Quote from: lisagurl on October 18, 2007, 11:23:22 AM
purpose of education is not to make money but to live a full valued  life.

And to make $$$

Posted on: October 22, 2007, 02:10:54 PM

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Quote from: RAVENX on October 20, 2007, 12:34:04 AM
yeah... i cant do exersizes or i build my thighs and arms to something unusual... i stick with crunches for now. i seriously need a m2f exersize book that makes the perfect body without all the plastics and saline.

Ha, no you're just paranoid.  I have high T levels and can still workout without getting a bulging figure, and that includes upper body.
There's nothing wrong with big thighs.  If anything, they're great.  I love working my legs to be built larger, proportionatly, than the rest of my body because it balances it out to more lower body than upper, which means less masculine figure.
Besides, it's the only thing I've got going for me.  My tiny bench press is embarassing, but my 315 squat drops jaws:-p
Crunches are probably the worst exercise to do as far as working on your form.  They not only work the rectus abdominis(the middle of the abs) but also the obliques(sides) which means those will bulk, adding inches to your waist and detracting from your wait to hip ratio.

Posted on: October 22, 2007, 02:14:02 PM

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Quote from: shanetastic on October 20, 2007, 02:19:24 AM
oh gosh Kalt, you must be on of those intense type of people at the gym where you stare and laugh at us people who know nothing

No, not at all.
Everyone starts from somewhere, therefore everyone merits the same amount of patience and dedication.

Okay I'll trust you Kalt

P.S. How is your intense exercise thing going to lose your muscle mass?

Quote from: Rachael on October 20, 2007, 08:44:54 AM

* Rachael doesnt do protein shakes, doesnt do lykra, doesnt do silly 'ragimes' designed by others.

i do wish to tone my body, i dont care if i loose strenght (already have) as long as i can still play combat sports, im happy.
'm2f' specific exesise ragimes simply segregate us futher, are you telling me an extersise ragime developed by a non trans person wont work for me? am i that alien?

R

Yes, I'm telling you that if you follow an exercise routine designed for females, specifically for females conditioning for combat sports, you won't enjoy your results as much as you would for a program for someone in your phsyical disposition.
Furthermore, there is no such thing as, "toning."
Once again, that's just a myth spread around by uneducated fitness, "professionals" looking for quick bucks.
Anyone with a few years in college with knowledge of how the muscles actually work down to a chemical level(actin-myosin filament theory, creatin phosphagen system, anaerobic glycemic index, etc...) can casually inform you with 100% certainty that muscles cannot be toned.

Posted on: October 22, 2007, 02:19:49 PM

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Quote from: shanetastic on October 21, 2007, 04:05:42 AM

Quote from: Rachael on October 20, 2007, 08:44:54 AM

* Rachael doesnt do protein shakes, doesnt do lykra, doesnt do silly 'ragimes' designed by others.

i do wish to tone my body, i dont care if i loose strenght (already have) as long as i can still play combat sports, im happy.
'm2f' specific exesise ragimes simply segregate us futher, are you telling me an extersise ragime developed by a non trans person wont work for me? am i that alien?

R

Just maybe if there were to be a "mtf exercise" thing, that it might work better or more efficiently.

There is.
Er, there will be.
Get to my blog^_^
And someone friggin gimme some reps, this is disgusting me!

Posted on: October 22, 2007, 02:20:40 PM

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Quote from: Rachael on October 21, 2007, 04:22:20 AM
how are we physiologically different to non trans people?

Bone structure.
We have male bones and are seeking a feminine form.
The only two major things that shape us between our bones and outside figure are muscles and fat.
Therefore, it takes a little more than just general programming to get potent results.

Posted on: October 22, 2007, 02:22:03 PM

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Quote from: shanetastic on October 22, 2007, 01:18:00 PM
Okay I'll trust you Kalt

Yes, it's nice when people trust the experts^_^

The thingy to lose muscle is going quite well.
My kick actually sped up to 89MPH from 72.  That's an incredible difference in force.
Losing a lot of muscle, seem to be about as strong though.  I'm at the point that if I picked up where I left off, I'd be as strong and big as I was just a few months ago.

not necesrily kalt, the younger you start hrt, the greater chance of bone structure change, upto 24m, but most effective upto 21-22, and depending on what your puberty state is.
Im intersexed as it is, and since starting hrt, my hip bones have widened, not fat, bone, definate bone, im not a necesrily large or masculinely shaped person. and ive had no trouble so far looking physically female in my bodyshape. as this is a youth topic, ya might wanna consider that as a factor. age of transition, and need for a male physiology female shape program...
R

