Quote from: iKate on April 25, 2015, 08:36:08 PM
Ok I will say it.

I liked that Jenner was not the stereotype of an atheist liberal democrat, and I think he's a gun owner too. He said he was a republican and a Christian. I think that is great because I want to see all political parties and the churches accept us. We won't get the fringe nutters but we will win over the middle. Look, I'm a libertarian and unashamed Christian and gun owner myself (both have nothing to do with each other btw). I thought some of my friends I know through local 2nd amendment advocacy organizations would think I am a freak or something. But I've had an unexpected acceptance from a good few of them. One even wants to encourage me to be an advocate for LGBT and 2nd amendment issues, such as what pink pistols does. I'm honestly not sure I want to do that but it goes to show that we are winning over people. Sure I lost a few friends who couldn't stop with the gossip but my other friends have been respectful at least to my face. They're having trouble with pronouns occasionally and one has a fixation on genitals but I'm giving them time and I'm hoping we can do something positive.

I am very liberal but I too liked that Jenner was like, "I'm a conservative, I believe in the constitution." Because maybe, just maybe, that will help make this not a political issue in the eyes of the people watching.  I feel like those lines being drawn in the sand can actually slow progress.

Quote from: Sabrina on April 25, 2015, 09:11:54 PM
Last night my mom watched that interview with Bruce Jenner last night and now understands what I'm going through. She is more supportive than ever after watching. There is hope for me yet. After all these years of never truly seeing my own future, it has finally revealed itself. It is good and filled with light. Have faith my sisters, the light will shine on us all.

There always was hope, for you and for all of us. If the interview helps others to understand us, the future will be better than ever!

*hugs*

*high five*

Congrats. Wonder if my father will watch it? Highly unlikely, me thinks.

Sorry, I'm going to merge this with the main Bruce Jenner thread. To many threads on more or less the same subject gets confusing.

  My parents watched the program and enjoyed it.  I think for my own mother it helped her even more to hear someone else expressing a lot of the same feelings and experiences that I've tried to explain to her.  Mom tried today to explain the Jenner story to my grandmother but the poor old woman had never even heard of the concept of gender transition and was completely at a loss to comprehend it!  I'd been hoping I could come out to my grandmother soon so that she'd have some warning about my FFS and transition but it sounds like I'll have much more of a problem explaining it to her than I will having her accept it if she does eventually 'get it'.

Quote from: BunnyBee on April 25, 2015, 09:23:12 PM
I am very liberal but I too liked that Jenner was like, "I'm a conservative, I believe in the constitution." Because maybe, just maybe, that will help make this not a political issue in the eyes of the people watching.  I feel like those lines being drawn in the sand can actually slow progress.

Agreed! Not for nothing I don't care which party supports us. I just want us to be respected and to be quite honest, left alone. I just want to live my life on my own terms. All political parties can and should take note.

Diane was definitely shocked though.

Another thought. Jenner says s/he is a woman, but I get the feeling that s/he may end up being non-binary. I just get that vibe. Anyone else?

It wouldn't surprise me considering all the family ties that she is surround with, but I don't get that feeling. I feel she will transition at least to a certain extent.
Mariah

Quote from: iKate on April 25, 2015, 10:10:25 PM
Another thought. Jenner says s/he is a woman, but I get the feeling that s/he may end up being non-binary. I just get that vibe. Anyone else?

Quote from: Mariah2014 on April 25, 2015, 10:51:07 PM
It wouldn't surprise me considering all the family ties that she is surround with, but I don't get that feeling. I feel she will transition at least to a certain extent.
Mariah

Oh, I most certainly do see transition, but remember some people start off as MTF then go MTA or something else.

Tis true and that interview in many ways left us with more questions than answers that only time can tell if Ms Jenner decides for us to know those things.
Mariah

Quote from: iKate on April 25, 2015, 10:52:13 PM
Oh, I most certainly do see transition, but remember some people start off as MTF then go MTA or something else.

Watching the recording now here in Aussie...

