Quote from: Jessica.Heart on October 10, 2007, 02:47:44 PM
It seems to me that if it is possible to put a baboon's heart into a human, than shouldn't it be possible to swap gender parts with a willing donor?
Any takers??

If yer talkin' about a baboon vagina, then I can tell you real fast....umm....no thanks....

Beverly
Homosapien

Quote from: Beverly on October 11, 2007, 08:30:22 PM

Quote from: Jessica.Heart on October 10, 2007, 02:47:44 PM
It seems to me that if it is possible to put a baboon's heart into a human, than shouldn't it be possible to swap gender parts with a willing donor?
Any takers??

If yer talkin' about a baboon vagina, then I can tell you real fast....umm....no thanks....

Beverly
Homosapien

OMG, just the thought of that......

Suffice it to say, no way!  It's bad enough feeling like a mixture of male and female.  Cross-species is just going too far.

Kristi

maybe an unusual transplant... but did u kno ur mom has an unused uterus and half the cells u do(compatible). Just going on an idea. she doesnt even hav to remove it... just clone the organ from some cells and implant and presto. as for ftm... im sure something similar can be done as well (prostate and maybe even external organs). remember u cant clone a baby-making-organ( testicals and ovaries, cuz the result would most likely be simillar to ur clone.  sorry... im a biotech major.. ive always wanted to do something like this, and thats whi i chose that area. along with creating a more complicated (multi-cell-type) full reproductive system to go.  i hope the hypothetical cloning doesnt bother anyone. maybe ten years from now... ill get an office and finish my idea.

Quote from: RAVENX on October 18, 2007, 01:06:06 AM
but did u kno ur mom has an unused uterus and half the cells u do(compatible).

If my mother had an unsused uterus it would be very difficult for me to be typing this now, wouldn't you say?

-Sandy (Sterility is hereditary)

Quote from: Kassandra on October 18, 2007, 12:41:52 PM

Quote from: RAVENX on October 18, 2007, 01:06:06 AM
but did u kno ur mom has an unused uterus and half the cells u do(compatible).

If my mother had an unsused uterus it would be very difficult for me to be typing this now, wouldn't you say?

-Sandy (Sterility is hereditary)

LMAO


Kristi

Correct me if I am wrong --- but when you clone cells from "aged" tissue, the new organ ( or whatever ) has the "aged" characteristics of the source.   That is why embryonic stem cells are so important.   They are not aged.    I liken this to taking an old house apart and then using all the pieces to rebuild the house again.   The house is still the same again ( maybe upgraded a bit ).



If it was me.... I want the transplant tissue with no aging.   Let my wine age, but not my uterus....

Daisy

Thought about this a while --

I'd be ok with the internal organs... testes, ovaries, uterus etc.. (and I would absolutely donate mine so that someone else would have a chance to procreate).

but a genital transplant?  I dunno, sorta lean on the 'no thanks'

Sorta like other peoples toothbrushes and underpants, genitals aren't meant to be shared 

Quote from: Alison on October 18, 2007, 03:11:41 PM

Sorta like other peoples toothbrushes and underpants, genitals aren't meant to be shared 

Ewwww!  Don't touch *that*!  You don't know where it's been!  (Actually we probably do!)

-Sandy(It's alright to share toothbrushes, just rinse them in the toilet first!)

well actually, i didnt really mean to tear the thing out of ur closest living female family member...nor did i really say clone a 30's, 40's, or 50' uterus.   just maybe use some samples along with ur own... and some stem cells... and its a start.    of course im sure ur gonna need more than a little assuming to make it work( it actually takes a degree sometimes) and this stuff gets a little complicated around people its sortov new to.    a 50 year old uterus is still a working uterus... with a lifespan that could go well into ur 80's.

<<<<<<I'd be ok with the internal organs... testes, ovaries, uterus etc.. (and I would absolutely donate mine so that someone else would have a chance to procreate). but a genital transplant?  I dunno, sorta lean on the 'no thanks'  Sorta like other peoples toothbrushes and underpants, genitals aren't meant to be shared.>>>>>>

this comment is the perfect example of it...at some point, you have to realize that you either find a part... or make one( which is complicated, since the part wasnt previously part of your body.). the transplant organs suggested would likely not be accepted by the host body( just like heart transplant) so its pointless to go with ideas that are way off(give it 20 year and maybe). i chose the uterus as a good starting point because its simple(its made with only one or maybe a few cell types, as opposed to gonads... more than two...sortov complicated). with a very similar donor(blood type and similar antibodies), pregnancy( with some exceptions) is possible when nothing is killing it( and no meds are hurting something else). By no means is in vitro vertillisation to embryo transfer perfect... but its possible today and can be perfected  and use for the general transgendered population as well.

point is...  you can dream about what we might do... but if you ignore what we can do, maybe theres no point in going further.   check the website ive found to read up on the recent advancement in technology... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/14/AR2007011401091.html

Quote from: Alison on October 18, 2007, 03:11:41 PM

Sorta like other peoples toothbrushes and underpants, genitals aren't meant to be shared 

Yeppers.......  Never were yours to begin with.  They'd probably have an icky alien feel to them, and you would work your ass off to save the $25,000 to have them removed to relieve your tormented mind.  You would be one of the first $50,000 Posties by the time you got it right.


