Quote from: Seras on January 09, 2015, 07:13:36 PM
lol Sammi

I was hanging out with my sister and her best friend the other day. They told me some of the least ladylike stories you can imagine.

oh god I can only imagine. I've worked with a lot of woman through out the years and some of the stories they tell make you go wtf lol. Some stuff that I as a guy wouldn't even consider. Woman can look so beautiful on the outside yet terribly horrific on the inside

Once I was accepted into the female club, my girl friends started being much more vulgar around me. I think many women tone it down around men.

Quote from: Tori on January 17, 2015, 05:20:52 PM
Once I was accepted into the female club, my girl friends started being much more vulgar around me. I think many women tone it down around men.

This is so true.  The all-ladies dive bar club that I belong to is notorious for quite unladylike behavior!

Quote from: CaptFido87 on January 17, 2015, 04:50:40 PM
Woman can look so beautiful on the outside yet terribly horrific on the inside

Ouch! Could have worded that one a little better.

I have found that to be true with all sides of the gender spectrum- probably has more to do with being a crappy human than anything else.

I know I can attribute these changes to the HRT, because they occurred with the hormonal changes - not with starting therapy or coming out:

1) Faster and deeper emotions. For example, songs are more likely to make me cry, and cry harder. They also do so faster and the bounce up at the end is also faster.
2) My anger and aggression are almost all gone; I no longer stress out over so many little things
3) I care much more about other people and the consequences of my actions on those around me
4) My uncontrollable, spontaneous thoughts have shifted from hating male politicians or unpleasant sexual nonsense (or sometimes an overlapping of the two) to loving my femininity
5) I have lost interest in taking long walks alone and gained interest in small talk

I always had a somewhat feminine way of thinking. Even when presenting as male, I found it easier to work with women than with men in college because our thoughts on the work were more compatible. I stopped eating animal products because the torture and murder of defenseless animals broke my sensitive heart. I found shopping very rewarding when I made unexpected finds. Since starting the HRT though, my thought processes have feminized to a sufficient extent to eliminate any doubt that I am female at heart, as opposed to "mostly female," "80% female," or "more female than male." I think the hormonal imbalance pre-transition did suppress my female way of thinking and HRT is restoring it.

Hormones are just one aspect, though. It is about who I really am. Taking steps to present more feminine, such as my recent switch to women's shirts, has also seemed to make me act more girly.

Quote from: CaptFido87 on January 09, 2015, 04:33:13 PM
There have been a lot of comments that really hit me hard in here.

I feel the same way. I just don't act very femininely, I don't feel like a woman, and I have very little understanding of what girls like to do. I try to look to my sister for inspiration, but all she does is shop for bras and watches a lot of that reality TV about girls getting pregnant and stuff. I know I'm still very early on my life and haven't done much yet for the transition, but It makes me think more about this. Right now I act very manly. I burp out loud, release gas, watch sports, fish, and go to theme parks a lot. I really do want to feel more womanly by shopping but even that scares me. A lot of you basically said that taking hrt gives you confidence and makes you feel comfortable with you. I certainly hope so.

I wanna find ways to start acting more feminine now so I can some practice for the future. Maybe i'll make my own thread on that.

I hope you can ways to help better yourself just like the rest of us have. Good luck with becoming more female.

I don't think it's about "acting like a female" or even "becoming more female" (apart from physically, of course) - if your mind tells you that you are female, then that's all there is to it - it's not as if it's impossible for women to "burp out loud, release gas, watch sports, fish, and go to theme parks a lot" - you can be a woman and do all of these things. You shouldn't have to learn to be a "woman" at all, you only have to be open to being you.

I think HRT has made changes, but not really fundamental ones. Violence seems to bother me more for example but my interests haven't changed, I still enjoy the activities that were both traditionally masculine or tradtionally feminine.

By my point of view I have always been a woman, therefore I have always thought like one.

I'm pretty much pre-everything.  So I'm interested in reading everyone's experiences.  One item I'll note, is that I really liked watching "The Notebook"  while my wife didn't enjoy it all that much.  She's a very girly GG too, but just can't get into movies marked for women.  I on the other hand, have taken dates to see fem-movies (anyone remember "Steel Magnolias"). 

As for my GD, I've had flashes all my life that hey I'm female.  There are some strong women out there, very feminine strong women.  There was one that just passed a few weeks ago, Mary Davis.  Mary owned and managed the Portofino Hotel in Redondo Beach.  She raced cars in the golden era of the 50's driving Aston Martin's and Mercedes Benz's, always breaking the glass ceiling.  So, please don't always think that women have to stick to gender stereotypes. 

-Alana

Just some food for thought.

How does one truely define "thinking like a girl"?

Quote from: Jill F on January 17, 2015, 07:27:52 PM
This is so true.  The all-ladies dive bar club that I belong to is notorious for quite unladylike behavior!

Off topic I know, but say Jill that wouldn't be the dive bar in Van Nays would it?? 

