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Slight Rant about the end (no not suicide)

Started by The_Gentleboy, March 28, 2015, 12:07:01 PM

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The_Gentleboy

Hey Guys
Im a longtime lurker, only signed up today.

Im 18, 5'11, been passing since before i knew i was tg ( yes im a lucky one - except i wasnt so lucky when i was on the other side!)
British

I came out when i was just turning 16, accepted by all bar one and he doesnt matter. Plus there were far more significant and urgent family matters at the time that me changing gender really wasnt a big deal.
I tookmy time and decided my name, told my mum and my godparents/aunties and uncles and asked their opinions, shortlisted it and then changed it. Most of my name was gender-neutral anyway so i added a male middle name and made my first name more neutral - just in case i reverted back (hopefully i wont).

And then it was £20/£30 and 10 minutes online to fill out a deed poll. and voila sorted. no issues.
Went to the bank got my name and title changed on my card - next to no issues.
Told my GP - refered me with no issues
Getting to see CAMHS - plenty of issues because nobody in Wales knows what the hell they are doing.

Last week i got my passport - no issues,
CAMHS has sent off referral - no issues apart from time

ATM im stealth at school, only those from my previous life know and they dont mind because it was always my personality to be one of the guys anyway

I just feel like ive kinda done everything. obviously my chest isnt sorted and neither are my lower regions but im not desperate for T, ive already got a muzzy and a beard (albeit very patchy)(yes its probably PCOS and all that but i dont care right now)

it feels like im playing a game on my PS3 and ive spent all this time and effort and now ive completed it - not with the best stats or anything but it feels done. Finito.

Im not asking for a spanner in the works, im glad its been resolved fast i guess i was just expecting it to be more of a journey. All i can differentiate between my two lives has been the fact that:
ive found it harder to make friends (but thats only an issue at school, ive made loads in my clubs.)
i cant shower at the gym (cos i use the males and it would be so awkward if anyone found out)
people expect me to deal with stuff and arent hugely sympathetic (cos guys dont have feelings apparently)
Femanazis (the real ones) attack me (because im male they dont know im ftm)
oh and people seem to be scared of me because of the stereotypical scary black guy (but then again i was a scary black girl as well)

Basically Im just asking is anyone else feeling similar like this is the end, or is it just me?  (sorry about it being so long)
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Julia-Madrid

Hey Gentleboy

I do like your forum name.  OK, so you're one of the people who have pretty much got through your process with not much by way of obstacles.  I can relate, and I was stunned, truly, to find that I managed to go from boy to girl in around 6 months (5'2", girl-size hands and feet etc.)  We are the fortunate ones, and we need to be aware that most of our brothers and sisters here have a much harder time.

Is it the end?  Hell, no; it's just the begnning.  Now it's time to recognise our fortune, and to reach out to others taking our journey and help them get closer to their goals.  Some of it is luck, but a lot of it has to do with sheer bloody-mindedness and focus.  We can help people toughen themselves up a little and help them deal with their challenges.

What next?  Well, it's finding a comfortable balance in your mind so that gender bigots of all types become irrelevant to you.  We trans folk come with a unique viewpoint on the gender divide, and I think we are ideally placed to serve as ambassadors for the right kind of change.  Not transgender change necessarily - gender change in general.   That doesn't mean we should become militant, but I think it does mean that we should work within our ecosystems to narrow the gender divide.  It's not true that guys don't have feelings;  they're just excellent at suppressing them visibly. 

Next?  Well, if there' s a stupid stereotype out there of the scary black guy, work on fixing this.  There are many ways to serve as an ambassador,  and since you probably still retain a goodly part of emotional intelligence from your previous persona, use it.

Is there an end to the end?  Well, actually not. We never end up anywhere; as people we simply evolve from one state to another - trust me on this.  I've been wondering where I would end up for over 20 years, and all I can say is that the journey has been a lot of fun, and I'm far from ending anything, except for my transition, which will hopefully reach a nominal end in the next few months.  And after that?  Life as usual, like I'm doing it now.  Roller-blading;  golf maybe; friends in my house for dinner; return to studying French; taking a psychology degree to add to my previous technical one...  No end in sight yet...

Maybe I've missed the point of your "slight rant" - it's known that we trans folk hit some kind of existential question mark when we find that the hard stuff is done, but there's a lot more down the line to bring the right kind of meaning, don't you think?

Hugs
Julia
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HeyTrace19

Quote from: Julia-Madrid on March 28, 2015, 01:26:26 PM

Is there an end to the end?  Well, actually not. We never end up anywhere; as people we simply evolve from one state to another - trust me on this. 

