Quote from: Jill F on March 26, 2015, 03:43:20 PM
This will be repealed as soon as a Muslim clerk refuses to sell someone beer on religious grounds.

Really? That's already happening...

My bet is that the law not only stands but is upheld by the courts, based on Burwell v Hobby Lobby. However the stipulation would be "sincerely held religious belief." I don't think we'll get  broad decision striking down this sort of law or any similar law but  decision narrow enough to prevent arbitrary discrimination.

I think that discrimination is a bad thing but it's a fine line to walk with regard to respecting someone's right to observe their religion and not arbitrarily discriminating against people, because "ick."

And in a way, it makes it easier for me to decide who to do business with.

Quote from: traci_k on March 27, 2015, 11:17:52 AM
As for the Muslim Clerk and alcohol, I've read several stories where stores have to have someone else ring up the alcohol because some Muslim clerks already refuse to ring it up.

In some places there are signs about pork products too.

Quote from: Jill F on March 26, 2015, 03:43:20 PM
This will be repealed as soon as a Muslim clerk refuses to sell someone beer on religious grounds.

Snarkasm, folks.  I do that.  Could you imagine the uproar if these people didn't get their beer though? 

Anyway, the fallout has already begun.  Lots of businesses and a gaming convention are already pulling out and the loss of NCAA basketball is really going to bite them in the butts next year. 

Someone clearly wasn't thinking this one through.

Legal discrimination back by government.

Yep who would think this could be in 2015.

Next there will be discrimination against other religions or sectors with-in there own religion.

They warned about this when the Supreme Court ruled that day that religion has over and above rights.

What's next killing sectors legally. 

Shaking my head over humanity. 

Sigh!

Quote from: mrs izzy on March 27, 2015, 02:34:05 PM
Legal discrimination back by government...
They warned about this when the Supreme Court ruled that day that religion has over and above rights....

Sigh!

The Hobby Lobby decision. I remember the government swearing up and down that it would go no further, never be a precedent... Yeah, right.

Does Australia have room for all of us? They're beginning to look like the only country without an overabundance of snow that doesn't have their head up their...

Indiana 'Religious Freedom' Law Spurs 'This Business Serves Everyone' Movement

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2015/03/27/indiana-religious-freedom-law-spurs-this-business-serves-everyone-backlash/

March 27, 2015 1:38 PM
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Stickers reading "This BusinessServes Everyone" have popping up in shop windows across Indiana, as a response to the state's controversial Religious Freedom Restoration Act.

Quote from: suzifrommd on March 28, 2015, 03:34:44 PM
Indiana 'Religious Freedom' Law Spurs 'This Business Serves Everyone' Movement

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2015/03/27/indiana-religious-freedom-law-spurs-this-business-serves-everyone-backlash/

March 27, 2015 1:38 PM
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Stickers reading "This BusinessServes Everyone" have popping up in shop windows across Indiana, as a response to the state's controversial Religious Freedom Restoration Act.

This has been huge here so far.  I started noticing it the day before sb101 was signed into law.

Angie's list is the latest in a string on organizations to put on hold or cancel altogether plans to expand in Indiana, as of this morning.  This was issued in response today (from local news station wthr):

Indianapolis' City-County Council president Maggie Lewis issued a response later that afternoon, saying:

"It's disheartening that the Angie's List investment in the near east side has been put aside due to the on-going Religious Freedom Reformation Act (RFRA) controversy. On Monday, I'll be supporting Proposal 120, a Council resolution that rejects the RFRA and lets the world know what a wonderful, welcoming city Indy truly is. Indianapolis welcomes people of any sexual orientation, race, gender identification, ethnicity, religion, or creed. RFRA does not reflect the diversity we celebrate in our great city."

Segregation alive and well in Indiana...


Sarcasm obviously, but there was a "Hell is Real" sign earlier on the road.  There's more than corn in Indiana... like religious bigotry.

Quote from: ChiGirl on March 28, 2015, 08:09:57 PM
Segregation alive and well in Indiana...


Sarcasm obviously, but there was a "Hell is Real" sign earlier on the road.  There's more than corn in Indiana... like religious bigotry.

Hey, that sign isn't far from where I live...  and yes, you're right...  most of the bigotry coming from our legislators. 

Indy is at least trying:

http://www.indystar.com/story/news/politics/2015/03/27/hate-rfra-downtown-indy-wants-make-video/70539492/

I've driven past that sign so many times visiting my family in southern Indiana and it always made me laugh.  But there is an irony it as well because Indiana is where the KKK was formed.  And now, this pro-discrimination bill.

I love Indiana.  My father and his entire family is from Indiana and so id my mother's father.   It's where I am right now.  I love my family and I want the best for them and the state they live in.  I worry for my gay cousin who is in the closet from most of the family.  I don't want to boycott Indiana.  I want to help the good people of this state take it back from the RW nutjobs.

Plus, I'm selfish.  I'd like to come here next Christmas and not worry that I won't be allowed in certain places. 

Quote from: ChiGirl on March 28, 2015, 11:53:18 PM
Plus, I'm selfish.  I'd like to come here next Christmas and not worry that I won't be allowed in certain places.

That's not a selfish thing to want... 