Quote from: Rachael on October 22, 2007, 01:26:14 PM
not necesrily kalt, the younger you start hrt, the greater chance of bone structure change, upto 24m, but most effective upto 21-22, and depending on what your puberty state is.
Im intersexed as it is, and since starting hrt, my hip bones have widened, not fat, bone, definate bone, im not a necesrily large or masculinely shaped person. and ive had no trouble so far looking physically female in my bodyshape. as this is a youth topic, ya might wanna consider that as a factor. age of transition, and need for a male physiology female shape program...
R

Using an intersexed individual in a case study concerning the effects of hormones on non-intersexed individuals is not acceptable, silly.
Furthermore, it's been made clear by almost all health professionals in the transsexual care department that hormones rarely effect bone structure after purberty has hit at all.
Basicly, if you start HRT after 14, don't look for drastic changes.

Quote from: Rachael on October 22, 2007, 01:26:14 PM
not necesrily kalt, the younger you start hrt, the greater chance of bone structure change, upto 24m, but most effective upto 21-22, and depending on what your puberty state is.
Im intersexed as it is, and since starting hrt, my hip bones have widened, not fat, bone, definate bone, im not a necesrily large or masculinely shaped person. and ive had no trouble so far looking physically female in my bodyshape. as this is a youth topic, ya might wanna consider that as a factor. age of transition, and need for a male physiology female shape program...
R

Don't get me wrong I'm no expert by ANY means.  But I thought if you weren't intersexed, your bone structure can't change.  And your bones normally develop by the time your 20 fully (some being earlier than others), with exception to the collar bone.  I do know that for sure, hehe.  On any note, I'm not challenging the whole idea of your hip bone widening since you are indeed intersexed, but for regular MTF people, I thought that it couldn't change except for the whole fat redistribution.

uh, its nothing to do with puberty, its physical human growth hormone levels in the body (high to 24) and the endocrineal distrobution of that around the body in sex specific areas of growth
also the 14 thing is BS, i know many 18yos upto 25 who have had massive change. not all puberties are in the early teens, even for non IS folk
and i said what i described has happened in others, not just me.
R

Quote from: Rachael on October 22, 2007, 01:30:45 PM
uh, its nothing to do with puberty, its physical human growth hormone levels in the body (high to 24) and the endocrineal distrobution of that around the body in sex specific areas of growth
also the 14 thing is BS, i know many 18yos upto 25 who have had massive change. not all puberties are in the early teens, even for non IS folk
and i said what i described has happened in others, not just me.
R

Yeah, but depending on your hormonal distribution really effects the length in which the bones grow.  Of course, some experience puberty later than others, that's for sure, but it still tops off at the age of 25, when the last bone matures (proven to be the collar bone).  I'm just wondering, are you sure it's bones that are changing, or is it fat or something else?  I'm not really trying to challenge, was just stating the physical concepts of anthropology in humans.  Of course, it isn't the exact same for everyone I understand, but is there a chance it could be something else?

no, like i said, its bone, my hips arent very fatty, and they have widened, the actual wings of the hip bone have broadened, and as silly as it sounds, the gap between my legs which wasnt there once, is there now... ive gone from 34-38 in the hip dept and when i wear tac gear for sports, i can literally sit my beltkit on top of my hips with no needs for a yoke... its geat
R

Quote from: Rachael on October 22, 2007, 01:38:24 PM
no, like i said, its bone, my hips arent very fatty, and they have widened, the actual wings of the hip bone have broadened, and as silly as it sounds, the gap between my legs which wasnt there once, is there now... ive gone from 34-38 in the hip dept and when i wear tac gear for sports, i can literally sit my beltkit on top of my hips with no needs for a yoke... its geat
R

Haha, then it looks like a case of something that happened then   Sure it doesn't happen that often, but I guess your just a lucky person then   And dang 38   I'm a skinny person and my hips are barely making 35.  I would be happy if I could get around yours, then it would actually look like I have some curves haha.

Quote from: Rachael on October 22, 2007, 01:30:45 PM
uh, its nothing to do with puberty, its physical human growth hormone levels in the body (high to 24) and the endocrineal distrobution of that around the body in sex specific areas of growth

Nothing to do with puberty?
Okay then, let's step this up.  Support what you're saying.
Now please cite the material you're using to support that puberty has nothing to do with the fluctuations of Human Growth Hormone.
According to Human Growth and Development Through the Life Span by Laura I. Berk, page 363, you're incorrect.
According to Human Growth: A comprehensive Treatise by William A. Marshall, page 171-200, you're incorrect.
According to Anatomy and Physiology, by M. Hudson, page 209, you're incorrect.

