No one is born with an adam's apple. It is a side effect of testosterone on the body, which causes the larynx to change shape and move lower in the throat. Babies don't have adam's apples, and few male children do either.

And yes, it means those trans kids who have supporting parents who put them on blockers then allow them to start HRT at 15-16 will grow up without any residual male side effects like that.

I've said this before and elsewhere but we are probably a generation or two away from where transitioners like you and me will almost no longer exist. If being trans comes to be accepted  as a treatable medical condition in the next 50-75 years, very few children in first world nations will ever grow up in the wrong gender. The social awkwardness, the dealing with residual effects of testosterone poisoning - those will be things of the past.

So in a sense, as we come out into the public eye now, as we transition as adults, this could be a very temporary thing with the majority of trans kids transitioning when young and being socialized in the gender with which they identify. In a sense, I guess the period before modern medicine could be considered one era, and the eventual arrival of early treatment of trans conditions being another era, and we're the evolutionary transitional forms in between one era and the next, not destined to remain in any serious numbers, and maybe not even well understood if our history isn't preserved going forward.

I'm pretty sure everyone is born without an Adam's apple But I know what you mean, I don't have one either

Quote from: Clhoe G on December 03, 2014, 06:01:35 AM
It's sort of fairly scientific, sort of, n I sort of got it a little wrong, because all I really remembered about it was my findings on myself, which is pretty funny actually.

So I just went back n double checked it and here it is.

My index finger measures the same as my ring finger, but it looks like my index finger is shorter then my ring finger.

But here's the funny bit, with the typical female, the index finger measures the same as the ring finger or longer, but with the typical male the index finger measures shorter then the ring finger.
And even funnier, it should be noticeable with just a look, but that's not always the case. 

So here's how to measure the D2:D4 ratio

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/12/02/article-1335155-0C53D032000005DC-118_468x460.jpg

Sorry all for the inaccurate information before

Every time I see your profile photo I think of Andrej Pejic

My index finger seems slightly shorter than the ring finger on the left hand, and on the right hand the index finger is dramatically shorter due to all those years of writing with a pen--deformed my fingers. Ugh! Next thing I know I'll be looking at my nose!!!! Eeek! LOL

Everybody is born and has a thyroid cartilage (adam apple). The thyroid cartilage is most prominent in man.

As far as the digit ratio, it is not an absolute sexual dimorphic feature, there a re plenty of cis female with "male ratios" and vice versa

just saying

The "adam apple," like other sexually dimorphic secondary sexual characteristics are less prominent in certain ethnicity of Asian origin

I feel fortunate that I don't have a showing Adam's Apple. With me being 6'7" I've had a few people look for one in such an obvious way it's almost comical. I once heard one woman say to another woman after being "examined" washing my hands on the women's bathroom "She's just a really tall woman, no Adam's apple."

Quote from: peky on December 03, 2014, 06:05:53 PM
Everybody is born and has a thyroid cartilage (adam apple). The thyroid cartilage is most prominent in man.

Well put and totally agree. Women have this, it's just not prominent in a cis woman.

Like Chloe, I have no Adams Apple either, plus very small hands and  fairly small feet (UK size 7). Unfortunately my dysphoria, before I went back onto HRT over the last 20 years saw me put a lot of unwanted fat on my tummy. Its quite hdd now to lose it, but lose it I must otherwise I will never get the hour glass figure, although Corset training is helping.
Judith

Agreed Peky, everyone has one... just nice when you can't see it, naturally 

As for index finger, there is some scientific studies that suggest certain traits, found it on Wikipedia... Clhoe is right...

Luckily by re-looking and measuring my Index and Ring are almost identical...to hard to call  and my hands are small for a male... but fingers are not really narrow towards the nail...

Turned out to be a great topic Cee Myk 

L Katy

Quote from: TSJasmine on December 03, 2014, 05:44:46 PM
Every time I see your profile photo I think of Andrej Pejic

My Mun keeps saying the same thing, like "you to could be sister's", I really don't see it myself, tho I keep getting told that. But funny enough I do have the same mole pattern on my right cheak.