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Losing control and feel like a fraud.(Triggers? Sorry)

Started by Jacqueline, May 12, 2015, 03:06:45 PM

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Jacqueline

Hi all,

I have gone from 0 to whatever really quickly. Apparently, I joined this site two years ago. Oddly, I don't remember doing it. I became fairly active a week ago. It has been wonderful. Seeing how caring, supportive and peer based this incredible new family has been.

If any of you have read any of my posts, there are a few recurring things. I am very late coming to a realization that I think I am transgender and a woman within. I have been married for many years and trying to prep everything to let my wife know so we can figure out how to proceed(that's more than a little scary). I have little memory of my life before I was 12. I also doubt and question myself all the time. I have been in therapy for 4-5 months.

In this exploration,  I have uncovered some amazing information and memories that I thought were gone. I have gone from a person who gets angry easily but shows no other emotions to a person who is more accepting, loving and compassionate to others. However, in doing this, I feel emotionally like a yo-yo. I and up and down. Never completely happy but more than I have been before. Also sinking to depths that I have never been. I wrote in my journal recently, "I want to kill myself again, must be the weekend." I don't mean to be flip. The first part was how I felt at the moment and looking back to document it just seemed appropriate. I have found I take all too seriously and have been trying to add humour. Sadly, that is how my humour comes out now.

I have been trying to be a good community member. Welcoming people and reply with compassion and love when I can. However, after this last week end, I just feel like a fraud. I am back to questioning and seeing all the dark negatives that say, "I can't do that". "You shouldn't post anything, to others, you can't even handle yourself". "My wife will never believe me". "You will ruin her life, she planned on growing old with you and she has plans". "She put in 25 years and three kids with you." "You don't even know for sure, do you?"  "Just go back to being what you know" "You can't, she knows you are seeing a therapist and you promised you would talk very soon." "What are you going to say?" "What will you do now?"

I am so sorry. My life is so much easier than so many others. Why can't I just suck it up again? I need to find a way beyond this self pity and loathing. It all sounds so overly dramatic. I guess this is like therapy for me too. Part of me hates myself for posting this.

I am lost.

Joanna
1st Therapy: February 2015
First Endo visit & HRT StartJanuary 29, 2016
Jacqueline from Joanna July 18, 2017
Full Time June 1, 2018





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suzifrommd

Quote from: Joanna50 on May 12, 2015, 03:06:45 PM
I am so sorry. My life is so much easier than so many others. Why can't I just suck it up again? I need to find a way beyond this self pity and loathing. It all sounds so overly dramatic. I guess this is like therapy for me too. Part of me hates myself for posting this.

You don't need to compare yourself to others. You matter. Your experiences matter. If this is hard for you, you're allowed to experience that, and not pretend everything is OK.

In short, girlfriend, like every human being, you deserve to be heard. By, us and by yourself.
Have you read my short story The Eve of Triumph?
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Maddy_Aya_W.

I can't relate to having a wife and kids, I can however, relate to selfloathing. Recently, I feel like my life has been a lie for it's entirety. I've been untruthful with myself, and others. I'm filled with doubt, and unsure where life is taking me. I can always count on the forum for words of support, and wisdom, though. Don't be sorry to post, we're here to help each other, we're here because we need each other. Not having a wife to come out to is definitely a plus, but it's not easy to share with anyone, really. Unfortunately, the only way we will know how anyone will react, is to tell them. I wish you luck on your journey, and hope we will hear from you again soon.

~Maddy
BeIng a woman is not my fetish, it is my life.
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Dee Marshall

Joanna, you and I are SO similar! Few childhood memories, clueless until quite late. Rich or poor, no matter what, this condition we share trumps everything until we learn to manage it and compensate. For me, what early on seemed like another disaster making me miserable has grown to be one of my greatest joys, and, yes, I still have days when just ceasing to be becomes incredibly tempting. This is the greatest challenge I've ever faced and the greatest challenges always bring the sweetest rewards.

I hope some day you will find this true for you as well, whether you transition or hold it in.
April 22, 2015, the day of my first face to face pass in gender neutral clothes and no makeup. It may be months to the next one, but I'm good with that!

Being transgender is just a phase. It hardly ever starts before conception and always ends promptly at death.

They say the light at the end of the tunnel is an oncoming train. I say, climb aboard!
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IdontEven

Hi there. Not trying to stalk your threads, honest. They just keep popping up in the unread posts thing :p

So if I read correctly, you just came to either realization or acceptance or both very recently? 2 year old account aside...you weren't ready then for whatever reason I guess?

If I may, I'd like to relate to you what happened when I realized that I'm female inside. First I sort of internally posed the question "Am I trans?" to myself as an actual possibility. I spent the next 3 days in my head without eating sleeping or really doing much of anything. I cried for joy at the possibilities, I cried in anguish over the lost time and girlhood. I mourned what was basically the death of my male self.

While that sounds a bit overly dramatic, the second I "realized" that was pretty much it for me. How do you go back once you realize everything you are is a facade?

