Just in case anyone doesn't know about "Gender theory"...

Quote from: Beth Andrea on February 23, 2015, 11:52:45 PM
Just in case anyone doesn't know about "Gender theory"...

Thanks Beth, that actually makes it clearer.

I think what people are seeing and what is being siad is a little like a Venn diagram where the two circles don't touch. I might be able to provide a little light here:

Full quote from the article:

Quote'Let's think of the nuclear arms, of the possibility to annihilate in a few instants a very high number of human beings,' he says.

'Let's think also of genetic manipulation, of the manipulation of life, or of the gender theory, that does not recognize the order of creation.'

'With this attitude, man commits a new sin, that against God the Creator,' the pope adds.

'The true custody of creation does not have anything to do with the ideologies that consider man like an accident, like a problem to eliminate.'

'God has placed man and woman and the summit of creation and has entrusted them with the earth,' Francis says. 'The design of the Creator is written in nature.'

'If we fail in this responsibility, if we do not take care of our brothers and of all creation, destruction advances,' he added.

Now...line by line let me translate:

Let's think of the nuclear arms, of the possibility to annihilate in a few instants a very high number of human beings
Nuclear arms are destructive because, obvious. This is easy to prove and it's potential to destroy human culture is high.

Let's think also of genetic manipulation, of the manipulation of life, or of the gender theory, that does not recognize the order of creation.

• Genetic manipulation runs the gamut from GMO foods to attempting "designer babies" to cloning, etc.
• Manipulation of life to serve the purpose of another is a pretty scary place. There's stuff out there about having a second kid to "harvest" bone marrow for a child sick with lukemia. While it saves the elder child, what message does it send to the second? This could lead to a breakdown of culture too (in microcosm of course).
• Gender theory that wants to forse children into one thing or another, or that does too little to affirm who the child truly is, can also be destructive in that parents abdicating their responsibility to help their child discover themselves can unravel the family structure.
• Recognizing creation means to acknowledge what we are BORN with, so those who are trans* and trans* related recognize creation in that they recognize the self they were born to be and take steps to affirm that.

With this attitude, man commits a new sin, that against God the Creator
How many times to we joke about doctors who like to "play God"? Yes, we want doctors and professionals who know what they are doing, but knowing also their limitations and how far to go with things is also part of knowing our place in creation. My place in creation is as a Trans* person who will fight for gender rights within the Catholic Church, I know that my voice is not alone, I also know that without knowing where and how to push I could get into big trouble.

The true custody of creation does not have anything to do with the ideologies that consider man like an accident, like a problem to eliminate.
I asked "Why me?" plenty of times. The answer that I have come to is "Who better than ME to be who I am?". Thinking that the combination of my genetics was an total accident is foolish, because if genetics is an accident, then so is the set of values I have, and I WILL get a well written  book of prose from a nuclear bomb.

If we fail in this responsibility, if we do not take care of our brothers and of all creation, destruction advances
Take care of our brothers and sisters and siblings of all kinds, as well as caring properly for our planet. If we don't, we risk a "nucelar bomb" of culture and planetary destruction that we already are seeing in global warming and the decline of fossil fuels, etc. Biblically, we were made "stewards" of the earth, not to "lord over" and conquer it, but to care for it.

So, really? I prefer to think that Francis is trying to encourage humanity to stop being destructive towards ourselves and towards our planet.

QuoteSo, really? I prefer to think that Francis is trying to encourage humanity to stop being destructive towards ourselves and towards our planet.

I must and been reading over many news reports from many sources, I will Conclude Your Hypothesis!

I have given everyone the benefit of the doubt with this very heated topic and been working hard to keep it open for responses like this could be made.

As with anything here on the web, never believe everything that is written to be of absolute and true word.

I said once before or made comments about the witch hunts of ages. Example of when things are taken out of context.

It is hard to understand things we do not understand and that is where society has a huge problem with acceptance.

Je Suis etres-humains, Hugs

Nous sommes toutes etres-Humaines!

I totally get you there. Too often people hear something negative because they are expecting it. I prefer to make sure I hear and understand both sides before jumping to conclusions.

I do not deny the wrongs of the past, but I want the future to be better for all.

Cheers

Well, if it makes anyone feel better, a lot of churches are teaching that Intersex people are domed to hell just for merely existing.  Even if I lived a great life, and did everything I should, and never sinned, I would still go to hell because I'm Intersex.

Quote from: Miharu Barbie on February 19, 2015, 05:45:39 PM
Hell yeah!  I'm a mushroom cloud layin' mother hmm hmm!  I'm Super Fly TNT!  I'm the Guns of the Navarone!

(apologies to Jules Winnfield.  )

Barbie- I just spit out coffee laughing from this. Pricelesss, Girl. You go. Hugs, Sheila

Every day I move closer to leaving the Church. Seems as though it's not all it's cracked up to be.

Could explain our often voiced con fusion.

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Please again keep it to the News release and not a bashing religion.

This news article is a opinion based out of total content. Written for the shack factor. Kinda like the bathroom bills are written in the news. 1 % truth the rest is sound bites with some smoke and mirrors..

Please relax.

Thanks
 

The man is protecting his flock. And he's right, I AM The Bomb!

I am very, very disappointed in everyone.


How could no-one link to this song?

I'm hopeful that Pope Francis will make a difference in the way that folk like ourselves are perceived.  I'm a Catholic convert, I used to be an Anglican, but converted after a long time spent in meditation and prayer about becoming a Catholic.  I don't really know if anyone in the parish in which I live knows my gender status as it's never been challenged.  Around five years ago I became a third order Franciscan and I live as a solitary spending time in prayer and also studying the early church as well as Coptic and Syriac versions of the New Testament.  Not surprising I suppose since I used to be a social worker.
I have a habit which I wear on special occasions, but most of the time I just dress old fashioned modest and wear a headscarf and a cross around my neck.  I didn't bother to ask anybody in the church for permission, - I just went ahead because I believe I am a child of God and God made me the way I am.  My on-going prayer is that perhaps one day the church might get the message that life is sometimes more complicated than being handed out an 'M' or an 'F' at birth.

I wonder how the pope would react to a practicing transgender witch who works in a weapons grade uranium enrichment facility?

All weapons grade uranium enriching transgender witches should report to Devlyn.      Immediately!

Hugs, Devlyn

I was hoping he was going to be more open minded, in fact he said something about being open to accept the theory of evolution... He said that he doesn't want to put himself so highly to judge gay people, if they have faith or not, and now this...

Well, there are some that do need to be defused.

What an utterly asinine and intellectually insipid comment. I doubt I'm ever going to take the world's largest Christian denomination's leader seriously ever again. These bizarre opinions of clergy and religious preachers is one of the chief reasons why I left the Eastern Orthodox Church just over six months ago.

The pope is wrong.

However, there is no evidence or accusation I know of the Pope being a pedophile.

I am providing a warning if the posts become slanderous the thread  will be locked.

Play nice everyone or this thread will get locked. Any other bashing posts in violation of the TOS will lead to my slight frame crashing down upon you from a great height.