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How Do You Explain Non-Binary Identities So Others Can Understand?

Started by EchelonHunt, September 28, 2014, 09:50:16 AM

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Kinkly

I present full time as non binary (mostly as bearded lady) so I'm often asked what I am boy or girl? I say a bit of both.  If I'm having an intelligent conversation and are asked what I am biologically as I say "when I was born a dooctor looked between my legs and said "It's a boy" and I've been fighting that ever since". Yesterday I was at an event for International Lesbian Day and was asked about my pronoun preferance My responce was that ze/zere are perfect, but that she was acceptable.
I don't want to be a man there from Mars
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kelly_aus

Quote from: Sarah7 on October 06, 2014, 04:41:45 AM
The willingness people have to generalize from their own experience in this thread is really disturbing. There are trans people who have been abused and mistreated by cis people. It is unsurprising that their attitudes might be a bit different from your own. If you don't know anything about someone's life I would strongly recommend you don't make assertions regarding their personality or behaviour for fear of casting yourself as rather insensitive. If you were under the misapprehension that you are behaving well or appropriately perhaps now would be a good time to review your posts, reconsider your words and issue apologies where appropriate.

And for the record, I really, really miss Nero. He never would have tolerated this complete failure of etiquette in our forum.

I've been used and abused plenty for being trans.. I've been abused here for being non-binary. That doesn't mean I have to lower myself to the same level as those haters. 
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Jess42

Ok let me explain what my ideal of validation and invalidation is. When I can look in the mirror and be sure that the person looking back is me. That I can walk down the street and not feel 2 inches tall or scared that someone is gonna' say something negative that will harm my self image. That when they do and they do sometimes, I am still self confident enough in myself for them not to let it destroy my whole day. And maybe just maybe say something that will change something in the way they think. No that rarely ever works but still... A more positive reaction from me may put a more positive image of the whole community in their own minds. That when I get home and look in the same mirror that I see the same person inside and out as I did that morning. Sill sure of myself, still confident and sure who I am.

Invalidation would be just the total opposite. When you look in the mirror, you aren't as confident with who you are. That if someone says something negative on the street it hurts you, its always gonna' hurt it is just a matter of how fast the wound heals. And how bad you let them effect you own self image, self confidence and how bad you let them turn a positive day or feeling into a negative day. That means to me that you are letting others control how you see yourself, fell about yourself and effect your Psyche, brought to you my "normal" society and so called seemingly "normal" people.

I am extremely lucky. I had to read books on psychology, no gender therapist anywhere near where I grew up. SO I really either had to accept myself or hate myself. I won't lie there are times I still hate myself and there're times that dysphoria takes over. But I can usually nip that in the bud before it blooms into a real monster.

I am so sorry because I know there are other here now that are going through what I went through a long time ago and believe me. I made it through and I am not uncommonly psychologically strong. Way far from being that. Some of you have heard me say quite a few times, society doesn't have to accept me. I don't have to accept society either. Maybe my disdain for society has made me look elsewhere for my own validity and I just happened to find it. Society has never really accepted me anyway and maybe that is why I have never really tried to fit in with society. Maybe those of us that have tried and actually could look like they fit in with society are the ones that are having the biggest problems. I never could fit even when I tried, and I've tried many times and always failed. And that is what helped me.

But we have all been shunned and hurt by society. We have been psychologically abused and in a lot of cases physically abused by society. That is why I tell everyone that they have strength that they have no idea they have. It's just a matter of finding it. I'm lucky because I found mine early on, but it still doesn't make me immune to dysphoria and lack of self confidence and question my own self image. But the bouts aren't near as severe and last that long. But that strength starts with you and being sure of who you are to yourself and not letting no one else take that self image away. Or to me it does anyway. If someone laughs at me, I don't get angry or mad or let it bring me down. I look at them and see a lot about them that I could laugh at or criticize but I don't. This lets me walk away feeling confident and strong. It hurts my feelings, no lie and I could very easily hurt theirs too. And learning to think like that gives me the control over myself and takes control away from the person that tried to make themselves feel bigger. Does any of this make sense?

For those of us that are just starting this crazy journey especially if ya'll have been able to sort of blend in with society, I won't lie, it is hard. Seeing yourself as you want to instead of the way other people decide to see you is extremely hard if we depend on others for our own self image. Once we can fully instill in our selves a self image of who we are and are confident in that then other people's vision of you doesn't matter as much anymore. But like I said earlier, I am not stronger than anyone else, as a matter of fact there are plenty that are way stronger than me. It is just a matter of learning how to deal with society and not looking to society to define who you are. Most "normal" people that I run across let society define themselves especially when it comes to gender. I know guys that hate watching football games, but they do anyway because it is expected of them.

