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Hi.

Has no meaning at all to my friends or those who i interact with over 1500 people and with in our groups  as i never changed from male to female or female to male the context wont work ,

and being well known allso means my history is well known because they know how i  was born , so did i change or how did i change,I have grown into a woman as  most females do  with in the boundrys of what it is to be an intersexed female .it works for some of us and has for myself .

...noeleena...

I absolutely loathe the term "transgender" or "transsexual" and only use those terms for clarification purposes. I also understand that it is an ascribed status I can never escape, but that does not mean I have to like it. Furthermore, subjectively, I am not a transgender or a transsexual; what I am is a woman so using those terms in reference to me has no real purpose outside of trying to clarify my birth defects to ignorant people. I was born a girl that required surgical and hormonal interjection to correct my birth defects...nothing more.

If you voted absolutely not then why are you here. Because whether you admit it or not, no matter if you like it or don't; you are Transgender. You cross the gender boundries. Transgender: an inclusive umbrella term which covers anyone who transcends their birth gender for any reason. This includes but is not limited to Androgynes, Crossdressers, Drag kings, Drag queens, Intersexuals, Transsexuals, and ->-bleeped-<-s.

Quote from: Susan on December 17, 2014, 04:49:40 AM
Because whether you admit it or not, no matter if you like it or don't; you are Transgender. You cross the gender boundries. Transgender: an inclusive umbrella term which covers anyone who transcends their birth gender for any reason.

This is pretty much the way I see myself, which is why I don't object to the term "transgender".  I see it as a term for someone like me who "crosses the gender boundaries", who is "gender non-conforming" in some way.  I don't see crossing the gender boundaries as a negative thing.  It's simply my nature.  So when I use the term, that's what I mean by it.  I do find it handy to have a name for what I am, even though that name often requires a lot of explaining to people who don't know anything about "gender non-conforming" people.

I know the term 'transsexual' is disliked by a lot of people but I do think that best describes what I am (besides 'woman').  It is a medical term, and it is the term I grew up reading - as such I am not offended by it.  I am also 'transgender' though of course.    In the same sort of vein, I'm a primate, but I'm also member of the species homo sapiens! :-)  I'm sure there's a disanalogy there somewhere, but oh well.

I see myself as transgender first, having presented male for over 50 years and preferring to present as female. Ultimately I am neither male nor female and yet both. For me, the only reason to do otherwise is shame and fear and I reject both of those. That being said, I don't go around wearing a sign saying I'm bisexual, either. I freely admit I'm transgender when appropriate, but otherwise mind my own business.

Quote from: theadanielle on December 17, 2014, 07:04:16 AM
   In the same sort of vein, I'm a primate, but I'm also member of the species homo sapiens! :-)

Me, too!!!  And I thought I was the only one!!  All my life I've felt like such a freak.  I didn't know there was somebody else out there just like me.

actually I prefer the term pre op bi-trans MTF hominid (POBTMTFH)

Quote from: Susan on December 17, 2014, 04:49:40 AM
If you voted absolutely not then why are you here. Because whether you admit it or not, no matter if you like it or don't; you are Transgender. You cross the gender boundries. Transgender: an inclusive umbrella term which covers anyone who transcends their birth gender for any reason. This includes but is not limited to Androgynes, Crossdressers, Drag kings, Drag queens, Intersexuals, Transsexuals, and ->-bleeped-<-s.

Like I said, it's an ascribed status one can never escape from irrespective if the person likes it or not. The fact that I am a transsexual will continue to haunt me like death. However, I am free to dislike the terminology and despise having it used towards me. Furthermore, I am here to engage in random conversation about transsexual related issues.

I have been transgender since before I was born and I will be transgender until the day I die, whether I like it or not.  My brain is essentially female and my body is finally a work in progress.  Because I am now changing my body to align with my brain, I am also a transsexual.  I am not ashamed of it, nor do I really care what any individual thinks of me because I took charge of my own life instead of letting myself die slowly.  Society in general may currently have a problem with transgender people, but I am here to help fix this problem by showing everyone that I am just a regular human being who is doing her best to deal with the challenges she was dealt and succeeding.  People's minds can change, and if I can serve as a rectocranial extractor for some of them, all the better.   

I am transgender.  I am transsexual.  I am a woman.  If you have a problem with that, tough.  You don't get to come to my party.