Bev

While in fantasy land....

Wouldnt it just be easier/better to swap brains?  I mean chopping off bits and pieces seems a lot like putting Ford fenders on a Chevy, you can make them fit, but it wont be pretty....  Not to mention I would enjoy not being the 6'2" tall Chevy with Ford fenders in pink satin =)

Dana

While it fantasy land follow the rabbit down to hole......

A brain is a complete computer with extensive storage space.     So all you need is the ability to copy all memories and store them.   Clear the Target brain of memories after backing up and store memories from the first person in the second .... doing the same in tandem you can do the same with the second....

You know just a basic memory swap.... nothing hard

Daisy

Ive got a book on do it yourself brain surgery and a saw if anyones interested 

The thing about swapping brains is I'd hate to try the procedure the first time and find that it doesn't copy something intangable like a soul. Now you have a soul and an incompatible bunch of memories that don't seem to work together.

You may not believe in souls or spirits or whatever, but would you really want to roll the dice for someone when parts of life just aren't understood enough yet? Where does that spark of life come from, isn't conciousness more then just chance brain activity? All we're saying is, we'd hate to be the people who authorized a memory wipe and the technology doesn't transfer the whole person.

M&M

Bush is stopping stem cell as well as other politicians. Our government needs to stop interefering with this stuff- they like messing with things that if they aren't messed with can benefit a lot of ppl--drug companies are paying the government on top of that.- so we have problems with these morons as well.

Quote from: Tink on October 11, 2007, 08:09:34 PM
I'm assuming you meant sex/reproductive organs, correct?  The only reason I would like a uterus and ovaries is to have my own child.  It's a dream that I know I won't be able to realize in this lifetime....but if it were possible, sure I'd love to.

tink

I would love to fo that...it makes me cry thinking about it. I wasn't ever able to have children as a male and I have always wanted my own kids...

no f2m would want this shriveled surgically mutalted thing...
R

Quote from: Marq and Mia on November 02, 2007, 05:25:21 PM
The thing about swapping brains is I'd hate to try the procedure the first time and find that it doesn't copy something intangable like a soul. Now you have a soul and an incompatible bunch of memories that don't seem to work together.

You may not believe in souls or spirits or whatever, but would you really want to roll the dice for someone when parts of life just aren't understood enough yet? Where does that spark of life come from, isn't conciousness more then just chance brain activity? All we're saying is, we'd hate to be the people who authorized a memory wipe and the technology doesn't transfer the whole person.

M&M

The whole body swap thing wouldn't work out for the same reason why I wouldn't want teleportation involving the recreation of a self from local matter. It just wouldn't be you; it'd be a copy. Not exactly what I want since I'd be destroyed.


To be honest, I'm putting my money on virtual reality. Graphical technology is nearly photo-realistic now; Gran Turismo 5 is proof. As soon as virtual reality becomes a full-sensory immersive possibility.. we'll have everything we've ever wanted. So I'm hoping for that in general. The brain is already being mapped for output as a controller - what will they do when they have finally accomplished that? Input.  >

http://www.surrey.ac.uk/qe/Outline.htm

1.  There is a small, but growing, amount of evidence that some elements of biological systems exhibit quantum behaviors.  The aforementioned article mentions DNA, but there is possibly much more going on. 

2.  The brain operates on an analog level, perfect replication in a digital medium isn't possible.  Estimating it requires enormous computing power, although some amount of research is being done in that respect (ie. BrainGate).  What you are talking about, input, is far more difficult, even assuming it is well understood, well defined problem, which currently, it's not.

We are decades away from being able to directly write sensory experience.

i think id sign up.. maybe.. but even with the overies or testes depending on situation theres still the issue of chromosomes as was mentioned earlier,, you still have your original chromosomes so i dotn see this ever workign as envisiond as for th etrasplant its self i could see it being as sucessful as any other organ can be now with proper use of anti rejection drugs and correct tissue typing but reporductively.. i dotn see it ever working and thus even to have the correct organs would be a waste
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