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Hi, I've read a lot of the thread and I don't intend to discourage but I had a couple of questions pop up in my mind that I couldn't find answers for so far. Obviously I'm pretty ignorant on the subject and please excuse me if this was already addressed.

How does it work? It's the actual fat being siphoned, not the fat cells, yes? How do you make sure it goes into the right fat cells you want, for example, you might inject a certain area but what is to prevent that fat becoming visceral rather than subcutaneous? Does it necessarily go into fat cells or could it actually just hang out in all sorts of places where perhaps it shouldn't be?

Furthermore, what's to prevent the body from spreading the fat back in the pattern it is used to?

I wish you success with the procedure and the process towards it!

Quote from: missymay on January 24, 2015, 06:06:58 PM
Countdown to booty...

25 days!

Quote from: Ruth Ruthless on January 25, 2015, 03:40:28 AM
Hi, I've read a lot of the thread and I don't intend to discourage but I had a couple of questions pop up in my mind that I couldn't find answers for so far. Obviously I'm pretty ignorant on the subject and please excuse me if this was already addressed.

How does it work? It's the actual fat being siphoned, not the fat cells, yes? How do you make sure it goes into the right fat cells you want, for example, you might inject a certain area but what is to prevent that fat becoming visceral rather than subcutaneous? Does it necessarily go into fat cells or could it actually just hang out in all sorts of places where perhaps it shouldn't be?

Furthermore, what's to prevent the body from spreading the fat back in the pattern it is used to?

I wish you success with the procedure and the process towards it!

When they perform liposuction, the fat cells are fully removed. The whole cell is intact. The extracted stuff is then allowed to sit for about 30mins, which separates the good fat cells from the other miscellaneous stuff that comes out (such as the tumescent fluid they inject before lipo as well as some inevitably damaged fat cells and blood). The good cells are scraped from the top, and loaded into blunt tipped syringes. I get the feeling it is around 60% of the fat is suitable. For example, if you were to lipo 5L of fat out of someone, you'd have 3L of fat that can be reinjected.

So next, the surgeon injects these good cells using a technique called "micrografting". Basically they lay a small bead of fat cells in kind of a line throughout the area of augmentation. They do this where the fat cells will easily find a blood supply. Survival seems to typically be good in the gluteus muscles, for example, because of the high vascularization of the area. Basically they are trying to avoid blobs and areas with low vascularization, because the fat in the center of the blob would have a very difficult time creating the necessary blood networks or there would simply be a lack of blood supply in the area to latch onto.

As I just mentioned, it is inevitable that some of the fat cells will not find a blood supply with the current standard techniques. This is why they say 20-50% of the transferred cells die and get reabsorbed into the body. Most surgeons seem to say that after 3 months what you see is permanent. The really neat part is that the fat behaves just like it did in the donor site. So, say your belly was the last thing you lose weight from (what they call a "problem area"). If you transfer that to your butt, your butt will now have fat cells that stubbornly hold onto fat lipids and will be one of the last things that you lose weight from. Hopefully that makes sense. Pretty neat.

With this procedure you are literally rearranging where the fat cells are located on the body. They say that it is permanent, and the body will never revert to the way it used to store fat. The same is said with lipo alone. Areas that have received aggressive lipo will theoretically never get fat again (no fat cells there anymore). That is why it is such an effective procedure for "problem areas". The issue with lipo alone is that if you gain weight, the body will have to store it somewhere. It will put it in all the other areas that did not get lipo'd.

The vascularization thing seems key, and I think it's why a lot of surgeons don't inject much into certain parts of the hips. Sometimes that area is very thin muscle-wise and the fat survival might not end up being very good. Results seem to vary a lot. I have seen more than one report of people saying they had a lot injected into their hips and the hips lost a significant amount of volume during healing. I trust that Dr. Hughes knows what he is doing in that regard.

I read here that by adulthood the body maintains a constant amount of fat cells, and that the fat cells themselves die and are replaced with new ones to keep the same amount at a rate of 10 percent per year. How does this siphoning of fat cells and repositing them affect the body's sense of how many fat cells need to be replaced and if it's true that fat cells die at this rate, wouldn't that make the fat revert again unless by that time the body is listening to the hormones and placing new fat cells there on its own?

http://sciencemags.blogspot.co.il/2010/01/life-and-death-of-fat-cell.html

I mean, how can it be permenant unless fat cells live until the end of our lives, which from what I see they don't... They eventually die and are replaced. Unless I'm wrong and the liposuctioned fat cells live until the end of our lives? Or perhaps the body knows where a fat cell died and tends to replace it in the same place? Asking honestly.

