A cis person can wear whatever they want, have whatever harmless hobbies they want, have whatever mannerisms they want, etc and they are still taken seriously as the gender they are. A trans person? Oh well, then it's "unreasonable" to expect to be taken seriously as the gender they are.
Transphobic, homophobic, etc people get "freedom of speech" (by which they apparently mean being able to say whatever they like and have anyone say anything back and/or expect them to take responsibility for themselves), but when someone challenges them, oh no, those latter people should shut up because it's "disrespectful."
It's wrong for us to expect people to be as courteous to us as we are expected to be of them.
We have to be the "better" people, but other people don't.
We better be grateful for whatever scraps of decency when we get.

And for some reason, people don't see the problem with any of the above.

Hugs

 i agree for the manerism and hobbies or more , sometime peoples make me feel like i should be all happy because i could get my body somewhat not completly yet as if its supposed to make me immune to the rest of worries there can be for a person or reasons to be depressed., for the later i do not know much i have often just had my own standards of being respectfull , and for the scrap of decency i see it as a coming into norm not as a heavens blessing

Quote from: Edge on October 21, 2014, 03:09:01 PM
A cis person can wear whatever they want, have whatever harmless hobbies they want, have whatever mannerisms they want, etc and they are still taken seriously as the gender they are. A trans person? Oh well, then it's "unreasonable" to expect to be taken seriously as the gender they are.
Transphobic, homophobic, etc people get "freedom of speech" (by which they apparently mean being able to say whatever they like and have anyone say anything back and/or expect them to take responsibility for themselves), but when someone challenges them, oh no, those latter people should shut up because it's "disrespectful."
It's wrong for us to expect people to be as courteous to us as we are expected to be of them.
We have to be the "better" people, but other people don't.
We better be grateful for whatever scraps of decency when we get.

And for some reason, people don't see the problem with any of the above.

I just tell them to go screw themselves when they pull that crap. I will like what I damn well please and if that bugs them, then boo hoo. Same thing if they want to sling mud. I don't pull any punches when people do that crap. I can be far more acidic and harsh in terms of what I can throw back at them. They usually wither up and slunk away when that happens.

On the other hand, if someone is cool with me, then I will be cool with them. Most of the times, people are cool. But when someone comes at me with some sort of verbal assault, I am more than capable of taking them down.

Quote from: White Rabbit on October 21, 2014, 03:15:23 PM
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Hugs back

Quote from: Laura Squirrel on October 21, 2014, 03:26:10 PM
I just tell them to go screw themselves when they pull that crap. I will like what I damn well please and if that bugs them, then boo hoo. Same thing if they want to sling mud. I don't pull any punches when people do that crap. I can be far more acidic and harsh in terms of what I can throw back at them. They usually wither up and slunk away when that happens.

On the other hand, if someone is cool with me, then I will be cool with them. Most of the times, people are cool. But when someone comes at me with some sort of verbal assault, I am more than capable of taking them down.

Same with me. And then people act as if I'm so harsh and mean and boohoohoo.

 

Quote from: Edge on October 21, 2014, 03:37:13 PM
Same with me. And then people act as if I'm so harsh and mean and boohoohoo.

They do the exact same thing with me. I just tell them that they shouldn't dish it out if they can't take it.

Quote from: evecrook on October 21, 2014, 03:44:39 PM

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Quote from: Laura Squirrel on October 21, 2014, 03:59:01 PM
They do the exact same thing with me. I just tell them that they shouldn't dish it out if they can't take it.

Haha. Me too. Still pisses me off though.
Of course, I should stop worrying what people think of me and just do whatever anyway. Unfortunately, I can't seem to stop being afraid of what they'll try to do.

Oh yeah and there's also the double standard where I'm expected to bow and scrape and try to impress other people even though I don't like them and have no reason to, but other people aren't expected to try and impress me.

I feel for you. I live in a place where no matter what I do, I'm going to be seen as weird and get crap for it. It's a place filled with religious fundamentalists and fringe-y right-wingers. Not the best place for an atheist trans lesbian with liberal leanings.

Quote from: Edge on October 21, 2014, 04:15:30 PM
hugs back
Haha. Me too. Still pisses me off though.
Of course, I should stop worrying what people think of me and just do whatever anyway. Unfortunately, I can't seem to stop being afraid of what they'll try to do.

Oh yeah and there's also the double standard where I'm expected to bow and scrape and try to impress other people even though I don't like them and have no reason to, but other people aren't expected to try and impress me.

I will take a bullet in the head before I ever kiss anyone's butt to try to impress them. I could care less if they impress me, don't ask them to or want them to even try.

Just like Laura said. I tell the to go "screw" themselves but with one less letter and starts with an "F" and ends with a "K" and then usually ivolves the high horse they rode in on too.

Edge, Hon. Don't even feel like you are expected to bow down and impress anyone. Never beg for scraps. Stand strong and refuse. If they don't like it, screw 'em. They don't have to like you but demand respect from them.

Quote from: Pikachu on October 21, 2014, 04:26:31 PM
I feel for you. I live in a place where no matter what I do, I'm going to be seen as weird and get crap for it. It's a place filled with religious fundamentalists and fringe-y right-wingers. Not the best place for an atheist trans lesbian with liberal leanings.

I don't know Pikachu. I live in a place like that and I do alright. But I'm not an atheist though. On the south side of heaven, yeah, but not an atheist.

