The size, depending on squishiness might be workable, but the weight is very heavy, esp, since it would be partly hollow. Silicone is generally a lot heavier than other materials. But geeze, this baby is heavy.

--Jay

Quote from: Brett on October 10, 2014, 06:59:19 PM
I know.  I wrote them back to confirm that I understood them correctly and to understand why it is so heavy.  They explained the reasons for the higher weight than the flaccid is:

*The shaft is just over 5inches (flaccid, as we know is 4.5)
*The shaft is "slightly thicker"
*The scrotum is larger to account for the STP

Sooo, that's the way it is, fellas.   

Quote from: Brett on October 10, 2014, 05:23:56 PM
I spoke with Reel Magik and they told me the weight this time.  13oz.  For comparison, the flaccid prosthetic and basic packer are 9.2oz.  The 6 inch erects are 11.0 oz (with flex rod)/11.2 oz (without flex rod).

I'm not trying to bash on their products, because I love them. But how does that 13oz make sense if they are using the same silicone as their other prosthetics?
I know silicone can swing in weight a bit if not poured correctly... but still 9.2oz to 13oz is a huge difference. The fact that it is hollow, should it make lighter in weight not heavier..

I'm really wondering what the cause is of this weight issue.

Edit:
Sorry I misread the post before me. Even though it is slightly thicker and just 0,5inch longer the weight gain is huge on that STP, to my opinion

Quote from: Teacherology on October 11, 2014, 06:39:41 AM
Edit:
Sorry I misread the post before me. Even though it is slightly thicker and just 0,5inch longer the weight gain is huge on that STP, to my opinion

I agree, and I don't understand either.  When I spoke to them when they first started working on the model, they said it would actually be lighter than the flaccid.  The prototype I saw (Summer 2014), was pretty much the same as the regular flaccid, the length of shaft, scrotum, etc, appeared the same.  Of course, that was just a prototype, they had just started (?), working on it.  They even mention on their site that the testicles are lighter, but I suppose that still doesn't make up for the full product weight.

I am curious as to why they felt a need to make the shaft longer?  I don't want to ask too many questions though as I am not planning to purchase (mostly due to weight), so I do not think it would be fair for me to expect them to take the time to answer my questions.

I admit, this is a bit of a bummer.  No doubt they will have a lot of customers for whom weight is not an issue and I appreciate them making this product for the community.

Maybe the thickness is because they're making the shaft itself thicker to account for the pee going through, possible deterioration, and then the fact that you'll be wearing it like a packer as well so making sure it doesn't bend since it'll be hollow. Like making sure it retains it shape, so to say, in your pants as a packer while having the benefits of an STP.

I dont understand the problem about the weight o.o
I went from the limpy to the RM basic packer and the weight doesnt bother me at all.

The only problem with the weight is that it stretches out my underwear faster and it becomes to loose to pack without harness or pouch.
other than that, I like the weight of it because I can feel it hanging.

Quote from: WooKiseob on October 13, 2014, 03:58:13 PM
I dont understand the problem about the weight o.o
I went from the limpy to the RM basic packer and the weight doesnt bother me at all.

The only problem with the weight is that it stretches out my underwear faster and it becomes to loose to pack without harness or pouch.
other than that, I like the weight of it because I can feel it hanging.

Some people just prefer a lighter packer.  I am one of them.

Quote from: Teacherology on October 11, 2014, 06:39:41 AM
I'm not trying to bash on their products, because I love them. But how does that 13oz make sense if they are using the same silicone as their other prosthetics?
I know silicone can swing in weight a bit if not poured correctly... but still 9.2oz to 13oz is a huge difference. The fact that it is hollow, should it make lighter in weight not heavier..

I'm really wondering what the cause is of this weight issue.

Edit:
Sorry I misread the post before me. Even though it is slightly thicker and just 0,5inch longer the weight gain is huge on that STP, to my opinion

I think you are a bit confused...their STP Model IS NOT their flaccid 4.5" model with an STP. It is an entirely new product in a different size (5" model), hence the size and weight difference. I'm sure the heavier weight is due to the larger proportions of the product...the weight of silicone does not get heavier or lighter if poured differently. I have a friend who has worked with it and explained it to me. The more silicone there is, the more weight it adds...it's a larger product, so there is more weight...very simple. The weight is in-between their 6" and 8" models...I have used both and can say that they are not too heavy to adhere, and I've never had any issues.

I was at the conference in Philly also and had the chance to hold the prototype and compare it to the 4.5" model...they were definitely different, both in size and weight. From what I remember, they had said the weight of the prototype was about 16oz, and they were working on reducing the weight. I can imagine it's hard to shave off that much weight when designing a product for a specific function. I know there are those who feel weight is an issue, but it hasn't been for me.