I do not really like it for me , to me its a shortcut to say i was born in the wrong body , or issues realted to it , and i prefer the long way in general if i m to talk of it , and i dont really like this word to put on me , i prefer some others , i prefer girl or woman  , or other stuff.

Quote from: Jill F on December 17, 2014, 08:50:41 PM
I have been transgender since before I was born and I will be transgender until the day I die, whether I like it or not.  My brain is essentially female and my body is finally a work in progress.  Because I am now changing my body to align with my brain, I am also a transsexual.  I am not ashamed of it, nor do I really care what any individual thinks of me because I took charge of my own life instead of letting myself die slowly.  Society in general may currently have a problem with transgender people, but I am here to help fix this problem by showing everyone that I am just a regular human being who is doing her best to deal with the challenges she was dealt and succeeding.  People's minds can change, and if I can serve as a rectocranial extractor for some of them, all the better.   

I am transgender.  I am transsexual.  I am a woman.  If you have a problem with that, tough.  You don't get to come to my party.

Clear, declarative and, as always, funny!  Thanks Jill, you rock!

Quote from: Tessa James on December 17, 2014, 10:33:39 PM
Clear, declarative and, as always, funny!  Thanks Jill, you rock!

Thank you, Tessa.  You totally rock too. 

I use the term only because it's less a mouthful than "Incorrectly Assigned Male at Birth" and because Intersexed tends to be met with blank looks. "Transgender" is a known variable to a lot of people and term by which we're becoming more visible so I'll use it as I need to.

Joanna Dark has been removed from the site under the no more games policy. If you do not like it here you should leave. Her post made it quite clear she did not want to be here any longer.

She seemed to take offense that Intersexual was included in the transgender Umbrella Term. She feels that the proper term is intersex which is indeed the proper term for the condition; but the proper term for one who is intersex is intersexual. I guess she feels that anything that has the word sexual on the end is somehow dirty and tawdry. Here is the definition of the term.

QuoteIntersexual

    in·ter·sex·u·al
    ˌin(t)ərˈsekSH(əw)əl/
    adjective
    adjective: intersexual; adjective: inter-sexual
        1.
        existing or occurring between the sexes.
        "intersexual selection, or mate choice, was, to Darwin, the job of females"
        2.
        relating to or having the condition of being intermediate between male and female.

As you can see there's nothing dirty going on.

That's the only point in her screed that I feel warrants a response.

Let me make it quite clear your (Generic) continued use of this web site requires that while here you accept the terms as defined and stated in the standard terms and definition post in the site policy section of this web site. You can disagree with the terms all you like, off of my site. If you do it on my site I will remove your access to it.

We didn't start out with terms and definitions, we created them to put an end to exclusionists who advocated the separation or exclusion of one or more group from under the Transgender umbrella term, and those who suggested or claimed that one segment or sub-segment of our community is more or less legitimate, deserving, or real than any others.

I will enforce that on this site.

Quote from: Susan on December 18, 2014, 10:52:08 AM
Joanna Dark has been removed from the site under the no more games policy. If you do not like it here you should leave. Her post made it quite clear she did not want to be here any longer.

What?? May I ask what happened?

Edit: also I would like to ask where we can view and read policy. It is not very transparent. I mean no offense though.

I'm also curious about the "no more games" policy. I don't see it in TOS and a site search shows up nothing. Additionally I don't understand what game was being played. Is this something to do with Minecraft?

Quote from: cathyrains on December 18, 2014, 11:04:13 AM
I'm also curious about the "no more games" policy. I don't see it in TOS and a site search shows up nothing. Additionally I don't understand what game was being played. Is this something to do with Minecraft?

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Quote from: Susan on December 17, 2014, 04:49:40 AM
If you voted absolutely not then why are you here.

I do not like the term transgender either, but I bob in and out of this site to answer people's questions about specific areas of which I have knowledge.

Quote from: Susan on December 17, 2014, 04:49:40 AM
Because whether you admit it or not, no matter if you like it or don't; you are Transgender. You cross the gender boundries. Transgender: an inclusive umbrella term which covers anyone who transcends their birth gender for any reason. This includes but is not limited to Androgynes, Crossdressers, Drag kings, Drag queens, Intersexuals, Transsexuals, and ->-bleeped-<-s.

I understand the definition, but it does not describe how I view myself. My lack of identification with it has nothing to do on whether I can help others or not.