I know mtf's can have stealth sex because their genitals look indistinguishable but what about with a phallo?

Not very likely, we still don't have sperm and your partner is going to find that out sooner or later. The results are still not where we want them to be.

I would say phallo sex and you could pass scars off for other surgeries but if you have forearm technique that seems to be a tell tail sigh.

Each year it gets better.

Is stealth sex the only factor of true happiness?

That is what i would explore.

Hugs

I suppose you could come up with an excuse for anything if you really wanted to, but like DragonBeer said, it might be hard to back up the fact that you're pretty much incapable of producing male ejaculate.

Quote from: kamikazehu on March 07, 2015, 08:38:07 AM
I know mtf's can have stealth sex because their genitals look indistinguishable but what about with a phallo?

I have heard guys doing it for one night stands.  Long term it would be hard as the others have said.  I don't know though...when an individual receives sperm into their vagina can they feel it?  Can people feel it in their anuses? 

Quote from: lionheart on March 07, 2015, 10:32:45 AM
I suppose you could come up with an excuse for anything if you really wanted to, but like DragonBeer said, it might be hard to back up the fact that you're pretty much incapable of producing male ejaculate.

Actually that's not really hard to backup considering not every guy can produce sperm, and I heard that you still can ejaculate after surgery.

Quote from: Brett on March 07, 2015, 11:21:34 AM
I have heard guys doing it for one night stands.  Long term it would be hard as the others have said.  I don't know though...when an individual receives sperm into their vagina can they feel it?  Can people feel it in their anuses? 

Not hard to believe, since you must wear a condom for one night stands.

But I don't know why it's so important to have "stealth sex". The most important thing is to both you and your partner have a pleasurable experience.

By seeing another topic you posted now, if you are curious, there are recent videos posted by a guy with his girlfriend at Xtube. It's the best phalloplasty result I've ever seem, and both of them seemed to have a great time.

As for me, since there's no perfect procedure, I will keep my parts untouched, or get a simple meta.

Based on what I know (no personal experience with someone who's had a phalloplasty), I think it'd be difficult, and probably not very fun.  You might be able to make it work for low-intimacy encounters with a condom, where either some of the clothes stayed on or the lights stayed off.  But-- to be explicit-- most of the phalloplasty pics I've seen leave the enlarged native "organ" intact at the base of the phalloplasty, for sexual sensation. Some people are apparenly satisfied by traditional penis-in-vagina techniques with this construction, but in most of the porn I've seen, guys like to have their most erogenous zone addressed directly.  Pleasure for the penetrating partner would seem a lot less likely if they were actively trying to conceal any evidence of their original genitalia.

Being accepted for ourselves is the ideal, of course-- but it is kind of disheartening to have the easy options foreclosed entirely.  Plenty of cis guys get by on hookups when they're not in a serious relationship, and this is a lot harder for folks whose genitalia doesn't match what's expected for their gender identity.

Honestly, I don't think it would be worth the risk. If the girl you were with has had sex before, she would probably feel the difference inside. You would have to keep her from seeing you naked or from any groin touching.

Ethically, it might not be that good of an idea either. Assuming that it wasn't a one night stand and you really cared for the girl, she would probably feel betrayed or angry that you tried to pull that off with her. During sex, you are at one of your most vulnerable times, and a level of trust between partners is expected in a relationship. There is a big difference between passing for a few dates so she gets to know you as a person first and passing in bed.

Personally, I'd want to know whether a girl was going to accept me for who I am before getting into a serious relationship. That is just my opinion.

sam1234

I'm sure that in some cases the results are good enough. I have seen results that might make a doctor look twice.

But I agree with the last couple sentences here.

If you just don't want to "explain yourself" perhaps you could say you have a birth defect requiring surgery. It's not a route I would chose, but to each his own.

--Jay

Quote from: mrs izzy on March 07, 2015, 10:15:51 AM
I would say phallo sex and you could pass scars off for other surgeries but if you have forearm technique that seems to be a tell tail sigh.

Each year it gets better.

Is stealth sex the only factor of true happiness?

That is what i would explore.

Hugs

Well this thread is super dead, but im gonna cast true resurrection on it because I see a lot of misinformation and I don't want future transmen reading the first few Google entries to get the wrong idea.

First of all, the idea of stealth is just hoohaw. Once you have completed transition you have nothing to hide. You owe Noone an explanation of your medical history, and anyone who claims you are being disingenuous because you didn't tell them off the bat that you're trans before you <engaged in sex with> them needs to check themselves, because they were attracted to you as you are, and knowing you are trans changes literally nothing about the sexual experience they had.

Secondly, there are cis medical equivalences to every aspect of phalloplasty. Can't ejeculate? retrograde ejaculation. Can't get it up without a prosthetic? Those prosthetics were invented for cis men first. Have disfiguring scars on you arm or thigh? You fought a bear!

Lastly, in regards to the transmen in porn videos who had their clitoris exposed, that is the exact reason they didn't seem to enjoy penetration. Having the clitoris buried is a thing you can opt out of in phalloplasty, but the reason you get it buried is because of the nerve hook up. With the nerves in your skin graph hooked up to your clitoris (buried at the base of the <penis>) the nerve will grow the entire length of the phallo, giving full sensation. It's a personal choice to make, whether you want full sensation in your <penis>, or sensation on one spot underneath your <penis>. There is a great video on brownstein and crane' website explaining the nerve hook up.