Awkward, my SO wants to watch it, just waiting for a question that may force a discussion...

Ummm keep you posted girls... Not ready financially yet!!!

I am so nervous sitting here... Maybe it's my time?

L Katy

Quote from: katrinaw on April 26, 2015, 08:31:55 AM
Watching the recording now here in Aussie...

Awkward, my SO wants to watch it, just waiting for a question that may force a discussion...

Ummm keep you posted girls... Not ready financially yet!!!

I am so nervous sitting here... Maybe it's my time?

L Katy

I feel you on that, I came out to my Sweetie last June, she still has some trouble with it. She recorded the interview, but we haven't watched it yet. I have heard about it here and elsewhere. I'm very concerned that she'll listen to it, see how we differ and, once again, tell me, "you weren't like that, you're not trans."

Quote from: Ms Grace on April 25, 2015, 09:27:23 PM
Congrats. Wonder if my father will watch it? Highly unlikely, me thinks.

Sorry, I'm going to merge this with the main Bruce Jenner thread. To many threads on more or less the same subject gets confusing.

I thought the same thing when I watched it. My father being the only person in my family who hasn't accept me as my true self.

My wife and I watched the interview last night (on TiVO.) I was delighted how well it was done. I though Diane Sawyer did an excellent job and they did try to explain things and they even had a website displayed to help people understand the terms that weren't clear in the interview. I think a lot of positive things will come from this especially considering Jenner spans across several generations. Jenner is well liked, a wonderful personality and seems very realistic. (Can't say some much for the Kardashians family, but I have to applaud there reactions to this for the most part.) At first I was upset they female pronouns were not used nor was their female name, however once Jenner explained that this was the last interview as Bruce and kind of a farewell to Bruce, it kind it made more sense.

I do feel that Jenner is holding out on a lot for the upcoming show which seems to be a little bit of a sell out, but that is Jenner's source of income, so it's not any different that someone writing a book about their transition. As long is the show/documentary is done tastefully (and I expect it will), then I think it will be great.

So many things about the interview really hit home. While all of our journeys are different there is a lot of commonality. At least now I think people who took the time to understand the interview now have a better and more realistic view for us that are transgender.

Quote from: Rainbow Dash on April 23, 2015, 10:14:40 PM
I just want this Jenner business over and done with. I'm tired of seeing it all over the place.  just think, every time someone comes out, how many times will people say, "Oh, so you're like Bruce Jenner?"

This is a bit of a double-edged sword.  I'm "like Bruce Jenner" in that I've lived a normal, healthy, and productive life as an athletic and fairly butch male... but I no longer feel right in the body I was born in.  If his^* approach to this is good as his transition continues, people will empathize with him and the process he's going through.  His experience has some similarity to my experience, so people will have an easier time transferring that empathy to my situation.

Haters are gonna hate, and some people will "assume that he's doing it for publicity."  Those are people who are jealous of his fame, and cannot even conceive of the reality that is gender dysphoria... so when they see the evidence before them, their empathy responses use the strongest neural pathways that resonate with the situation.  They don't understand what they haven't felt.  Explaining this stuff to some people is like explaining colors to the blind.

^* According to the articles I've read, Bruce still prefers male pronouns.  I'm going to respect that.

I didn't watch the interview because I don't have TV and I don't really like Jenner so, I didn't bother with it.  But that said, it's definitely true that not every transgender woman is super feminine; just like cisgender women, there can be incredible variation in identity and presentation.  Jenner may end up non-binary, or super butch, or super girly, or any combination of these things, and each one is totally valid. ^_^

The guns and conservatism, though... (Hence me not caring to watch).

Quote from: Dee Walker on April 26, 2015, 10:16:07 AM
I feel you on that, I came out to my Sweetie last June, she still has some trouble with it. She recorded the interview, but we haven't watched it yet. I have heard about it here and elsewhere. I'm very concerned that she'll listen to it, see how we differ and, once again, tell me, "you weren't like that, you're not trans."

Do you think it would help to preemptively tell her that trans people don't have a one size fits all story?

