Hi All

I am 45 years old male and here is my plan

Step 1
I will get Orchiectomy and see what level of feminization I get. if I am not satisfied then will go to step 2.

step 2
Will use Finasteride for six to 12 months to kill any remaining DHT. Now the issue is I am a little bit scared of Finasteride side effects,after reading it's permanent side effects after stopping it. These sides effects include

Joint pain
muscle pain
osteoporosis
vision problem
insomnia
panic attacks
depression
suicidal thoughts
etc etc

Now I need advice from experienced guys here. Is it possible that I can still get these side effects after removing my testicles? Because I am thinking Finasteride affect only guys with testicles, and these side effects are due to damage to testicles.But in my case there are no testicles so there will be no side effects after stopping it. Am I right? please give your thoughts.

thanks

Well, you really should have testosterone or estrogen in your system.  Not having either is bad for you.

Also, if you remove your testicles, there is no need for Fin as you will have zero testosterone to convert into DHT.

You might get some feminine attributes with the removal of testosterone by itself, but I would highly recommend adding estrogen into the system after you snip snip.   

Quote from: sp2000 on December 28, 2014, 09:07:39 PM
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These sides effects include

Joint pain
muscle pain
osteoporosis
vision problem
insomnia
panic attacks
depression
suicidal thoughts
etc etc

Now I need advice from experienced guys here......

If your on HRT, (with Estrogen) you are most likely not going to experience those side effects as most of those are cause by drops in Testosterone levels specifically the DHT variety that is the strongest, most potent part of Testosterone. As long as you have Estrogen to replace the Testosterone, you'll be fine. During the switch from a testosterone based body to an estrogen based body, you'll experience a mild but brief  version of joint and muscle pain and some weakness feeling (kind of feeling like you coming down with the flu.) It only last a week or two at most and is very mild.

I would check with your prescribing doctor on if its the right choice after a orchie.

Frankly, that's the most hare-brained scheme for feminisation that I've ever seen.

Simply removing your testes will not cause any major feminisation, all it will do is drop your T levels. This may cause issues with the adrenal gland going in to overdrive in an effort to 'correct' this drop. Taking a 5α-reductase inhibitor, such as finasteride, will likely do nothing but give you side effects. With little T to convert to DHT, it's essentially a waste of time and money.

A continued lack of any kind of sex hormone, be it either T or E, will lead to osteoporosis. Don't mess around with hormones, they have the capacity to kill you - or worse, leave you severely disabled.. Go talk to a doctor who knows what they are doing, as the plan you've presented is not smart or safe.

Oh, and just an aside.. I'm not a guy..

thanks everybody for your suggestions.
I am having baldness already I want to save my hair at any cost. I also want to use minimum amount of hormones. Don't you think Fin will give me both effects at the same time? I just want to make sure I will not regret my fin use later.

Quote from: sp2000 on December 29, 2014, 05:39:31 PM
thanks everybody for your suggestions.
I am having baldness already I want to save my hair at any cost. I also want to use minimum amount of hormones. Don't you think Fin will give me both effects at the same time? I just want to make sure I will not regret my fin use later.

So what are you actually looking for? Feminisation or reduction in hair loss? They really are different aims. Minimal hormones is the general idea behind most HRT regimens.

No/low testosterone alone will not cause any real kind of feminisation..

Your doctor should be consulted. The doc may prescribe finasteride or dutasteride. Dutasteride will remove more DHT but stays in your system a long time after stopping.

Without gonads you will still produce T.

Spironolactone and estrogen will cause feminization and take T to below female ranges if done by a professional and you respond well.

Removal of your gonads will result in scrotal tissue shrinkage and GCS will need skin graphs.

If you are trans and start to transition on low dose hormones you may find you like it, accept who you are, then fully transition.

kelly_aus
I am looking for both. If you google about Finasteride you will find that  people claim

1-Fin reduce hair loss regrow hair
2-Fin causes feminization to a lot of males

but you will also notice it does cause side effects too for years after stopping it.
I want to know if Fin will leave any permanent side to me in the absence of my testicles. I am thinking I will reap maximum benefits without any side effects.

Quote from: sp2000 on December 29, 2014, 08:30:22 PM
kelly_aus
I am looking for both. If you google about Finasteride you will find that  people claim

1-Fin reduce hair loss regrow hair
2-Fin causes feminization to a lot of males

but you will also notice it does cause side effects too for years after stopping it.
I want to know if Fin will leave any permanent side to me in the absence of my testicles. I am thinking I will reap maximum benefits without any side effects.

