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Arizona Pastor: "AIDS-Free Christmas" If Gays Are Killed

Started by Illuminess, December 03, 2014, 03:15:27 PM

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By the same token and logic: Why is he so worried about Aids... if he isn't gay?
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traci_k

The Bible also calls for stoning those caught in adultery. Would probably wipe out a percentage of his church.

Preachers like these are why I'll NEVER join another Baptist Church.

Don't worry dude, I won't set foot in your church.
Traci Melissa Knight
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awilliams1701

Actually Jesus hang around the people that society hated the most. He hung around criminals, tax collectors, bad sinners. I truly believe that Jesus's actions indicate he would have been an LGBT+ ally.

Quote from: fitzyfoop on December 03, 2014, 03:59:45 PM
Even though I'm an atheist, Jesus seemed like a really nice guy, and he probably wouldn't have killed anyone, he would have disowned the people who are homophobic/transphobic
Ashley
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awilliams1701

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't this kind of drastic action against one particular segment of the population sound a lot like Adolf Hitler?
Ashley
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PinkCloud

Quote from: awilliams1701 on December 04, 2014, 01:44:57 PM
Actually Jesus hang around the people that society hated the most. He hung around criminals, tax collectors, bad sinners. I truly believe that Jesus's actions indicate he would have been an LGBT+ ally.

Yes. And without Judas, his little ploy would have failed. Judas also sacrificed himself, in some way... a clue: no light without darkness, never mind, I get too philosophical again...
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fitzyfoop

Quote from: awilliams1701 on December 04, 2014, 01:46:02 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't this kind of drastic action against one particular segment of the population sound a lot like Adolf Hitler?
Yeah, but time and time again, conservatives have said all sorts of ->-bleeped-<- about LGBT people, and most of us have just learnt to laugh at them
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suzifrommd

Quote from: fitzyfoop on December 05, 2014, 02:20:11 AM
Yeah, but time and time again, conservatives have said all sorts of ->-bleeped-<- about LGBT people, and most of us have just learnt to laugh at them

Yes, true.

But the same was also said in Germany in the 1930's when a total kook advocating wiping out a particular religion. People laughed at him. Once he actually started carting away those folks in cattle cars to gas chambers, no one was laughing any more.

When someone advocates mass murder in the name of good, I find it impossible not to take seriously. The man should be arrested.
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traci_k

Quote from: fitzyfoop on December 05, 2014, 02:20:11 AM
Yeah, but time and time again, conservatives have said all sorts of ->-bleeped-<- about LGBT people, and most of us have just learnt to laugh at them

Please, not all conservatives are socio-pathic fundy preachers. I'm Fiscally, conservative, socially open-minded.
Traci Melissa Knight
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Shodan

Quote from: Illuminess on December 03, 2014, 03:53:27 PM
America is the glorious effigy of cognitive dissonance thanks to all the imbeciles that somehow (nepotism and cronyism) get jobs in positions of authority. We'd have a stabler government if it was run by schizophrenic ferrets.

I own schizophrenic ferrets, and I back this idea 100%.




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ErinWDK

Quote from: suzifrommd on December 05, 2014, 07:55:34 AM
Yes, true.

But the same was also said in Germany in the 1930's when a total kook advocating wiping out a particular religion. People laughed at him. Once he actually started carting away those folks in cattle cars to gas chambers, no one was laughing any more.

When someone advocates mass murder in the name of good, I find it impossible not to take seriously. The man should be arrested.

What was said about Germany was best summed up:

"In Germany they came first for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up."

-- by Martin Niemöller, prominent German anti-Nazi theologian and Lutheran pastor

I watched the two videos showing snippets of this "pastors" sermon.  To say he has missed the point is a gross understatement.  He would eliminate ANYBODY under the LGBTIQQA umbrella and think he was doing right.  As Suzi has said making public proclaimations like this is a crime and he should be arrested.

He has been investigated by the Secret Service because he has publically prayed for the demise of the President.  He must have missed arrest for that by the skin of his teeth.  The Bible specifically commands Christians to pray FOR those in authority - and in those days the ones in authority were really difficult to pray for.  So he fully misses much of the teaching of the Bible he is trying to thump.

Sorry for the rant -- this makes me sick.

It would appear that sooner rather than later I am going to need to come out in my church and speak as an advocate for LGBTIQQA.  At least the leadership in my church is not like this guy by a long sea mile, and they have taken the word "Baptist" out of the name of the church.


Erin


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Illuminess

Quote from: traci_k on December 05, 2014, 08:19:20 AM
Please, not all conservatives are socio-pathic fundy preachers. I'm Fiscally, conservative, socially open-minded.

It's become easy to lump all conservatives together as having the same overall perspectives, and that's largely due to us basing our own on what we see in the behavior of politicians. The thing is, being successful in politics requires one to forfeit a lot of genuine values, so you rarely get anyone in office who can do anything beneficial for society whether they want to or not. The same goes for liberal politicians. Both parties have some great ideas and equally some really bad ones. More often than not, though, they really have no idea how to make the good ones work; and the higher up you go the more you're expected to comply with the agenda of those above you. All we ever do, in response, is react emotionally, and base our opinions of each candidate on what they decide to say. Whether or not any of it is true, we always support the one whose words evoke the most feel-good emotions. We completely disregard all of the bad things they do — and all of the promises they've neglected to keep — because it's just easier to fawn over some avatar than to think about anything or to consider reclaiming responsibility for the social and economical direction of our country.