Yes, what Julia-Madrid says is true.  Life just keeps rolling along and we adapt to whatever comes next.  Will these things be gender-related for you?  Who knows?  If you feel you are just moving along in your life, then good!  Live it to the fullest!  Not every person has the same experience, trans* or otherwise, and life shouldn't need to de difficult or tumultuous to experience progress.  Use your life to make the world a better place.  Enjoy your situation...
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The_Gentleboy

Its nice to know Im not alone in feeling like this. Your advice is fantastic Julia-Madrid - the thing is i really dont want to be a posterboy for this. I honestly view it as a slight inconvenience that ive had to deal with. But I will try and help others. It sounds like you're rather well accomplished (not to mention pretty damn hot if you dont mind me saying). Guess ive been so trans-focused that i forgot about life in general.
Quote from: HeyTrace19 on March 28, 2015, 01:54:20 PM
Yes, what Julia-Madrid says is true.  Life just keeps rolling along and we adapt to whatever comes next.  Will these things be gender-related for you?  Who knows?  If you feel you are just moving along in your life, then good!  Live it to the fullest!  Not every person has the same experience, trans* or otherwise, and life shouldn't need to de difficult or tumultuous to experience progress.  Use your life to make the world a better place.  Enjoy your situation...


HeyTrace 19, you also speak pretty good words of wisdom. Thanks as well. I guess Ill just have to adapt and learn. :)
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Julia-Madrid

Gentleboy, you are a sweetie, and flattery will get you everywhere, <blush> :D

Yeah, becoming the posterperson has also bothered me a little, but I work in a company of 120,000 people, and apparently I'm the only transgender person, so I do want to do my bit to reduce ignorance.  But... when I went to a company meeting six months ago and people who didn't know me clearly didn't realise a thing, it did make me ask how much poster I really want to be in.

Go do your ambassador thang...!

Hugs
Julia
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Auroramarianna

awwww lol! I am 18 also and can relate but I am from the other side :)

It has been really difficult. I don't like when people say we are lucky for already being feminine or masculine pre-transition. It's a bit trivializing and i've  struggled soooo much for not fitting the "norm" and being an outcast. I also don't have a very good social life right now. I'm close to 5'6 in height, with a slim body and femmey voice, and then my mannerisms, personality, throws it off for most people and they think I'm weird :( it's not a pleasant feeling. I'm so glad you have your parents' acceptance! Mine don't really accept me. Oh and I never, ever, go to male locker rooms or shower next to other guy! BIG dysphoria thing, I guess, and urinals, eeeeeeeeeew, gross, lol! I never went one and am not planning on going.

I feel you, I'm not threatening, most people just think I'm ridiculously femmey, ugh, and it gets to me and I wish the pain would stop. I just want HRT, a bunch of clothes, SRS and then I can live my life and hopefully land a cute guy and get laid, lol JK about the last part!!!

x
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sam1234

You might run into some problems with the guys, though not major ones. I've always thought that was in part because a lot of the development of character and how we relate to each other happens during puberty, and being an F to M, you obviously couldn't go into the locker rooms where some of that stuff occurs or even just hanging out and doing the normal young guy braggart talking that goes on. Guys tend to act differently if there is a girl in the group regardless of how much of a tomboy she may be. I found that part a bit difficult at first and had to figure it out.

There are little things that you might miss out on as far as behavior and language, but as you get older, that doesn't matter as much. What is hard is going places with a bunch of guys, say hiking, camping or fishing where there are no available outhouses. That has kept me from doing those things. I have most of the bottom work done, but not the urinary hook up and lets face it, you can't say you have to crap every time you need to take a leak. There are devices to help with standing urination that the folks here have helped me out with, but they do take practice, and i sure wouldn't want to be in close proximity to another guy since they don't look like much more than a plastic tube. It doesn't seem to bother guys to walk up to a couple of trees three or four feet apart and both pee. Not that they would look over, but i sure wouldn't take the chance. 

You'll work out the little things. Consider yourself lucky that your family was so accepting. Mine was as well, and though that may make you feel like it was less of a journey, its beats the heck out of having your folks throw you out.

sam1234
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The_Gentleboy

Julia I'm only stating the obvious you are drop dead gorgeous <wink> - Im glad youre trying to eliminate ignorance at work, the only thing id be a little concerned with would be possibility of accidentally aggravating the situation and then ending up with a lot of stressful problems and idiots who start using it against you to hit below the belt. Although I have been in many conversations where people have began talking about trans issues (not knowing im trans) and theyve all been very knowledgeable, respectful and accommodating. Hopefully many more will turn like that and we'll stop being circus freaks :)
Massive hugs back
Gentleboy
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Julia-Madrid

Hey Gentleboy

For me, since I transitioned at work and have an international role, it was kind of hard to avoid people knowing.  But your point is absolutely clear.  My main point of approach was to get relatively ignorant HR groups to understand trans issues.  Depending on countries there could be a total lack of knowledge in these groups.  But it's not a case of actively promoting the cause or being "in your face" about it. Rather it's using opportunities, as they spontaneously arise, to help educate.

We do what we can...