Anecdotal claims are just that.. Anecdotal. What amount of feminisation do you really think it's going to cause? Estrogen is what causes feminisation, not simply a lack of testosterone. Gynecomastia is not feminisation.

Yes, finasteride can reduce hair loss, one of it's main purposes. If you have no T in your system, however, it's pointless.

But then, your plan seems to ignore that the human body is not designed to run on no sex hormone at all.. And you won't produce enough E or T to prevent osteoporosis.. Your plan is highly flawed and appears to be grasping at straws.. There's a reason hormones are done the way they are.. It's for continued good health of the patient.

Do yourself a favour, talk to a doctor about this.


EDIT: I can only find info from men with their testicles who have had feminisation - which kinda makes sense, excess T will be aromatised to E..  But post-orchiectomy, this will not happen. Also, it all seems to come from either hair loss or body building sites - and who knows what else they are taking..

Quote from: sp2000 on December 29, 2014, 08:30:22 PMbut you will also notice it does cause side effects too for years after stopping it.

Not really.  There's a very vocal - extremely vocal - small minority of guys online who find that after taking finasteride, they struggle sexually.  They're angry, they pretend that they didn't know this was a side effect (despite it being clearly documented), and they go from site to site to site spouting the same ridiculous claims about how dangerous the drug is and how there's a huge conspiracy to cover up these hidden side effects.  Their claims are not representative of the drug, and there's a huge majority of users who are quietly happy with it.  Speak to your doctor about this drug.

Finasteride is proven and relatively safe.  For transgender girls, the side effects are often side benefits.  No medications come without risks, but for the vast majority of people the benefits of finasteride hugely outweigh the downsides.  For hair loss, it's pretty good at what it does.  Worried about losing your ability to get a rock hard erection?  Ok, avoid finasteride, but you risk losing your hair.

The risks of taking finasteride are minimal compared to the risks of an orchiectomy without a plan to adequately rebalance your body's hormones though.

Do you mind me asking what your goal is?  If it's feminization, your scheme sounds ill-conceived.  Have you discussed this plan with a doctor?

put simply this way. I will use finasteride after getting my testicles removed. Will I still get sides? Does not Fin affect only males with testicles?

Quote from: sp2000 on December 30, 2014, 09:47:53 PM
put simply this way. I will use finasteride after getting my testicles removed. Will I still get sides? Does not Fin affect only males with testicles?

There's no point in taking it if you have no testicles. None at all. What part of this is hard to understand?

Fin prevents Testosterone from making DHT

Your testicles are the only reason you have testosterone.  Remove them and you will have none.

Simply put, if you get an orchiectomy, then you have zero (none, nada) use for finesteride and it would be stupid to take it.

I want to use Fin to regrow my hair.
Do you guys know any MTF or FTM who got sides on Fin while their Testicles/ovaries were already removed.

Quote from: Sammie Blade on December 31, 2014, 10:36:24 AM
Your testicles are the only reason you have testosterone.  Remove them and you will have none.

Simply put, if you get an orchiectomy, then you have zero (none, nada) use for finesteride and it would be stupid to take it.

I do not think that is correct. The adrenal gland will still produce a small amount of T, which can be converted to DHT. In people with a severe predisposition to androgenetic alopecia, even the tiniest amount of DHT can be deadly to hair. For that reason, I plan to continue using a 5AR inhibitor as long as there is any hair left on my head, even after I have the unwanted genitalia removed.

Quote from: sp2000 on December 31, 2014, 01:16:28 PM
I want to use Fin to regrow my hair.

Finasteride is not a hair growth agent. Its short-term benefits to hair come from reduced DHT levels, which would be trivial in the short term if you had an orchiectomy, although it might still slow loss in the long term. It is, however, fairly easy to obtain and you should start it ASAP if you are concerned about hair loss. I personally found a decrease in hair detachment within one week. Dutasteride works even better, but it is very expensive.

I'm not understanding the whole "I want to cut my testicles off" part of this equation.  Finasteride is effective at preventing hair loss when your balls are still attached.

What am I missing?  Are there two conversations going on here at the same time?

sp2000, can you explain why you want the orchiectomy?  Is that purely a hair loss issue, or is there a transgender issue going on underneath?  That would really help us understand what's really being asked.

You need to talk with someone, a qualified doctor or someone. Very few guys here!!!! You may have the wrong thread.

Steph34
I am happy you understand that even after removing Testicles there might be DHT in your body.
May I ask if you are already on Fin and have removed your tisticles?If yes to both then how long have been on Fin?
thanks

Yeah, this thread is getting extraordinarily creepy...