Hi all,
         Have you ever pondered what our purpose is in the world ?
Where do GID people fit in the grand scheme of things ?.

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This topic is  NOT about what causes it. Is NOT about GID group A people are better than group B people. Is NOT about woe is me, why me. Is NOT about I had GRS and I'm not GID. You were GID at one time, or you wouldn't have had GRS.

As I understand it, GID means you ARE or WERE not happy as your born gender, current gender, or being a bit of both.

Whew, now that I got that out of the way to explain the topic and prevent a gender topic opinion war .


What are your thoughts.............



                                            Jennifer

Quote from: Jennifer01 on November 15, 2007, 10:54:18 PM
         Have you ever pondered what our purpose is in the world ?
Where do GID people fit in the grand scheme of things ?.

I don't really want to fit into "the grand scheme of things," and especially not as a "GID person."

In fact, my purpose is... was... precisely to NOT do that, to lose that baggage and just be Kate. No purpose. No schemes, lol.

My entire purpose for four decades was to find a way to be a girl. I'm sorta worn out from the whole quest now, lol. My dragon is slain (actually, she just hugged me, but whatever), and now I just wanna go home and appreciate the treasures I found

~Kate~

I believe that our purpose in the world is to teach people the Christ's Second Commandment:  Love your neighbor as yourself.  (No matter how one's particular religion phrases the concept.)

So our purpose is to let people practice unconditional love.

Robyn

My guess would be population control.

Don't hate me for this, but I don't think we exist for some "purpose".  It's a birth defect.  Its like saying people with a cleft palate exist for some special purpose.  Biologically its a goof of mother nature, and considering that as many as 50% of gender variant youth commit suicide, it would seem to me its often eliminated through the natural selection process - like most other birth defects.

Though, thankfullly, we've overcome natural selection, just as I'm glad I wasn't alive before the advent of eyeglasses; I'd have been eaten by a dinosaur long before now.

Hi,
    Well I guess this is not a hot topic. I'm not mad and all answers may be valid.
I must say that Robyn's answer was something on the order I told my mom and dad
years ago. One of those great unknowns to ponder.

Kinda like the purpose of life, how big is the universe and....does the air force really have a flying saucer !.

                                        Jennifer

personally, god was having a laugh.... there is no purpose
cancer has no purpose
cystic fibrosis has no purpose
i dont see why GID is any different...
R

well i had a kidney transplant 4 years ago.. reason being i was born with a birth defect... was there a purpose to that?.. this is just to kinda elaborate on the gid is a birth defect is there a purpose to it idea.. and yes i really did have a kidney transplant @17 years old as the final correction of a birth-defect

but honestly.. maybe birth defects are to temper us as the proverbial sword being temperd for greater strengh.. everything we go through makes us stronger. so by extention we should all be quite strong people here no matter where we fall on the gender spectrum <even SO's fit into this and they may infact be stronger then us, for chooseing to stick by us through our problems and tough times when it would be so much eaier for them to leave>
anyhow i seem to have a propensity for tangents and rambleing
emma

Quote from: Robyn on November 16, 2007, 12:12:19 AM
I believe that our purpose in the world is to teach people the Christ's Second Commandment:  Love your neighbor as yourself.  (No matter how one's particular religion phrases the concept.)
So our purpose is to let people practice unconditional love.
Robyn

Well I couldn't agree more.  Nicely said, Robyn!  I know I have a compassion I would not have otherwise had.

I think anything can have a purpose if we want it to.  Too many are afraid to do the hard work of finding it.  When difficult things come our way, we ultimately have a choice to make:  We can get bitter or get better.  Not too hard to spot those who have chosen the "get better" route.

Kristi

My purpose in life is to be happy,simply that.

Rebecca

I don't like to categorize, stereotype or group anyone to be perfectly honest. I see myself as me, and while there are other people who happen to have a similar predicament to me as far as gender goes, they are individuals too and very different from myself and each other in many ways.

I don't believe any 'group' of individuals, perhaps grouped as such due to one particular difference, has any specific purpose as a whole. I don't feel I need a purpose in life, I have never felt part of anything big, apart from the planet, which I feel very attached to (nature & the great outdoors) and I don't find this lack of grand purpose in any way frightening, nor do I think it makes me less of a person.