I know it is not the 4.5 model with STP, but it does look very much alike to me.. based of the website pictures(that is what I'm trying to say). No offense. I did not go to the conference because I live too far away, so I can not be entirely sure about it. Sorry...
I also worked with silicone, and if you use too much softener(not the washing softener but the silicone softening agent) in silicone (in pouring process). It will go up in weight. I tested it when I used to be in school and we had to make silicone art. That is just my experience with it. I'm not saying this will be the cause of every "heavy" silicone product though...nor it will be the method that RM has used because I did not asked them. I just don't want to include or exclude anything.

Yes a silicone object will get heavier if it is bigger as in more silicone used, so you are also right in that aspect.

Don't get me wrong, I really like their products. Only to me, I prefer a slightly lighter one. That is why I was hoping for the STP to be lighter than their other products. I was just curious what the cause was of the weight gain. Now I know. Thank you.

Quote from: Teacherology on October 14, 2014, 09:59:20 AM
I know it is not the 4.5 model with STP, but it does look very much alike to me.. based of the website pictures(that is what I'm trying to say). No offense. I did not go to the conference because I live too far away, so I can not be entirely sure about it. Sorry...
I also worked with silicone, and if you use too much softener(not the washing softener but the silicone softening agent) in silicone (in pouring process). It will go up in weight. I tested it when I used to be in school and we had to make silicone art. That is just my experience with it. I'm not saying this will be the cause of every "heavy" silicone product though...nor it will be the method that RM has used because I did not asked them. I just don't want to include or exclude anything.

Yes a silicone object will get heavier if it is bigger as in more silicone used, so you are also right in that aspect.

Don't get me wrong, I really like their products. Only to me, I prefer a slightly lighter one. That is why I was hoping for the STP to be lighter than their other products. I was just curious what the cause was of the weight gain. Now I know. Thank you.

Teacherology, I very much appreciated you sharing your knowledge on silicone products and weight.  Interesting stuff!

Yeah silicone is heavier stuff. Obviously many advantages on being a medically neutral material-- but that's the disadvantageous.  But I agree with Teacherology's post.

--Jay

Quote from: Brett on October 18, 2014, 09:04:15 PM
Teacherology, I very much appreciated you sharing your knowledge on silicone products and weight.  Interesting stuff!

First post here, actually joined to ask this but do you think you'd be able to put a rod into the stp for sex? Thereby making it a 3-in-1..would that be possible or is there some glaring issue with that process? Thanks for the info!

Funny thing, I pretty much told them they could do that right at the RM table at Philly Trans Health. But no it is not a 3 in 1.

--Jay

Quote from: poet on October 25, 2014, 09:17:15 PM
First post here, actually joined to ask this but do you think you'd be able to put a rod into the stp for sex? Thereby making it a 3-in-1..would that be possible or is there some glaring issue with that process? Thanks for the info!

Quote from: poet on October 25, 2014, 09:17:15 PM
First post here, actually joined to ask this but do you think you'd be able to put a rod into the stp for sex? Thereby making it a 3-in-1..would that be possible or is there some glaring issue with that process? Thanks for the info!

I would not risk it if I were you. Silicone will become weaker, if you force something through it. If it teared once, it will likely tear twice or more. The other thing is.. you don't know how the internal hole of the stp is shaped. Therefor making your own rod, might not fit the hole properly.

Yeah, people have made STPs from RM basic packers. It's quite difficult by the looks of it. Cyberskin is MUCH easier to work with and silicone is unforgiving.

--Jay

Quote from: Teacherology on October 26, 2014, 02:26:24 AM
I would not risk it if I were you. Silicone will become weaker, if you force something through it. If it teared once, it will likely tear twice or more. The other thing is.. you don't know how the internal hole of the stp is shaped. Therefor making your own rod, might not fit the hole properly.

My only fear with this is I'm one of those special snow flakes that have my urethra literally as far back as it can go without crossing the great divide if anyone knows what I'm saying.
I'd be afraid it wouldn't go far back enough and yeah.. there'd be a mess.

I'd def like to see some reviews before I drop that much money. Don't get me wrong, RM is amazing as far as details go and the fact they create prosthetics that can be glued on is even better, but I'd love some size measurements and hope they include those when it's released.

Anybody know how soon I'd probably get mine if I ordered the STP the day they officially release it? I'm planning to work on a mountain resort again this winter and my life on the hill will get a million times easier if I can just piss in the trees!

I want to get a RM prosthetic 4,5. Not sure about the skin tone. I don't want to order samples. It is not easy to be sure of color match on their website.
Do you have any picture of your RM prosthetic with color tone (from M6 to M9 ?

Just placed my order for the upgraded STP prosthetic. It'll decimate my savings, so I hope it's worth it.

The site says it should be about 9-12 weeks.

Hi there !
I placed my order too for a RM basic STP (waiting time 3-5 weeks). I am soooo excited !!

Just placed my order as well (Standard Model, M7)...says 3-5 weeks for shipping! So excited for this:)