I had FFS with Dr. Z recently and may I say his work was outstanding, both in terms of 'realistically' assessing the work he did, but also because he created a VERY significant change without any significant flaws. 

That having been said, and this is no fault of Dr. Z's but rather my own for not trusting my intuition to forgo chin work (nor was I pressured into it by Dr. Z, I just naively felt that it may help contribute to a greater overall femininity - Dr. Z and I both agreed that my jaw shouldn't be touched)...

...but I miss my chin. I miss my "large, square" lower face. A lot actually.

I realize now it really wasn't necessary at all. I actually don't believe there is any such thing as a "masculine" lower face, even in extreme examples. I think a woman's upper face/forehead/eyes/nose/mouth etc. are all far more distinctly feminine gender markers. If you look at Angelina Jolie, Evangeline Lilly, Lana Del Rey (three unquestionably gorgeous women!) they ALL have significantly larger faces than most males in the world today. (Long gone, it would appear, are the days of the Jon Erik Hexum jawline; R.I.P. J.E.H.)

I HAD that beautiful, large lower face. Yes, my lower-face is more feminine now and I look more like I have a female child's lower-face than an adult larger-than-female-average lower-face. I would 100% recommend Dr. Z's work to anyone who is unsatisfied with the size/appearance of their chin - I was not expecting such a drastic result with what I had perceived as less-consequential endoscopic bone contouring, but I was mistaken. At first pleasantly, but with time, I have begun to long for my chin/lower-face as it once was.

The chin reduction creates such a dramatic aesthetic effect in terms of the overall size of the lower-face that it almost appears as though I did have jaw contouring as well! Again, I would highly-recommend chin work (especially with Dr. Z) for anyone whom genuinely LOATHES their lower-face size (I did not loathe mine at all - I just figured it would somehow increase my overall femininity, which it objectively did) but if you're on the fence about it, and you like the general 'outline'/dimensions of your face, don't alter the area that SURROUNDS the face, alter the areas WITHIN the face - these are truly the areas that are distinctly feminine or masculine - in my experience/opinion.

If this was helpful to anyone, would you mind offering any suggestions as to how I may achieve the former dimensions of my lower face without 'masculinizing' it beyond what it was before? If so, it would really help. It's a sad thing to spend a decent chunk of $ on a procedure you not only *could* have gone without but ultimately discovered you wish you had gone without.

I can relate to what you are going through, me its my old jaw that I miss, wish I would of listen to my little voice in my head not to do it

Do not worry! You have a couple of options, a chin implant or chin filler. Both done under local anaesthetic. However you should play it safe and go with chin filler.. Easily reversible, and not too expensive, you could get in in a couple days if you wanted!

Look at michelle phan before and afters, she had a round lower face then got botox in her jaw to slim that area and then filler to make her chin larger. It's quite amazing how better looking she is.

However...... Males have a longer 2/3rds of there face compared to females, whilst you might prefer a certain feature it may not make you more attractive over all. Ffs is all in millimetres. So bare that in mind! But chin filler is pretty simple. Hope iv helped.

Quote from: Chelsea0808 on December 21, 2014, 10:58:58 AM
Do not worry! You have a couple of options, a chin implant or chin filler. Both done under local anaesthetic. However you should play it safe and go with chin filler.. Easily reversible, and not too expensive, you could get in in a couple days if you wanted!

Look at michelle phan before and afters, she had a round lower face then got botox in her jaw to slim that area and then filler to make her chin larger. It's quite amazing how better looking she is.

However...... Males have a longer 2/3rds of there face compared to females, whilst you might prefer a certain feature it may not make you more attractive over all. Ffs is all in millimetres. So bare that in mind! But chin filler is pretty simple. Hope iv helped.

Thanks so much, Chelsea! That is indeed very helpful and informative.

I looked up the 'Michelle Phan' photos and wow! She did indeed achieve quite a change! I'm actually determined that the 'ideal' look for my lower-face is somewhere between pre and post-FFS. Sometimes I think pre-FFS was perfect, others I think "well... it was slightly more masculine than it should have been, and therefore post-chin-reduction is a slight improvement", then there are times when I wonder if I should have done it the opposite way - jaw contouring but keep the chin. Who damn knows. Maybe I'll do what Michelle did and get the botox in the jaw (which I've heard about) and then get a chin implant or filler, a per your suggestion.

It's not at all that I care whether the lower face is masculine or feminine, I just sort of felt that I was more beautiful, even by conventional standards, with a 'squarer' lower-face. Now when I see beautiful women on television or elsewhere with large, square lower-faces, I think to myself, "damn! you screwed yourself out of that God-given asset" and it makes me depressed.

The thing that depresses me the most, however, is that when I deliberately "tighten" the skin on my lower-face now, my face looks CREEPILY small. I think before I had a rather small head with a big lower-face, and now I have a REALLY small face with big features! I have large eyes, high cheek bones, prominent cheeks, a tall forehead, and all of that on this tiny face. It's an unusual look, feminine indeed but one I'm not 100% sure how I feel about.

It's nice to know I can test the waters with the options you mentioned to see what can achieve that "perfect" balance.

Do you know there are times when I miss my old face which was very feminine anyway except the brow bossing.

BUT I also like my new face that Dr Z gave me (apart from the revisions that needed to be done).

The only work that Dr Z did on me was my forehead, a scalp advance, secondary rhinoplasty, upper lip lift and alarpasty plus the usual fat to the temples, nasolabial folds and lips.

I was born lucky with a good chin and high cheek bones ( thanks Mum & Dad )

But as I said to Mr Eccles the other week, I have a love/hate relationship with my face.

He thinks that Dr Z is an excellent surgeon and I have had a good result overall.

This you may find ( like me ) will remain with you for life or you may just get used to it.

I think one of the reasons my late brother did not want to know me after my ZFFS was becaue I had changed my appearance too much. There are some people who knew a person before transition or even after who feel that they should not have had any surgery whatsoever, as God or nature gave you what you have.

This is all bullcrap as we all know. But they are entitled to their own narrow minded opinions.

whunder_stix, what other work did Dr. Z do on you and were you please with it?

Quote from: Melissa_fox on December 22, 2014, 11:26:22 AM
whunder_stix, what other work did Dr. Z do on you and were you please with it?

Dr. Z did forehead contouring, brow-lift, rhinoplasty/septoplasty, chin contouring, tracheal shave, and fat transfers. Yes, I am phenomenally pleased. I cannot actually believe how much prettier he made me. Looking at old photos/videos of myself recorded on webcam weeks before surgery under the same lighting, in the same room, etc., compared to videos under the same settings now, unbelievable the difference.

I struggle with certain areas due to the swelling, but I'm only a little over 2 months post-op so I'm just gonna deal with it.

Quote from: whunder_stix on December 22, 2014, 12:23:32 PM
Dr. Z did forehead contouring, brow-lift, rhinoplasty/septoplasty, chin contouring, tracheal shave, and fat transfers. Yes, I am phenomenally pleased. I cannot actually believe how much prettier he made me. Looking at old photos/videos of myself recorded on webcam weeks before surgery under the same lighting, in the same room, etc., compared to videos under the same settings now, unbelievable the difference.

I struggle with certain areas due to the swelling, but I'm only a little over 2 months post-op so I'm just gonna deal with it.

Whunder_styx Whunder Styx, please post some before and after pictures to see the wonderful work Dr Z did?