I believe that quite often, people can get caught up in something, such as religion, and feel loss because they do not fit into this odd yet ancient belief of our world. I see this in the same light as the urge I felt to fit in somewhere when I was younger, I look back on it now and hate the person I was because I refused to be myself because it was the hard route to go and I lost so many years trying to deny who and what I was simply because I knew others would not understand it.

I think, in the 'grand scheme of things' you are who you are. The things you do, the paths you choose to take and the purposes you choose to instill in yourself are all dictated by your own freedom of will.

p.s. I think 'Love Your Neighbor As Yourself' as Robyn said, is a good practice to keep, and its the only reason my dad is Christian. I personally am not and never will be in any way religious and I think to respect and love others is just common sense, but if religion helps people to embrace this simple concept, then perhaps its not all bad

Quote from: Nero on November 16, 2007, 09:53:06 AM
My guess would be population control.

i think so too. gender variants and queers are terribly important to the continued well-being of the planet in that regard, and so should be allowed, even encouraged, to live their chosen paths.

as for those who say GID is a birth defect, a big raspberry to you! (can i say that without getting in trouble, again, from a Moderator?) um, strike that. what i meant was, i disagree with you, my dear. i hate feeling defective. however, in regards to diagnoses, i suppose a birth defect sounds better than a form of mental illness, and if it were written that way in the SOC...well heck, then you wouldn't even need an SOC. it would be covered by regular health insurance.


-ell

Quote from: ell on November 17, 2007, 02:27:46 PM

Quote from: Nero on November 16, 2007, 09:53:06 AM
My guess would be population control.

i think so too. gender variants and queers are terribly important to the continued well-being of the planet in that regard, and so should be allowed, even encouraged, to live their chosen paths.

as for those who say GID is a birth defect, a big raspberry to you! (can i say that without getting in trouble, again, from a Moderator?) um, strike that. what i meant was, i disagree with you, my dear. i hate feeling defective. however, in regards to diagnoses, i suppose a birth defect sounds better than a form of mental illness, and if it were written that way in the SOC...well heck, then you wouldn't even need an SOC. it would be covered by regular health insurance.


-ell

I don't think its a birth defect either really, hate the word defect and other like it when describing difference. I think that its simply diversity, plain and simple, and the only reason its probably seen as defective is because people are not taught about such things in school.

i use birth defect refering to my self mainly due to the fact that i dotn believe its a mental illness and i did not choose to be this way and honestly birth defect seems to be the best way to describ it to me, but we all have our own opinions

Quote from: Nero on November 16, 2007, 09:53:06 AM
My guess would be population control.

  Agreed.

Quote from: Nero on November 16, 2007, 09:53:06 AM
My guess would be population control.

I disagree with this. There are just not enough of us for it to have a significant impact on our population and despite GID many of us go on to successfully have kids anyway. But it is a good theory.

My inclination is that if GID is not a mistake of nature then we have a 'natural' social role to play in society. Perhaps the need for this role no longer exists in modern society? I think we are naturally inclined to be the teachers, councillors, spiritual guides, leaders... Perhaps our different ways of thinking was an evolutionary advantage to humans.

I don't feel defective, I don't want to believe we are just a mistake. I really like JJs take. We are just part of human diversity. Biology is not an exact thing - I guess the mould to create humans is a little leaky..

lol gid was created to kill kittens.... trufax
R

Quote from: NickSister on November 18, 2007, 04:10:47 PM
My inclination is that if GID is not a mistake of nature then we have a 'natural' social role to play in society. Perhaps the need for this role no longer exists in modern society? I think we are naturally inclined to be the teachers, councillors, spiritual guides, leaders... Perhaps our different ways of thinking was an evolutionary advantage to humans.

Yes, we've played important roles in other societies throughout history... healers, shamans, mediators, teachers, visionaries... in contemporary society one place for us is as artists, musicians. I believe we can show other possibilities because of having lived in both/all genders.

zythyra

Hi,
     I like Zythyra's outlook. I seen somewhere where a person said maybe gid is the result of the evolutionary advancement of humans. It's appearant that that it's
a ongoing process, that still has bugs in the software !.

Once the gloom and despair of it passes, embrace the ability to understand and think outside the gender box.


                                                   Jennifer

Once asked, so you were a woman stuck in a man's body. I was not, said I. I was a lesbian in the wrong body !.

Everybody has a purpose in life.  Some peeps purpose is to make a difference in the world with ourselves and beloved ones.  Other peeps purpose is just to waste the oxygen we breathe.