Quote from: iKate on April 18, 2015, 07:37:58 PM
Was she AMAB?

No one with CAIS, or Ccomplete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome) is ever born male.  Their bodies can't use any of the testosterone that their bodies make.  They are born and raised as girls.

For what it is worth, you can request a SIL or Status information letter and use that instead of registering for the draft.

i wish there was a way to get out of it -.- though i know by the time i even get called, the fighting would be over but still, who knows what they would do next

Quote from: ftmax on April 18, 2015, 12:57:51 PM
I don't think it's required for MTFs to fill out the exemption form, but that might make you feel a little better about it?

No, actually it's even worst, because that's practically just for ftm guys, who would be seen as "women" from this discriminatory program and are not required to register, while I am because assigned male at birth.

Well, I guess I wasn't registered yet, because I needed to for my fasfa application for financial aid, and I had to push the register me thingy, so yeah... I guess, I am registered now, and I feel super bad about it. Again, even if there would never be going to be a draft ever again, it's just the principle, why are trans women required to register, and even if I was to change my gender marker to female, they say on the website that they need all the people to register who were assigned male at birth.

yea and even if you change you marker legally, they will still get you. even if you put F on the application, they run you through the system and thats how they get you. sometimes i wonder if privacy really does exist -.-

You actually are forced to register even if ou are an illegal immigrant here, so me having a green card and being considrred american resident then it's not any less than that, but you know even if this was in Italy (where I was born), it's not about the fact that I don't want to fight to protect something, well first of all, I wouldn't want to, because I am a pacifist, it's the principle that trans women are technically considered men because of the assigned male at birth clause.

And I don't have no freedom, it's either you do this, or you have no way to go to college.

Quote from: Serena ♡ on April 18, 2015, 11:36:14 PM
You actually are forced to register even if ou are an illegal immigrant here, so me having a green card and being considrred american resident then it's not any less than that, but you know even if this was in Italy (where I was born), it's not about the fact that I don't want to fight to protect something, well first of all, I wouldn't want to, because I am a pacifist, it's the principle that trans women are technically considered men because of the assigned male at birth clause.

And I don't have no freedom, it's either you do this, or you have no way to go to college.

You can. You just can't get federal student aid.

Quote from: Echo Alcestis on April 18, 2015, 11:35:13 PM
yea and even if you change you marker legally, they will still get you. even if you put F on the application, they run you through the system and thats how they get you. sometimes i wonder if privacy really does exist -.-

It doesn't. Snowden should have showed you that.

Quote from: iKate on April 18, 2015, 11:38:22 PM
It doesn't. Snowden should have showed you that.

seriously? dang it all. i hate our government sometimes. actually scratch that, hate is to strong. i strongly dislike our government. i should really be asleep right now. working the graveyard shift tomorrow.

Increasingly it's ourselves. We walk around with portable GPS trackers and share so much information about ourselves to complete strangers.

Quote from: iKate on April 18, 2015, 11:37:52 PM
You can. You just can't get federal student aid.

No I can't afford college. Here in the us is too expensive, and even if it wasn't, it still is for me.

Quote from: iKate on April 18, 2015, 11:42:38 PM
Increasingly it's ourselves. We walk around with portable GPS trackers and share so much information about ourselves to complete strangers.

in the name of the anime "welcome to NHK" i call conspiracy xD joking. dont need to think of those theories right now.

Quote from: Serena ♡ on April 18, 2015, 11:43:09 PM
No I can't afford college. Here in the us is too expensive, and even if it wasn't, it still is for me.

Local community colleges are very low cost. However I think state run ones require selective service.

i go to community and i ad to register. its the financial aid that requires you to register because your getting government grants to pay for your tuition, books and classes. but yes, kate is right, community college is a good route. many people go to community for 2 years than transfer, seriously reducing the cost of the 4 year college 

Here's the thing though - say you register and can show that you are MtF undergoing medical care for transition. Guess what? Current service regulations will not let you be a member of the service under any circumstances anyway.

That may change in the future but we'll see.

Quote from: LizMarie on April 19, 2015, 01:11:24 PM
Here's the thing though - say you register and can show that you are MtF undergoing medical care for transition. Guess what? Current service regulations will not let you be a member of the service under any circumstances anyway.

That may change in the future but we'll see.

That's not the problem, the problem is that they are using our genitals and the assigned at birth to force us to register to being with, if they won't let us be a member of the service, then why force us to register?

The laws were drafted before transgender rights were a thing, or even on lawmakers' radar.  I would guess that they are due for an overhaul soon.

You must register because it is currently the law on the books.   Failure to do so can only work against you, and is illegal under federal law.

Quote from: Serena ♡ on April 19, 2015, 01:14:32 PMif they won't let us be a member of the service, then why force us to register?

It's the same reasoning as why someone who is obviously disabled and would get classified as 4-F anyway must register.

your right its such bull and infuriates me just thinking about it! the sent me a letter saying they singed me up or something already so I didn't have to or I probably wouldn't....America is such a "free" country isn't it?? Support the troops?? um no....

I had a couple of thoughts about Selective Service's policy (I believe it's merely their policy and not in the law or based on a court decision) determining gender strictly by what's on the original birth certificate:

1. What would the registration rules be for someone whose sex was left blank on the original birth certificate or was not classified as either male or female at birth?

2. I thought of the ultimate scenario for a court test to this SS policy (and possibly the male-only registration requirement to begin with): Someone who has unambiguous male genitalia, XY chromosomes, and identifies as male, but "Female" was mistakenly put on his birth certificate. Under their current rules such a person should not have to register (even if his BC was later corrected, just as they ignore transgender peoples' amended BCs) but the SS will likely insist he should. If he were to take it to court, one of three things would probably result: 1) if they uphold the policy he'd be exempt (along with any other males shown as female by mistake on their original BC), 2) the policy dealing with non-cut-and-dried gender would have to be modified, or 3) rule that the male-only requirement is unconstitutional (especially possible if women are allowed to serve in combat, as that was why the male-only rule was upheld originally).