Hugs
Julia
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The_Gentleboy

Hey Auroramarianna, I honestly believe it is harder on the other side, mainly because of 'men are meant to be macho' ideals and how being female is still a second class ticket in many places. Perhaps it isnt "lucky" in all respects, pre-transition I wasnt particularly beautiful and Im not essentially that right now but I feel i look a lot better. My social life isnt amazing, I literally have to rely on my mum to drive me to my clubs etc because I got so worried about how the world would react to my change, alongside other issues, that i shut myself up away from the world. I still cant open my bedroom curtains in the morning but Im slowly getting out of it, I managed to walk to my dentist in the neighbouring town yesterday!

I do know what its like not to have a parent accept you but i couldnt possibly conceive losing both, in all fairness I never particularly got on with my father and he lives far away so i literally just cut him off because i really didnt need his opinion on what he thought of me and what his church thought of me. I hope that in time theyll accept you and love you for who you are. Perhaps there is some way you can tone down the femme-ness? It sounds like its causing a lot of problems and internal pain. I think an outlet/hobby of some sort would possibly relieve some of it and then hopefully you'd make some friends and rebalance your life. I cant help with HRT & SRS, but clothes I may be of some assistance: Personally my clothes have always been male/unisex par underwear but when I first began transition a lot of my clothes had connatations of being the other sex ie my turquoise skinny jeans werent usually worn by guys or my normal-looking t-shirt had my street-dance crew's name on it (and it was an all-female troupe), and i came out around my birthday in January so I had birthday & xmas clothes. I basically sold them on ebay (brand-new/nearly new clothes) and gumtree (odds and ends and old stuff) and made about £150 which i spent on getting new clothes. Also charity shops are good, and friends/cousins who dont want certain clothes are even better! Just be aware that your parents may take those clothes and get rid of them  :-\ (im assuming you still live with them) And as for the cute guy - hes out there somewhere waiting for you :)



Quote from: sam1234 on April 03, 2015, 10:55:49 AM
You might run into some problems with the guys, though not major ones. I've always thought that was in part because a lot of the development of character and how we relate to each other happens during puberty, and being an F to M, you obviously couldn't go into the locker rooms where some of that stuff occurs or even just hanging out and doing the normal young guy braggart talking that goes on. Guys tend to act differently if there is a girl in the group regardless of how much of a tomboy she may be. I found that part a bit difficult at first and had to figure it out.

There are little things that you might miss out on as far as behavior and language, but as you get older, that doesn't matter as much. What is hard is going places with a bunch of guys, say hiking, camping or fishing where there are no available outhouses. That has kept me from doing those things. I have most of the bottom work done, but not the urinary hook up and lets face it, you can't say you have to crap every time you need to take a leak. There are devices to help with standing urination that the folks here have helped me out with, but they do take practice, and i sure wouldn't want to be in close proximity to another guy since they don't look like much more than a plastic tube. It doesn't seem to bother guys to walk up to a couple of trees three or four feet apart and both pee. Not that they would look over, but i sure wouldn't take the chance. 

You'll work out the little things. Consider yourself lucky that your family was so accepting. Mine was as well, and though that may make you feel like it was less of a journey, its beats the heck out of having your folks throw you out.

sam1234


Hey Sam1234, Ive actually been in the male locker rooms several times, gym and sports lessons and 90% of my friends do not know my past. I basically developed a strategy in which im already changed for my lesson and everyone observes it as part of my lazy nature, I just change my jacket and trainers and im good to go. They dont question my lacker of showers in public because after the gym/sports many of us go home for our showers so we dont miss the bus.

I was aware of the tomboy issue back when i considered myself a tomboy and realised that the guys did treat me a little differently but I can clearly tell the difference between that and how they treat me now. It helps that those that do know my past I do not do sports with, and if that ever were the case I would change my timetable to avoid them feeling awkward because thats what friends do.

I actually study language and behaviour. Although complex looking it really falls into 2/3 catergories for teen guys: be bold/brassy/loud/cocky or be nice/shy/reserved or be a mix of those two with your dominant side being the latter. If all else fails just be you with an antisocial streak. This obviously depends on your ability to pass.

As for hiking/fishing etc etc. Firstly I dont really do that, and when I do, do it its with a mix of males and females. When we go camping (again a mix of boys and girls) theres always a block of toilets which the other guys use for taking a leak, so i do the same. The only thing i ever get a little concerned with on these outings are the gay guys, I have a bit of a femme aura around me, so id have a slight problem if they ever tried to dive into my pants only to find not quite what they were wanting to find :S ;D . So usually flirting with the girls tends to get the message across to them. I know im hugely lucky because my family accept me and a few issues definately does beat being thrown out.

I hope all your bottom work goes well.

Gentleboy
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sam1234

Gentleboy,
It sounds like you have given a lot of thought to what you want to do and how to do it. If you have the guts to change in a guy's locker room, then you already have balls.

Having your parents supporting you can make all the difference in the world. Mine were cool about it too, and you're right, we are very lucky on that account. I have not doubt that you will get through this.

sam1234
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