I would be interested now that her running for POTUS is looking pretty solid (as if it were not before  ), any info people in the know have on this subject would be appreciated.  Views on legislation or her own particpation while in office etc..

P.S.  Because this is an almost exclusive political news thing, I placed this here rather than discussions.  If anyone thinks discussion is better......well ok by me.   Dani

I don't trust her to take a solid stand on much of anything to be honest. She's a carpet bagger...

Quote from: marsh monster on April 11, 2015, 01:09:39 PM
I don't trust her to take a solid stand on much of anything to be honest. She's a carpet bagger...

I thought carpet baggers came down south from the north?  Didn't she start in Arkansas?  But honestly when you consider and compare the likely republican field who do you expect will be more LGBT friendly?  There is no doubt in my mind but ideology often trumps common sense in that so many people vote for those that will deny their rights.  Go figure;-)

Quote from: marsh monster on April 11, 2015, 01:09:39 PM
I don't trust her to take a solid stand on much of anything to be honest. She's a carpet bagger...

I'm with you. I'm sort of hoping another scandal bigger than the emails comes up soon so someone else can take the front runner position.

That being said, it was under her watch that the state department changed their policy to make it easier for trans people to change their gender marker on passports.

Quote from: Tessa James on April 11, 2015, 01:16:01 PM
I thought carpet baggers came down south from the north?  Didn't she start in Arkansas?  But honestly when you consider and compare the likely republican field who do you expect will be more LGBT friendly?  There is no doubt in my mind but ideology often trumps common sense in that so many people vote for those that will deny their rights.  Go figure;-)

There's also a second definition.


Currently, I think our economy needs a lot of work, along with some major reform in our government. Where candidates stand on that is what I'm more interested in this election cycle. A few more rights aren't going to be much if too many people are having to continue to struggle just to keep the lights on.

Personally, I have little faith in most of our current politicians from any party, but I am not going to just vote for someone on what they might do if the political winds are right for them where a small segment of our population is concerned. At least not right now so long as so many things are wrong overall.

Quote from: marsh monster on April 11, 2015, 01:09:39 PM
I don't trust her to take a solid stand on much of anything to be honest. She's a carpet bagger...

Our nation can't afford the possibility of another 4 or 8 years like the last 7 years.  Our position in the world has been drastically diminished and the separation of powers in the Constitution has been drastically distorted in favor of the executive branch.  Our individual rights are rapidly being denied by the government. If the current trend continues much longer our country could easily become a third world dictatorship.

Sorry, I made a mistake when I moved the post.  Please accept my apologies. The link is corrected.

Quote from: Cynthia Michelle on April 11, 2015, 02:27:05 PM
Sorry, I made a mistake when I moved the post.  Please accept my apologies. The link is corrected.

I wondered about that.  When you lock a thread you usually identify yourself and note they reason for locking it.  Everybody is entitled to make a mistake occasionally.

Quote from: Tessa James on April 11, 2015, 01:16:01 PM
I thought carpet baggers came down south from the north?  Didn't she start in Arkansas? 

Actually she grew up in Illinois and went to Wellesley College and Yale.  I think that technically qualifies.  She didn't move to Arkansas until she married Bill.

With that said coming from a northern state doesn't seem to me to be a strike against her.  Being the first female board member of Walmart on the hand says much more about her views.  Personally I would prefer Elizabeth Warren, she seems much more interested in helping people, not just the rich.

Anyway just my two cents,

Paige

It took me a few minutes to figure out what I had done wrong. The direct to was sent to Politics under Admin and not General. Marsh Monster sent me a PM and gave me a clue. I followed up the clue and it showed me I have sent the post to Admin Political and not General Political. Again sorry for the confusion.


This is a great thread. I usually do not post in the political forum.

I voted for Hillary in the primary when she ran last for POTUS. I think she was the best candidate running then. I do not like some of the potential candidates positions running or about to run now. One from Florida (Rubio) is openly anti LGBT.

Until we have the right to buy a home, rent an apartment, buy a hot dog and work and be open in the whole country we are oppressed. When a fraction of society is openly oppressed then society as a whole is the problem and feel entitled to oppress. If they oppress me today they may oppress you tomorrow.

just my 5 cents worth.

http://tytnetwork.tumblr.com/post/104431719797/micdotcom-these-7-congresspeople-just-killed

It is with trepidation that I enter into the political minefield as this is the one place where i have experienced the most personal flaming on this site.  Let us please be civil and attempt to create more light than heat.  The above link was posted here last year and it is but one example of the republican POTUS field and the party position on civil rights for LGBTQIA people.  If it is the economy, then how can one dismiss the Bush decade that featured the biggest recession/depression of our lifetime?  It is the current administration that helped to bring about the current recovery and lowest unemployment rate in many years.  It is easy to demonize all politicians but this is a country where you can be a citizen legislator.  I have been an elected public official since 1993 and suggest we consider that we can "be the change we want to see."  Get involved!

