has become your very close friend but it's time to cut off ties as the influence has become toxic to your health. 

Inhale, count to three and exhale. Repeat this as many times until you feel yourself beginning to calm down. Once calm, spend some time introspecting on your thoughts and how you can manage your emotions in a way that you can still experience them but also not let them hinder your progress. Try experimenting with different styles of clothing and gender expression you'd like to express inside your own mind. A mind's imagination can be a useful tool for introspection of your identity (or lack there of - also not a bad thing!) It may take a few days, weeks, months or even years for you to come to a conclusion. And you know what? This is okay! Exploring one's identity should not be rushed, it will take time, effort, experimentation and of course, a therapist is always helpful for advice, guidance or just support.

Don't feel like you have to do everything at once - you will only end up overwhelming yourself and placing unnecessary stress where it's not needed. You are certainly allowed to go at your own pace and there is plenty of time. If you decide half-way that a certain identity is not for you, there is no shame in that. I have originally thought I was FtM and after four years on Testosterone, I now happily identify as non-binary. I used to feel like I was a "fake" for not desiring complete binary transition but that's the thing - transition is different for everyone. There is no cookie-cutter mold you have to follow.

If you can, make a plan for the future (travel plans maybe?), start a new hobby, make some new friends, chat to an elderly strangers or smile at people walking past. It might sound ridiculous but doing something small as smiling and making casual talk with others can brighten another person's day. Smiling is universal. If they smile back at you, there's that connection you have made as human beings... it is wonderful. So many people go through the motions everyday and forget that each and every one of us are only human - some even forget to smile! We all have up and down days - how we deal with those emotions is what defines us as who we are.

A psychiatrist once told me something that was in a very similar theme as one that was used in a comic strip, "Just because you haven't got it all figured out, doesn't mean you never will. Some day, you may even look back and wonder why you were ever worried."

Believe me when I say you are not alone and this feeling, even if it feels terrible now, I assure you, it will get better. I am on the other side of depression, waving to you through the dark tunnel, even though you can't hear or see me, I'm yelling that it is better on the other side - you just have to brace yourself and walk through the darkness to the light. At the end of the day, your life and your future is in your hands to control - it's solely up to you if you want to move forward or stay in the same place.

*Hugs* Support is always here for you. I hope you feel better soon and I hope I wasn't too harsh in my post.

Kind regards,

Jacey  :icon_bunch: 
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Dread_Faery

You are worth it, even if that's currently hidden from you. Just know that none of us here will judge you about any decision you make and are here so you don't have to be alone in the darkness.
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mrs izzy

Quote from: Alexi on September 16, 2014, 12:08:41 PM
I'm shaking and in tears. I don't deserve this any more. :'(

I am here reach out. We are trying to get you to be strong. I am here.

Xo
Izzy
Mrs. Izzy
Trans lifeline US 877-565-8860 CAD 877-330-6366 http://www.translifeline.org/
"Those who matter will never judge, this is my given path to walk in life and you have no right to judge"

I used to be grounded but now I can fly.
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Satinjoy

Its ok to shake, its ok to have tears.  I just was in a construction meeting and Satinjoy came out strong, I couldn't stop it.  I went back to my office and I shook a whole lot.  And then a coworker I had outed myself to said she did not notice it.  I noticed it.  So I thought everyone noticed it.  I am still a little bit of a wreck.

Its all ok.

Let it out, stay with us.  Many of us do not deserve things, but we still go on.  For me it got better.  It still gets better.  But I had to give myself a chance.

And I'm fine.  Just know we are here, and you are worth it to us.  We believe in you and will continue to do it, and sooner or later, you will believe in you too.  It just is.

I am going to be a little blob of jello for a little while, and then I will be fine.  That is how it is.  Its ok.  I work in construction and I'm genderqueer and have breasts and nails.  Its all ok.  But I have to realize that is true.

Hang in there, we are both dealing with our identities, and learning to accept ourselves.  You are lucky, you get to do it young, I am learning to do it after 50 years of stuffing it.

Warmest blessings

--Satinjoy.
Morpheus: This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the red pill - the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the little blue pills - you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes

Sh'e took the little blue ones.
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