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Quote from: Bimmer Guy on March 07, 2015, 11:21:34 AM
I have heard guys doing it for one night stands.  Long term it would be hard as the others have said.  I don't know though...when an individual receives sperm into their vagina can they feel it?  Can people feel it in their anuses?

Yes, I can tell, usually. But some older guys have very little ejaculate, and even some younger guys, especially if they are on certain psych meds..

Missy

some cis men are impotent and cant ejaculate but what're you gonna do when they find out you dont get erect naturally

There are still people out there who arent attracted to trans people, and it shouldnt be their fault if theyre not interested. Everybody has the right to refuse a relationship or intimacy regardless of the reason, even something as dumb as they didnt like your hair.

If you try to hide the fact that you werent born X and they notice based on physical traits, then that'll make them really uncomfortable and betrayed. If you are a man or a woman that's fine but the fact of the matter is you were not born that way, no matter what you do nothing is going to replace your history or some few aspects of your physical nature. You are still transgender, you will always be transgender, its part of who you are/were.

People are never obligated to have sex with you if they have preferences no matter how misguided, short sighted, or picky they are.

Not only that, but besides the emotional fragility of straight human nature for not wanting to have sex with someone trans (Some straight people arent necessarily bigots but prefer not to for some reason, others legitimately have some outlandish fear that they might be attracted to a woman or man who wasnt born that way), the idea of trying to have sex stealth is potentially dangerous and risky depending on the type of person you take to bed. If you take a bigoted person, they could cause physical harm if upset or angry, or they might socially embarass or ostracize you.Not only that but as stated above, fragile straight cis people have a fragil sex ego, if they have sex with the wrong person it can cause a stir or panic for other bigoted people and form more hate against trans people. Its a risk that isnt safe for you and isnt fair for your partner.

If you absolutely must try to be stealth, its best to know for a fact that the person is pansexual/bisexual or lgbt friendly beforehand before attempting sexual intercourse. Anything else is dishonest, you're inadvertantly/indirectly violating sexual consent and that's not okay

I agree with what wolf said. even though the lgbt has gained acceptance and evolved within a decade bigotry against the community is still very well common. I'd say bigotry is more common than acceptance. Whenever i come out to someone and they accept me i feel grateful because there are alot of toxic and ignorant people on the difference between gender identity vs anatomically given body. Especially in cis gendered people that don't understand how one can feel different than their given body. Although stealth sex would be a blessing you have to think about if you were in that person's shoes. To us, it might not make a difference because as far as what we know/feel we are like a cis man but to them it makes all the difference. Like my gf knows im trans but i didn't come out to her parents and they found out through social media and felt super betrayed to say the least. I'm just like what difference does it make? So coming out as trans is something that impacts others more than you think not to mention attempting stealth sex. It is what it is.

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>.> Those ignorant threads make me ill.

Friendly reminder that you arent always obligated to come out as trans, because exactly as stated above, most those males will not accept you as another man socially if they knew, and that's just stupid since theyre not going into your pants and they wont know, it doesnt matter to them at all.

There is a difference between coming out to a potential sex partner and someone who is not going to be intimate with you. If there is any chance of bigotry never come out to someone, and especially never try to have stealth sex with them.

(Some of those articles are violent even, oh my gosh...)

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Quote from: Jermaine on February 12, 2017, 07:57:35 AM
I agree with what wolf said. even though the lgbt has gained acceptance and evolved within a decade bigotry against the community is still very well common. I'd say bigotry is more common than acceptance. Whenever i come out to someone and they accept me i feel grateful because there are alot of toxic and ignorant people on the difference between gender identity vs anatomically given body. Especially in cis gendered people that don't understand how one can feel different than their given body. Although stealth sex would be a blessing you have to think about if you were in that person's shoes. To us, it might not make a difference because as far as what we know/feel we are like a cis man but to them it makes all the difference. Like my gf knows im trans but i didn't come out to her parents and they found out through social media and felt super betrayed to say the least. I'm just like what difference does it make? So coming out as trans is something that impacts others more than you think not to mention attempting stealth sex. It is what it is.

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I'm glad the Mods decided to re-open this thread because I had something very important to add.

Please be aware that in some jurisdictions, it is possible to be prosecuted and imprisoned for not disclosing your trans status before having sex with a partner.

There have been at least two cases in the UK in recent years: one probably involving a trans guy and the other apparently involving a lesbian who pretended to be male so she could sleep with straight women (who knows the truth behind that case). In both cases, they were convicted of sexual assault because they hadn't disclosed their status & the accuser said they wouldn't have consented to sex with anyone other than a cis man. This made the sex non-consensual in the eyes of the law and both defendants were found guilty of sexual assault. One of them had their conviction overturned & is awaiting retrial - but only because the sentence imposed had been extra-harsh, possibly due to the cross-gender angle.

So please, before considering stealth sex, check your local laws to see whether you're putting yourself at risk. Yes, it sucks. Yes, it's discriminatory. But this is the reality that many of us face, and we have to protect ourselves. All it takes is one vindictive ex (or one-night stand) to report you to the cops, and it's your word against theirs. And it's you against a system that is generally hostile towards trans people.

TL;DR: unlike what others have said here, depending on where you live you may actually be obligated to disclose before having sex.