I'll be waiting:-)

Quotealso the 14 thing is BS

Please look above for evidence to the contrary

Quotei know many 18yos upto 25 who have had massive change. not all puberties are in the early teens, even for non IS folk

Please prove that your personal experience accurately represents the overwhelming majority of the population, or is even close to the norm.

So I just now came accross this thread and thought I'd join in. I just turned 20, and currently live as male. *sigh* although I long for the courage to come out to my dad..(that's who I currently live with) So I really haven't even started to transition, it's just something I think about every minute, of every day of my entire life. I just totally lack the courage to do anything about it. I hate it. Sometimes it just makes me sick, it's like I have this huge shadow following me everywhere I go, that noone knows what it is, or about. I'd like to make some friends that are along in their transition and willing to I guess help me out with advice, ect?

Thanks for reading this, I look forward to hearing back from someone

Hi Monica hun, welcome to Susan's. I think you will find a lot of the answers you seek here but many of the answers are already within you and there are many folks here that may be able to awaken this knowledge.

Cindy

Quote from: monica on October 22, 2007, 08:50:15 PM
So I just now came accross this thread and thought I'd join in. I just turned 20, and currently live as male. *sigh* although I long for the courage to come out to my dad..(that's who I currently live with) So I really haven't even started to transition, it's just something I think about every minute, of every day of my entire life. I just totally lack the courage to do anything about it. I hate it. Sometimes it just makes me sick, it's like I have this huge shadow following me everywhere I go, that noone knows what it is, or about. I'd like to make some friends that are along in their transition and willing to I guess help me out with advice, ect?

Thanks for reading this, I look forward to hearing back from someone

Hey, what's up?!!!
So anyways, MtF, FtM, or just something random?
Planning on therapy, what sage of therapy?  Meh?

Quote from: monica on October 22, 2007, 08:50:15 PM
So I just now came accross this thread and thought I'd join in. I just turned 20, and currently live as male. *sigh* although I long for the courage to come out to my dad..(that's who I currently live with) So I really haven't even started to transition, it's just something I think about every minute, of every day of my entire life. I just totally lack the courage to do anything about it. I hate it. Sometimes it just makes me sick, it's like I have this huge shadow following me everywhere I go, that noone knows what it is, or about. I'd like to make some friends that are along in their transition and willing to I guess help me out with advice, ect?

Thanks for reading this, I look forward to hearing back from someone

Hey monica, welcome and I hope you find all of us here a support for you.

Anyways though, ultimately if you want to go into this any further the start is therapy or coming out, so I hope you consider this sometime.  If your not ready to come out maybe you could seek therapy to help sort through your emotions.

I'm MtF, and I haven't started therapy yet...I'm not financially stable enough at this point in time. I'm working on getting some insurance to see if that will help with the cost. On top of that I'm starting to save up for it so I can afford atleast a session or two a month. Anything would be great, as long as I have a person to talk about this too about all theese emotions would be super awesome..For now though, nothing..just thoughts, and hopes =/

therapy can help, but isnt always needed... heck, ive not seen one yet (<3 nhs) but im sane *wibble*
R

Quote from: Rachael on October 23, 2007, 05:18:37 AM
therapy can help, but isnt always needed... heck, ive not seen one yet (<3 nhs) but im sane *wibble*
R

I think the whole process can be bogged down with Therapy rather than physical help or treatment. The U.K's NHS system is guity of this and their long term 'Stalling' effect on the young transitioners is devistating and damaging..

Quote from: Rachael on October 23, 2007, 05:18:37 AM
therapy can help, but isnt always needed... heck, ive not seen one yet (<3 nhs) but im sane *wibble*
R

But you're special.
seriously, it's getting kind of annoying when an intersexed person keeps using herself as an example in the MtF community>.>
But anyways, when're you putting up a new avy pic?  I love the curves on the one you've got and all... but if you have more where it came from don't hesitate to share!^_^

therapy isnt always needed, weather im IS or not, hey, technically, i might need MORE counceling? thought of that?
born mixed gender, corrected to male, punished for femininity and raised male in an all boys school for 16 years... youd think id be nuts?
NOT EVERY TRANSITIONING PERSON is unsure of thier gender, a LOT are positive, and just go through therapy as a step that must be done...
when im sobbing my eyes out over that thing between my legs, dont you DARE tell me im not m2f.... i have the SAME crap to deal with, and it hurts JUST as bloody much... so dont you dare tell me i cant speak for the m2f community...
R



(and i like this avitar)