Quote from: Jess42 on October 21, 2014, 04:34:03 PM
I don't know Pikachu. I live in a place like that and I do alright. But I'm not an atheist though. On the south side of heaven, yeah, but not an atheist.

Haha. I do fine, too, but I'm still at odds with society. And "atheist" might as well be synonymous with "satanist" around these parts. Actually, I might even be seen as more respectable if I were a satanist.

Quote from: Jess42 on October 21, 2014, 04:34:03 PM
I will take a bullet in the head before I ever kiss anyone's butt to try to impress them. I could care less if they impress me, don't ask them to or want them to even try.

Just like Laura said. I tell the to go "screw" themselves but with one less letter and starts with an "F" and ends with a "K" and then usually ivolves the high horse they rode in on too.

Edge, Hon. Don't even feel like you are expected to bow down and impress anyone. Never beg for scraps. Stand strong and refuse. If they don't like it, screw 'em. They don't have to like you but demand respect from them.

Oh trust me, I do.
Unfortunately, I can't control other people and the fact that I don't follow these rules put on me has caused a lot of people to hurt me and use my lack of cooperation as justification. My family has used it as justification for their abuse since I was in elementary as have many of my friends and extended family. I definitely have a few issues because of it. Now, I get more of it because I'm trans.
That does not mean I agree with, follow, or in any way comply with any of those double standards. It just means they piss me off and I hate everyone. I am not a pathetic weakling.

Quote from: Pikachu on October 21, 2014, 04:39:07 PM
Haha. I do fine, too, but I'm still at odds with society. And "atheist" might as well be synonymous with "satanist" around these parts. Actually, I might even be seen as more respectable if I were a satanist.

Yep. I know what you mean. I have even claimed it. Why argue? If you can boost business and make a little money from it well... Do like I do hon. Tell them you're a Satanist. If anything it raises some eyebrows. And I truly love a good scandal, especially if I'm in the midst of it. Not to mention, give them the "Evil Eye" and see how they react. Just be careful and don't let 'em burn you at the stake though. Or burn you steak.

Quote from: Edge on October 21, 2014, 04:40:36 PM
Oh trust me, I do.
Unfortunately, I can't control other people and the fact that I don't follow these rules put on me has caused a lot of people to hurt me and use my lack of cooperation as justification. My family has used it as justification for their abuse since I was in elementary as have many of my friends and extended family. I definitely have a few issues because of it. Now, I get more of it because I'm trans.
That does not mean I agree with, follow, or in any way comply with any of those double standards. It just means they piss me off and I hate everyone. I am not a pathetic weakling.

Oh. I know you are not a pathetic weakling, far from it if your personality is anything like you display here. Not a bad thing at all. Nope, we can't control other people, but we can control how other people make us feel about ourselves. As for your family using certain things for justification, turn it around on them and use those things for your justification. It is hard I know. But never impossible. You are probably about the strongest, most intimidating guy here. Your don't really intimidate me but I am kind of leary of you and no one intimidates me because I won't be intimidated. Leary, yeah. Your personality is strong. I mean that's the vibes I get from you anyway. Use it to your advantage and don't let anyone justify any kind of messed up BS on you OK?

Ok.  Thank you. Unfortunately, people do things whether I let them or not. But yeah, I shouldn't let it hurt me that people actually believe that crap about me.

Quote from: Pikachu on October 21, 2014, 04:26:31 PM
I feel for you. I live in a place where no matter what I do, I'm going to be seen as weird and get crap for it. It's a place filled with religious fundamentalists and fringe-y right-wingers. Not the best place for an atheist trans lesbian with liberal leanings.

Forgot to respond to this. Sorry. Thanks, Pikachu. Ugh fringe-y right-wingers. I do not understand them.

Yeah, you're someone I've always viewed as very strong, Edge. I admire that about you. You aren't afraid to speak your mind.

Thanks, Pikachu. Same to you. I really admire you. Jess and Laura as well.

Hateful people always like to play the victim so they can justify their hate. They use hateful words to make themselves feel moral and superior when in fact they are little better then pond scum.

Stay strong

HAHAHA. Edge. See, Crazy Jess isn't the only one. Huh?

BTW. Just to let you know. Do you know how many people believe crap about me. Some true but most not. They can believe what they want. I let them and sometimes even egg it on. And this was about one particular bad thing that happened to me. I took control over it instead of letting it control me. But then again, I just ain't the nicest person or heavenliest angel in the world either.

Thanks, White Rabbit.

Quote from: Jess42 on October 21, 2014, 05:35:05 PM
HAHAHA. Edge. See, Crazy Jess isn't the only one. Huh?

BTW. Just to let you know. Do you know how many people believe crap about me. Some true but most not. They can believe what they want. I let them and sometimes even egg it on. And this was about one particular bad thing that happened to me. I took control over it instead of letting it control me. But then again, I just ain't the nicest person or heavenliest angel in the world either.

lol Neither am I, but you probably already knew that.
If you have any advice for how to not care (aside from "just do it" or "have friends" since I have neither friends nor the ability to just do it), I'd love to hear it.

Realize that most of these people are miserable with their own life and by hurting others it makes them feel better so by shrugging it off you drive them crazy.

Laugh at them inside your mind as they get madder and madder because you won't rise to their bait.

Also the best revenge in my mind is living well