When you think about it, politicians and preachers are pretty much in the same line of work. People often idolise them more than what they're supposed to represent, they refrain from talking about the true origins of their doctrines, they want your money, and often don't even believe their own words as the whole thing is more often just a profit charade. Both spew cleverly arranged "sermons" that make you forgo reason for a heightened emotional response that ensures your unquestioning devotion to them and their version of reality.

Our political systems today are too defective and chaotic to genuinely embrace the idea of liberty and equality. Personally, I think they were designed that way. Everything needs to be radically revised, but that's a discussion for a time and place that isn't here. One of the biggest things to go, though, is the attempts to base policy (even loosely) on religious belief. I'm not saying that religion as a whole is a bad thing, but religions that are self-righteous are a bane to social equality. The Gnostic path of Christianity has always been far more inclusive, but that was stamped into the dust by the hardcore monotheistic kings and conquerors who shaped what Christianity is today. That has allowed people like this guy from Arizona to surface as a pastor with such hostile views. As others have already said, I'm pretty sure Jesus (if he existed) would not behave this way.

Judge not lest ye be judged.

And what about John 8:10-11? He who has not sinned, cast the first stone.

Jesus stood up and said to her, "Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?"
She said, "No one, Lord." And Jesus said, "Neither do I condemn you; go, and from now on sin no more."


These preachers obsess way too much on the old laws of Leviticus which only applied to the people at that time, and not as some kind of "moral" guideline. The Bible is a collection of poetry, parable, personal experiences and observations, and highly metaphorical accounts of ancient history. It is NOT a manual of morality or of holy living. Yes, it has a lot of insight and philosophical merit, but should not be the ultimate go-to source for spiritual guidance.

Let it be one holy book among many, and allow true spiritual revelation to come from your own direct connection with God, whether you consider that the God of Abraham, the God/Goddess of paganism, "The Universe" or whatever. That's where we all find the truth, anyway. We know what is right intuitively. Whoever doesn't has no spirituality at all.
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Allyda

Quote from: Eva Marie on December 04, 2014, 09:06:26 AM
A man of the cloth advocating for the genocide of a minority class of people for any reason is abhorrent and repugnant. He has clearly lost sight of who Jesus was and what he stood for. Also I find it odd (and perhaps a bit self serving) that this guy is cherry picking verses from writings that were aimed and directed at the special duties of the Levites - writings that mainly concerned the service of worship at the Jewish tabernacle - and applying them to modern day Christians.

Where is his compassion?
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JulieM

Maybe I'm off base, but I love to see outrageous stuff like this. This kind of thing, in the minds of the majority of reasonable people, completely discredits LGBT opposition. As in "Yikes! Haven't thought much about it, but this guy's obviously batsh*t crazy and we don't need that kind of terrorist crap over here. Maybe those LGBT folks really do have a problem." With this out on the forever-net he'll never again be taken seriously about anything--something about advocating genocide tends to discredit one's rationality, not to mention any professions of being a good Christian and loving his fellow man. And he damn well better hope that one of his flock doesn't whack out and take action.

I know that photo of Cathy Brennan and her paper doll is priceless in any argument about feminist trans-misogyny. Or the whole wingnut "good rape" vs. "bad rape" deal--again, priceless when exchanging thoughts with Limbaugh-"libertarians".

It's kind of interesting watching the migration of reasonable people over to the LGBT rights side--leaving the shrill extremists and intellectually-challenged dregs.
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awilliams1701

Fortunately in the case of my sister who has rejected me and forced me to cut her off for now, I suspect your right. However there will be plenty of cultists that will flock to this jerk. I would suspect 95% of homophobes probably think this guy went to far, but the other 5% will love him for this.
Ashley
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suzifrommd

Quote from: JulieM on December 05, 2014, 01:00:06 PM
Maybe I'm off base, but I love to see outrageous stuff like this.

There are a shockingly large number of people in the U.S. who would like to see LGBT people killed. If even one tenth of one percent decided that they would follow this guy's word and hope God would protect them from the consequences, that would be an army of 300,000 people out to slaughter us.

Think about the most psychotic person you know. Multiply that by hundreds of thousands and imagine them coming after YOU.

Still love to see this?
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Jill F

Methinks he doth protest too much.   Fifty bucks says he's no stranger to the glory hole and turns into Tappy McWidestance in the stalls.   Seriously, why is it the most vocally homophobic people I've ever known turned out to be gay or bi themselves?

And why is it that lesbians can't ever get equal hate time?  So. Not. Fair.




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awilliams1701

I just saw a study that both men and women (gay or straight) have no trouble finding women attractive even if they would never act on it. The same study showed that both men and women (gay or straight) were far less likely to find men attractive. That's why lesbians are accepted. Homophobes see gay men as just gross, but they see lesbians as super attractive and if they are a hetero male, they want in on it.
Ashley
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Miss_Bungle1991

Any schmuck that wants to take me out, I say bring it. You won't make it past the doorway.
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Jill F

Quote from: Laura Squirrel on December 05, 2014, 04:20:23 PM
Any schmuck that wants to take me out, I say bring it. You won't make it past the doorway.

Bubonic plague is a b*tch, isn't it?
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Alexis2107

I think this guy is really full of sh_t.  He is no where NEAR being a true Christian.  If HE is the example of a Christian, then I want NOTHING to do with it.  Fortunately, he is one of satan's minions and the God I believe in loves all of us.  He understands us, He is there for us, He made us.  When this minion of the devil's at the pearly gates trying to break in to heaven, God is going to ask him 'why did you preach to murder my children?'.  When he stands there with his mouth open, nothing to say, unable to respond... he'll go where he belongs.  I honestly hope God gives this man a second chance, reincarnation.  But this time, place him as a turkey on a turkey farm near Thanksgiving day xD
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