I don't want to insult anyone or hurt anyone. To me everyone is a human being, not man or woman but another human and we are all unique and special. I believe that we have strength that the rest of society can't even comprehend all of us all across the spectrum.
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suzifrommd

Quote from: cathyrains on October 05, 2014, 04:38:25 PM
What does it achieve to categorise people as "cis" or "trans"? Does that not create exactly the sort of prejudice and false perception that gives rise to the aggression you have witnessed? I have witnessed as much kindness and understanding from "cis" as I have "trans" and easily as much aggression from "trans" as I have "cis".

I guess the same thing it achieves by any categorization. It saves you lots of words. Much easier to say "cisgender" than "someone whose birth sex matches their gender identity", right?
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ativan

Pushed right back into that same circle of invalidation (so sick of that word now).
It wouldn't surprise me if this thread was locked.
But then it wouldn't surprise me if it's not, either.

We are not their enemy, but they think we are theirs.
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Shantel

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on October 06, 2014, 11:13:06 AM
Simple terms, and an offer to field any questions that the person has.

Uh - Dev, we've already discussed the fallacy of wasting our life's energy talking to those who have extreme binary views, it's like having a discussion with a statue of a Cigar Store Indian. This being very similar to your previous experience and lack of understanding and acceptance as a cross dresser by the militant MtF population. It does really suck my friend!
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Shantel

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on October 06, 2014, 12:05:56 PM
I'm just answering the question the O/P asked, Shan. Doesn't it still work that way here?

Sure, but it would be helpful if you read the entire thread before responding. I have found that it saves me from foot in mouth syndrome and a lot of other people's toes don't get entirely squashed by my opinion. Just saying!
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Shantel

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on October 06, 2014, 12:26:42 PM
I watched the recent binary/non-binary issues. I saw the posts and threads deleted. You ran into the exact same militant mindset I did. I don't care about any of that, it's water under the bridge. If the thread has been so sidetracked that I can't reply to the question of how I would handle the matter, it should say so.

It hasn't, I'm only pointing out that having to continually explain oneself as a non-binary to people who appear to be continually baiting an argument with an underlying denigrating manner of discourse is a waste of time, we aren't going to backtrack and try to reinvent that wheel again.
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Devlyn

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Taka

unable to quote, i will abstain from pointing fingers...

it think we should always consider the possibility that a person is venting frustration, letting off steam, when they post bitter and aggressive posts directed at society or a generalization of the vast majority. maybe they are doing this because something just happened, or they haven't been able to work through those feelings yet, ot they don't have anyone offline to whom thwy can express these particular feelings.

the feelings or frustrations people express in a single post in an answer to something that might have triggered a little more aggression than usual, maybe even justified anger, should not be taken as respresentative for the person's overall personality or attitude. not even for their usual attitude in the matter they responded to.

it doesn't seem constuctive to any discussion, to discuss each other's attitude or personality. i would rather want to know what you agree or disagree upon regarding the view the person presented.

though i suppose it's up to our mods to look out for what could be seen as personal attacks or labeling, so i won't say anything more about this for now.
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ativan

Quote from: Jessica Merriman on October 06, 2014, 03:15:20 AM
Quote from: kinz on Today at 02:40:32 am
what do you mean, what does it achieve? trans people aren't the ones who categorized ourselves in the first place. you know who it was the first time around? it was cis people, and they created the categories of "normal" for themselves and "deviant" for trans people. you wanna talk about prejudice and false perception? you wanna talk about aggression?

You have to look at the FACT that cis people live in the binary and have been trained that way since birth. It takes a lot for them to break that mold so we can't blame them for "categorizing" trans people. It is simply their upbringing. It was not on purpose, jeesh!

man, i've never met a cis person i was out to who hasn't done something screwed up to me. i've never met a cis person who didn't dish out a little bit of pathetic pity with their "kindness." it's stuff like this that makes me care less and less as time goes on about cis people's feelings, opinions, and ideas.

I am sorry this has been your experience as not all of us have had that. I have some wonderful friends who treat me as I am. Could it be something other than being trans is causing this?

I don't understand your shouting and what you are trying to say. I demand that you explain it and being binary to me.
I don't get What your point is, it's to binary for me to understand, I need you to explain this binaryism, it's to different from non-binary thinking and understanding
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