I'll throw in my cautionary 2 cents as someone born female and genetically cursed with major curves (think the love child of J-Lo and Beyonce). It's hell finding pants that fit. If it fits my butt then the waist gaps 10-12cm in back. If I grab something based on waist size then I can't pull it up past my fat ass. I can't afford tayloring like the above celebs. Do NOT request an extra large booty.

Another aspect to consider is overall balance. I'm also cursed with big boobs so you'd think I have good proportions (if I liked being female) but I have unusually disproportinate fat distribution. Very little subcutaneous fat on my upper body (my veins show easily) and something more normal down below. This combined with my curves results in people who I meet only occasionally constantly declaring I must have lost weight (even when I'm positive I've gained since they last saw me). You'd think I'd like the compliment but it sucks because it means their mental image of me is fatter than reality. I've heard this dozens of times over decades so it's not just me obssessing over one or two comments.

The upshot? Moderation. HRT affects the whole body in balance and surgery affects specific sites without automatic balance. I wish everyone good luck and good results but I caution against indulging any desire for hypercurves. It's no fun.

Quote from: Ruth Ruthless on January 25, 2015, 08:20:55 AM
I mean, how can it be permenant unless fat cells live until the end of our lives, which from what I see they don't... They eventually die and are replaced. Unless I'm wrong and the liposuctioned fat cells live until the end of our lives? Or perhaps the body knows where a fat cell died and tends to replace it in the same place? Asking honestly.

I'm not a biologist, but I thought that a cell reproduces itself before dying (in the same location). And also, if the body spawns new instances of fat cells, I believe it comes from the stem cells carried amongst fat cells. The stem cells are transferred to the new location as well.

So no, you will probably never be able to get as fat as you once were in an area after it has been lipo'd. At least I'm pretty sure about that. It's what most docs say online.

Quote from: genderirrelevant on January 25, 2015, 10:38:43 AM
I'll throw in my cautionary 2 cents as someone born female and genetically cursed with major curves (think the love child of J-Lo and Beyonce). It's hell finding pants that fit. If it fits my butt then the waist gaps 10-12cm in back. If I grab something based on waist size then I can't pull it up past my fat ass. I can't afford tayloring like the above celebs. Do NOT request an extra large booty.

Another aspect to consider is overall balance. I'm also cursed with big boobs so you'd think I have good proportions (if I liked being female) but I have unusually disproportinate fat distribution. Very little subcutaneous fat on my upper body (my veins show easily) and something more normal down below. This combined with my curves results in people who I meet only occasionally constantly declaring I must have lost weight (even when I'm positive I've gained since they last saw me). You'd think I'd like the compliment but it sucks because it means their mental image of me is fatter than reality. I've heard this dozens of times over decades so it's not just me obssessing over one or two comments.

The upshot? Moderation. HRT affects the whole body in balance and surgery affects specific sites without automatic balance. I wish everyone good luck and good results but I caution against indulging any desire for hypercurves. It's no fun.

I appreciate the advice. On account of the little body fat I have to work with even after gaining 15-20lbs, I'm going for all I can.

I would rock the heck out of hypercurves anyway, but I know I'm not going to get them. I'll be telling the doctor to do the best he can, in the most aggressive and artistic way possible. It is what he is known for, and why I chose him.

I am looking for something proportionate to my shoulders, and that is all I really care about. For me there is no such thing as "too big" given what I know I have to work with as well as my starting point. I'm not worried about him going overboard, I don't think it's possible. If he proves me wrong, so be it. I always wanted to be a big bootied girl- since I was a young teenager. I think at the very most I'll look "curvy", or balanced. Realistically I might not even get all the way to there. We will just have to see!

If it always works that way then how does hrt have any possibility of changing fat distribution if the cells can't be created in new places to varying degrees for different people? Is it more a matter of the body prioritizing inflation of other cells?

Quote from: genderirrelevant on January 25, 2015, 10:38:43 AM
I'll throw in my cautionary 2 cents as someone born female and genetically cursed with major curves (think the love child of J-Lo and Beyonce). It's hell finding pants that fit. If it fits my butt then the waist gaps 10-12cm in back. If I grab something based on waist size then I can't pull it up past my fat ass. I can't afford tayloring like the above celebs. Do NOT request an extra large booty.