It's basic human decency.

Honestly, and I hope I'm not being overly optimistic here, I think with all of the public outrage over this any business that would even try to use this would feel the economic impact so harshly they wouldn't continue to be in business much longer.

Whether or not our legislators agree, this just isn't the world we live in anymore nor should it be.

Besides, I don't want to give my money to anyone who really doesn't want my business anyway!

Quote from: ChiGirl on March 28, 2015, 11:53:18 PM
I've driven past that sign so many times visiting my family in southern Indiana and it always made me laugh.  But there is an irony it as well because Indiana is where the KKK was formed.  And now, this pro-discrimination bill.

I love Indiana.  My father and his entire family is from Indiana and so id my mother's father.   It's where I am right now.  I love my family and I want the best for them and the state they live in.  I worry for my gay cousin who is in the closet from most of the family.  I don't want to boycott Indiana.  I want to help the good people of this state take it back from the RW nutjobs.

Plus, I'm selfish.  I'd like to come here next Christmas and not worry that I won't be allowed in certain places.

Sweetie and I were discussing this yesterday. We agreed that the big businesses were right to boycott the state given that everything they do has a scattergun effect. She suggested, and I agreed, that individuals should visit the state and only patronize businesses that ignore the new law and serve everyone. Sounds great, but if you're not into racing what the heck do you do in Indiana? I grew up in southern Michigan and I have no idea.

I am ashamed of my state government for passing this law, but I am proud of the people who are opposing this law by going to the statehouse, holding rallies in 32 degree weather, and moving business and conventions out of Indiana. Because of the of the actions of our state government, the future of NCAA tournaments in Indiana is in jeopardy, SalesForce is refusing to expand in the state, and Gen Con (a 56,000 person gaming convention) has pulled out of Indiana. Some of the most narrow-minded legislators have gone too far this time and have now angered people with money, and have caused economic damage to the state as a result.

I was at an anti RFRA rally in Fort Wayne on Saturday (it was really cold), were any of my sisters and brothers from Indiana raising their voices against this law?

One Restaurant Already Celebrated 'Religious Liberty' By Turning Away Gays

http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2015/03/28/3640221/indiana-business-owner-admits-discriminating-lgbt-people/

BY Kay Steiger March 28, 2015 AT 9:19 AM

An Indiana business owner went on a local radio station and said that he had discriminated against gay or lesbian couples even before Gov. Mike Pence (R) signed a law on Thursday protecting business owners who decide to discriminate for "religious liberty" reasons. He then defended the practice and suggested he would do it again.

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Well, so much for my hoping this wouldn't amount to much....  The person in the article refused to identify themself or their business, of course, and they admit to doing this before the law was enacted....  Sounds like a real peach...   

Yesterday on "This Week" with George Stephanopolis governor Pence was interviewed. Stephanopolis must have asked him six times in 12 minutes if the law made discrimination legal. He ducked the question every time. If you're asked that kind of question and refuse to answer falling back on being offended to be asked that's a big "yes" to me. The video is available on YouTube.

Quote from: rachel89 on March 29, 2015, 11:57:45 PM
I was at an anti RFRA rally in Fort Wayne on Saturday (it was really cold), were any of my sisters and brothers from Indiana raising their voices against this law?

Thank you for being the voice and presence of reason protesting this regressive, throw back legislation.  I appreciate you being out there and only wish for a few minutes to join you in the cold.  This is another think globally and act locally opportunity.  The conversations, dialogue and repudiation of this ham handed enshrinement of religious bigotry will be part of the process and the legacy we work for. 

Law is truly "what is enforced."  Gravity needs no cops on earth while this State law reveals itself to be unenforceable ideology.

Crazy

From a strictly business standpoint, this law is irrational and harmful. I really like what Tim Cook, CEO of Apple said. He also recently came out as gay.

"America's business community recognized a long time ago that discrimination, in all its forms, is bad for business. At Apple, we are in business to empower and enrich our customers' lives. We strive to do business in a way that is just and fair. That's why, on behalf of Apple, I'm standing up to oppose this new wave of legislation — wherever it emerges. I'm writing in the hopes that many more will join this movement. From North Carolina to Nevada, these bills under consideration truly will hurt jobs, growth and the economic vibrancy of parts of the country where a 21st-century economy was once welcomed with open arms."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/pro-discrimination-religious-freedom-laws-are-dangerous-to-america/2015/03/29/bdb4ce9e-d66d-11e4-ba28-f2a685dc7f89_story.html

He also got into how people have died to establish freedom in America. The Religious Freedom Restoration Act (have to appreciate the power of words) is basically a slap in the face to what Americans over the centuries have worked to achieve.

Not to mention, with all these powerful companies and organizations boycotting Indiana, it is going to hurt the economy there. Legislators are supposed to be looking out for the people. How did they not see the possible backlash of their actions? Do they care about what it is going to do to the people of their state? It is clear the supporters of this bill do not care about the LGBT people in their state and that is not uncommon throughout the nation. But don't they care about anyone in their state?

It is nice to see people are willing to stand up against the law. That restores some faith in humanity. Where there is bad, there is also good. I hope the law is abolished completely. Maybe this will be a wake-up call for states with similar laws as well.