Quote from: Daisy Jane on April 26, 2015, 05:59:52 PM
Do you think it would help to preemptively tell her that trans people don't have a one size fits all story?

so far it hasn't. I must have told her that half a dozen times. She tends to forget parts of things that disturb her. She remembers a little more each time. Just takes patience.

Well we watched, I was nervously ready, it didn't come yet, I checked, I was flushed in anticipation... In some ways wish she had raised the question with me... After all, hard to hide changes... I think looking at the show has probably stirred thoughts...
As far as Ms Jenner, and I've never really watched the Kardashians, although I've caught odd parts of it... My thoughts are that she did not really do much more (and I did miss bits) than explain how we all come to the same point in our lives... However she won't be able to hide from the entourage of press and TV that will hound her. Still unsure of whether the outcomes will be a massive positive for the rest of the community or not... I know we all desire a really positive outcome.

Dee thanks for your comment on last June and current position, maybe she might surprise you? I was surprised that my nearest and dearest did not cast any caustic comments this time... Which is a first, but I think also may be my signal... Come-on job offers, need that income 

L Katy

The impact from that interview is what I would have expect so far. Clearly my friends are seeing comments that I'm not from people not on my list on facebook in regards to it and as result comments in regards to me because 2 of them took a huge stand without mentioning my name directly.
Mariah

Quote from: Ian68 on April 26, 2015, 04:58:01 PM
I didn't watch the interview because I don't have TV and I don't really like Jenner so, I didn't bother with it.  But that said, it's definitely true that not every transgender woman is super feminine; just like cisgender women, there can be incredible variation in identity and presentation.  Jenner may end up non-binary, or super butch, or super girly, or any combination of these things, and each one is totally valid. ^_^

The guns and conservatism, though... (Hence me not caring to watch).

There really wasn't any discussion of those subjects...Bruce did mention guns once, and looked quickly to one side (suggesting to me that he had guns down the hallway or similar), and Diane asked if he was a Republican, to which he dramatically looked to one side, then the other, then back to her and said in a low voice, "Yes."

He also mentioned that he liked the idea of having a "Tom-boy" feminine style.

I watched it with my local relatives, and everyone liked it. I liked especially that Diane (the host) mentioned "pronouns are very important." I also liked how Bruce shared what he was thinking in the image of him getting a Gold medal, and other times in his life when he seemed to be on top of the world, but one can catch quick glimpses of a great internal sadness. As we know, there is severe emotional turmoil (angst?) in wrestling with "should I transition? Am I a man? Am I a woman? What about my wife, family, job/income source, reputation, etc?" So much to think about and agonize over! It is literally to the core of a person's Being...and this, cis-people simply do not understand. But seeing a real person, a "hero" too, talk about these things with tears flowing...I appreciated it, since I don't cry when I'm in "teaching" mode.

It was my impression that this was Bruce's public goodbye, kind of like Bilbo's goodbye in LOTR..."I bid you all a very fond farewell." [whispers to Frodo] "Goodbye." Sometime in the next year or so we'll be introduced to Ms Jenner, whose name has not been revealed yet. He did suggest coyly that SRS may happen in the next year.

Posting from the desert, got sick of my brother, dad and his friend finally. Now they are blowing stuff up, but thankfully done talking about the LGBT stuff.

Haven't seen the interview myself, but it already has affected me. My youngest brother saw it yesterday morning I think, and I guess he was confused on the idea of trans. Which sparked my dad, brother, and surprisingly my aunt to talk pretty negative about trans people, finishing with something along the lines of only rich, mentally ill people being trans.

Then the conversation continued today, and mixed with politics, was bad enough that I walked away and emailed my friend about it.

Now I am pretty thankful I didn't come out ever. My family would probably tolerate me being trans, but I shall wait now until I know for sure it is safe. Thankful for the whole thing with Bruce because it has revealed my family's opinions, and given me a possible chance to come out safely in the future.

Now to go charge my phone and hope they are done with the explosions.... Really don't want to have someone go to the hospital again this trip...