-Alana

I  found,  in  5  years  of  hrt,  that  the  biggest  factor  effected  was  emotions,  they  went  through  the  roof.  there  were  small  changes  in  other  areas,  but  nothing  major.  might  help  to  add  i  was  40  when  i  started  hrt.  so  that  lends  to  a lot  of  learned  and  ingrained  thought  process. 
  a  big  change  came  for  me  with  SRS.    prior,  i  was  a  hetrosexual.  never  interested  in  men.  shortly  after  srs,  men  got  interesting,  then  cute  and handsome,  then  OMG.  now,  hetro  again,  total  flip  with  srs  to  align  with  my  hetro  prefrence. 
  I  still  work  a  steriotype  male  job  love  to  hunt,  fish,  camp,  etc.  hate  shopping,  house  work,  laundry  and  cooking.    Never  got  into  the  dress  and  heels  look,  prefer  still  my  camo  and  boots./ 
  i  reckon  every one  is  different....  viva  la  differance

Quote from: Jennygirl on January 18, 2015, 11:40:07 AM
Ouch! Could have worded that one a little better.

Oops  I didn't mean it like that. Kind of just came out, but I think you got the gist of what I meant.

I recently got myself some girl friends to hang around with. I'd say they aren't the most girliest girls around, but they are fun to talk to. I've been learning from them and taking hints on other stuff, which helps in the long run. Even better for me is the one girls dad is a transgender woman, so we can talk about how that effects everything.

I still can't figure out why one needs a purse so gigantic. It just doesn't seem necessary to me for it to be that big

When I would go out with a guy friend to a bar they would always give me befuddled looks and shake their heads when I wouldn't go hit on a girl. I would tell them that that's just not the way I am. I can't just talk to someone and take them home. I never once had a "get laid" agenda. They would be the same way when I refused to go to a strip club. I've always been very sensitive, crying at emotional movie scenes, super smiley when meeting a new friend somewhere, easily annoyed by sex talk or those typical vulgar references, always preferring female singers in my music so I could sing along, and my relationships have always been disasters probably due to not playing the protective alpha role. I don't even know what "thinking like a male" even is.

A couple months in.
1) Faster/deeper emotions. Slightly. Not as much as I would have liked, but definitely improved.
2) Anger/Agression. Not really. I was really hoping to loose more of this by now.
3) Caring about others. Again not really, but I've always been fairly compassionate so that isn't saying much.
4) Hating male politicians. I'm going to expand this to I hate men that make the gender look bad. Right now especially this is the republican party. I feel like they are fighting a war against women again. Trying to take away maternity leave, deny abortions, deny contraceptives, etc... Not changed at all.
5) I still suck at small talk.

Quote from: Steph34 on January 18, 2015, 12:28:24 PM
I know I can attribute these changes to the HRT, because they occurred with the hormonal changes - not with starting therapy or coming out:

1) Faster and deeper emotions. For example, songs are more likely to make me cry, and cry harder. They also do so faster and the bounce up at the end is also faster.
2) My anger and aggression are almost all gone; I no longer stress out over so many little things
3) I care much more about other people and the consequences of my actions on those around me
4) My uncontrollable, spontaneous thoughts have shifted from hating male politicians or unpleasant sexual nonsense (or sometimes an overlapping of the two) to loving my femininity
5) I have lost interest in taking long walks alone and gained interest in small talk

I always had a somewhat feminine way of thinking. Even when presenting as male, I found it easier to work with women than with men in college because our thoughts on the work were more compatible. I stopped eating animal products because the torture and murder of defenseless animals broke my sensitive heart. I found shopping very rewarding when I made unexpected finds. Since starting the HRT though, my thought processes have feminized to a sufficient extent to eliminate any doubt that I am female at heart, as opposed to "mostly female," "80% female," or "more female than male." I think the hormonal imbalance pre-transition did suppress my female way of thinking and HRT is restoring it.

Hormones are just one aspect, though. It is about who I really am. Taking steps to present more feminine, such as my recent switch to women's shirts, has also seemed to make me act more girly.

Quote1) Faster and deeper emotions. For example, songs are more likely to make me cry, and cry harder. They also do so faster and the bounce up at the end is also faster.
2) My anger and aggression are almost all gone; I no longer stress out over so many little things
3) I care much more about other people and the consequences of my actions on those around me
4) My uncontrollable, spontaneous thoughts have shifted from hating male politicians or unpleasant sexual nonsense (or sometimes an overlapping of the two) to loving my femininity
5) I have lost interest in taking long walks alone and gained interest in small talk

1. I was always like this
2. Umm yeah a bit. Road rage still upsets me though and I have a tendency to want to get back at people rather than just let it go. Helps that I have a bit of a lead foot and emergency vehicle driver training. Or not.
3. I always did.
4. I don't hate male politicians at all. In fact I kind of despise some female ones. But my issues with them are more about issues and not about gender. But yeah I love my (little bit of) femininity. Oh my god do I love it. Even though I don't have to dress in secret anymore sometimes if I have spare time I will go try on stuff just for the heck of it. I look at myself in the mirror more often and more spontaneously now. I watch a lot of youtube videos with howtos for fashion, makeup etc.
5. I was always like this.

So, do I get a cookie? LOL.