Idk if I'm intersexed or not (assigned male at birth) but I've been dealing with the same issue regarding pants, which I'm pretty tired of so I'm switching to dresses. Idk what else to do, I can't afford getting my stuff tailored either.

I just have dresses that don't fit my proportions fixed for very small sums.

Hey Jenny and Missy Im following this and I just wanted to thank you for posting this

Its something I want to do eventually... I had to do VFS first because thats my worst masculine trait... Im going for full FFS next with Dr Spiegel on 2-24   THEN Im thinking GCS, BUT I might end up doing exactly what you girls are doing first depending on how soon I can get a date with Brassard...

Im only 9 1/2 months on HRT though so as much as Id like to get lipo'ed NOW it makes sense for me to wait

I read about you girls pigging out TRYING to gain weight  I WISH I had that problem

Im 5' 7" and last summer I made it down to 148 lbs as the HRT really worked fast on me destroying muscle    Since quitting a heavy smoking habit in September along with switching to injections Ive gained 20lbs I cant shake no matter what I try

Sure some has gone to the right spots and the T&A ARE coming along nicely at least

But my belly is also a real problem area    I did try Coolsculpting http://www.coolsculpting.com/ .... It does work too.... The thing is while the fat is gone right around the belt line it seems to have just moved upwards

Im in no danger of not having enough fat  Im thinking if I have aggressive lipo on my belly and my back and maybe even my arms that it will all just move to places like my bra line and yes maybe even my thighs and ass where I already have cellulite....

Id do as much above the belt line as I can and Id go for injections in the hips mostly and maybe in my boobs....  Im doing well there at least with a full B cup (and still growing) and I doubt I will ever need implants But Im sure a little strategically placed fat might help get a better shape,  and a natural C cup with a lipo'ed upper body would be PERFECT I think

So Im behind you here and I will be watching how this goes for ya'll I have started my research but not really... Voice and facial feminization first, one step at a time and PATIENCE I guess  

Recovery does sound really unpleasant though I dont want to think about wearing a compression garment for months.... It also sounds PAINFUL, just like everything else
Good Luck

Quote from: Jennygirl on January 16, 2015, 04:56:19 PM
Congrats!! You are going to beat me to the butt party

Who is you surgeon? And care to share any details about yourself to do with your upcoming procedure? I am mega curious what your measurements and expectations are. I'm not quite sure what to expect for myself.

I had to reschedule my surgery (new date is 04/01/15), so you will arrive at the butt party before me.

Had my surgery this morning. Definitely want having much fun for a while afterward, but now I'm just chillin and feeling good.

Obviously my body is going to go through a lot of changes during recovery and I haven't seen myself out of the compression garment yet, but I feel SO POSITIVE about my result already.

Congratulations! 

Thank you

They weren't really forthcoming about the amount of blood that I would be losing, but after calling them and asking what to do about it they actually suggested buying shower curtains to lay on to avoid soaking my bed with blood.  So heads up about that one, ladies.

Quote from: spooky on February 02, 2015, 08:45:52 PM
Thank you

They weren't really forthcoming about the amount of blood that I would be losing, but after calling them and asking what to do about it they actually suggested buying shower curtains to lay on to avoid soaking my bed with blood.  So heads up about that one, ladies.

Wow noted. Congratulations by the way!

I am sure with Salama you will have really great results!

Any idea how much fat he was able to remove and how much went into each side of hips/bum? I am hoping to get 500 in each hip and at least 400 in each side of the butt.

I am 17 days away from my surgery, I'll be eager to know how you are recovering and how things are going. Thanks so much for sharing here, spooky!

I'm seeing the doctor again tomorrow and I will definitely ask!

I can tell you that my butt is currently ENORMOUS and that, especially from behind, my waist is itty bitty!

My selfie game is about to go through the roof.

Sounds like everything went well.  How much pain are you having?

Very little pain, a lot of discomfort.

It's already feeling like torture to not be able to sit up.

I generally feel great when I'm laying down, but after just a few minutes of standing/walking I start feeling light-headed and nauseous.  To me nausea is just about the most unpleasant feeling in the world.

The first thing I did when I got out of the car today on the way home from the hospital was to puke several times on the sidewalk. I haven't vomited since bit I've felt close a few times and I'm going through my anti-nausea medication super fast.