I won't vote for another Clinton any more than I will vote for another Bush. We don't need dynastic presidencies in this country built on name recognition alone.

We have 300 million Americans I can bet some can do just as good of a job being president, as those two families or even better. Like Elizabeth Warren.

Bill Clinton signed DOMA. That's enough for me to never even consider another Clinton.

I'd go for warren, at least I wouldn't feel like I was voting for the lesser of two evils then. But so far, she says she won't run.

The current administration is not at all responsible for any "recovery" that has happened. In fact, there has been no recovery at all. There HAS been a major shift in definitions by the cbc, and who counts as unemployed. The economy is growing slower then the rate of inflation. The value of the dollar (a much more accurate reflection of economic health) has gone down nearly 20% since 2009.

[Bashing Republicans removed]

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See, the trick is to ignore the rhetoric/lies/propaganda politicians spew (it is their goal to tell you anything that will get you to vote for them) and pay attention to their actions.

Once elected, there is no functional difference between most democrats and Republicans.

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Quote from: Susan on July 27, 2006, 07:45:44 PM
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* Advocating the separation or exclusion of one or more group from under the Transgender umbrella term
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* Posting any messages that engages in personal attacks and/or is actively or passively aggressive whatever the provocation.

Enough said!

You can talk about policies and the pros and cons, but  you cannot come in and bash or flame people or groups period.

This thread is about Hillary Clinton and transgender rights.  Let's stick to that please.

Hillary has been outspoken on some occasions about LGBT rights while working as Secretary of State.  Most of this revolves around the fact that other countries around the world are so backwards with respect to this.  For example, laws in other countries that make sexual orientation or gender identity a crime.

Based upon what I can find, they are actually very supportive of transgender rights and are largely against discrimination due to race or gender of any kind.  Although Clinton signed DOMA, he has mentioned that he didn't think it was the right thing to do, that it was unconstitutional, and he would have been unable to veto it.  When he signed it, he put a note on it that indicated that he did not think it would be constitutional if it allowed for discrimination.  He has also been outspoken about overturning it lately, claiming that it now actually causes discrimination.

Quote from: Deinewelt on April 11, 2015, 05:57:19 PM
Hillary has been outspoken on some occasions about LGBT rights while working as Secretary of State.  Most of this revolves around the fact that other countries around the world are so backwards with respect to this.  For example, laws in other countries that make sexual orientation or gender identity a crime.

Based upon what I can find, they are actually very supportive of transgender rights and are largely against discrimination due to race or gender of any kind.  Although Clinton signed DOMA, he has mentioned that he didn't think it was the right thing to do, that it was unconstitutional, and he would have been unable to veto it.  When he signed it, he put a note on it that indicated that he did not think it would be constitutional if it allowed for discrimination.  He has also been outspoken about overturning it lately, claiming that it now actually causes discrimination.

Actions speak louder than words.

The actions of not only the Clintons but also Barney Frank pretty much tells me that they are all lip service about trans rights, and only up until fairly recently, gay rights too. ENDA should have been pushed through when there was a super majority. The fact that we can't even get an ENDA bill passed and signed in a heavily democratic controlled state like New York speaks volumes. This is real for me because right now I am vulnerable as I work in New York.

BTW my employer has been extremely accommodating about me and has a strong non discrimination policy.  in no way are they aligned with "progressive" causes. They simply value their employees and their lives inside and outside work. It's a choice I made to work for them. They have treated me well.

FACT: the biggest wins for LGBT have been in the courts, thanks to the hard work of organizations such as lambda legal. I support them and their mission.

FACT: PR is what won it and will win it for same sex marriage. Humanizing gay people helped a lot. Seeing an old lesbian couple on the court steps won hearts and minds. Seeing people like Laverne cox and Jazz Jennings will help us. But also seeing non passable trans women and men in a good light as good citizens will help too. Shows like OITNB and transparent help a lot. Give it time.

I am a libertarian for a very good reason. I believe everyone has the right to be left alone by the Government. Reminds me of the sun and the wind fable. Kindness wins. Amazing how so many people who decry war will have no problem with and advocate a government putting its boot on the throat of its own citizens. I think any government force is despicable.

Just out of curiosity, in what way do you feel that the government has put a boot on your throat recently?  I hear this a lot, but never hear an explanation.  I am sincerely interested, not mounting an attack.