I was on an emotional roller coaster, a floodgate of emotions was opened. Things that had been suppressed my entire life were let out into the light. All of my emotional defenses were predicated on masculinity, so they got temporarily disabled as well. In short, I was a raw nerve for quite a while. From time to time I questioned if I was bi-polar because the mood swings were so severe and all over the map.

Things have settled down now. I'm developing new defenses and coping methods. And as I posted in your other thread I'm finding fulfillment on a level I never dreamed was possible. That tempers the darkness greatly.

SO! That brings us back to you. If I can throw your thoughts back at you here :

I can't do that - Can you afford not to? Think about what can be gained, not what might be lost. If you're miserable then what good are you to others, and how long do you think you can hold onto what you've got? Nothing is permanent. Things WILL change, independent of all this. It's up to you to influence that change to make your life what you want. "What if I fall?" "Oh my darling, what if you fly?"

You shouldn't post anything to others, you can't even handle yourself - If people could only speak to others in universal truths then not much would ever get said. Throw in a disclaimer if you have to but as long as your heart's in the right place then that's all anyone can ask of you.

My wife will never believe me - The power of denial can be quite strong. She may not. Or, if you and she share an intimate emotional and intellectual relationship she's probably seen signs already that may come to make sense as she works through this mentally. Perhaps she discounted them, perhaps not. The only way to know is to talk to her. Keep in mind that in the end her belief doesn't change the truth.

You will ruin her life, she planned on growing old with you and she has plans - This is not your fault. It's not like cheating. This was not a choice. The only choice involved in the matter is if you share your secrets with her or not, now that you're fully aware of them. It doesn't make it any easier, I know, but perhaps it can frame the internal debate a bit. This is one of your bigger and more complex issues and one you may have to work very hard to not let drag you down. Or she could be hugely accepting, stranger things have happened :)

She put in 25 years and three kids with you - You put in 25 years and three kids with her, while suppressing who you are on the inside to fit into a mold of others' design.

You don't even know for sure, do you? - In your head there are lots of reasons you aren't trans. But in your heart?

Just go back to being what you know - This is a "fun" one. It lessens with time but you've spent your life answering this call. It's safe. It's a known quantity. It's what you think the world wants from you. And it's completely miserable on the inside.

You can't, she knows you are seeing a therapist and you promised you would talk very soon. What are you going to say? - My advice (without knowing your wife, obviously) is to be honest and try to put things in a way she can understand. In my experience cis people just don't get trans-ness. You may have to educate her on gender issues.  Their gender matches up and has therefore never been an issue. They don't understand what a mismatch does, or that there can be a mismatch. Or maybe she's super empathetic and progressive and will be supportive.

Start out putting things as simply as possible, be clear. Even if the only thing you say to her is "I'm a female on the inside. I always have been though I didn't, I COULDN'T, realize it at the time." that will get the ball rolling. How she responds is the unknown. She might get scared, angry, who knows. Personally I would avoid "backing down" to ease her anxiety, though that may be seen as cruel. But to do otherwise is to deny yourself or delay the inevitable when you have to come back and be like "Remember when I said I was trans and then said no not really? Well...really."

What will you do now? - Move forward. Don't rush it, but don't dwell in the dark places either. Figure out what you want in life (like that's so easy, right?) and then make it happen. Your views and feelings will continue to evolve rapidly for a while, so don't stick your neck out too far but whenever you find the quicksand you're standing on has solidified a bit go ahead and take that next step.

And please don't feel like I'm pushing you into transitioning or doing anything you're uncomfortable doing. Maybe your next step is to take up fishing as a peaceful hobby, or performing altruistic acts to help you learn to love yourself. You have the innate human right to pursue happiness. But you've got to catch it yourself.

So...this post is incredibly long and I feel like it's a huge personal failing that I can't ever be brief, and honestly I feel like I'd be better off to just delete my response. Perhaps point by point advice like this is way off base and not what you were looking for at all. But I'm going to post this in a sincere attempt to help and to offer hope, because there IS hope. For all of us, no matter how dark things may seem in the moment.

If anybody reading this needs an ally, please don't hesitate to PM me.
'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.
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Mysteryman

I think you did what I did... I knew who I was at 13, at 18 it was too much and I "put it all away" and forgot about my trans until I was 28.
On, still on, I wandered on,
And the sun above me shone;
And the birds around me winging
With their everlasting singing
Made me feel not quite alone.

Christina G. Rossetti
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Jacqueline

Thanks to all who responded.

You have all been so kind. I have had kind of rough week but good as far as progress personally. I feel bad for pulling the pin and running away. I felt embarrassed by much of my original post and then a coward for not checking in.

I hope to be getting the courage now that I am decided to talk to my wife this week end. That's actually a terrifying sentence to read after typing it. I think I am still questioning but more where I will be headed rather than what I really am. My therapist seemed surprised by my conviction at this point. I have another topic about therapists I hope some of you will reply to.

All my thanks, love and support I can offer any of you,

Joanna
1st Therapy: February 2015
First Endo visit & HRT StartJanuary 29, 2016
Jacqueline from Joanna July 18, 2017
Full Time June 1, 2018





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Eveline

Joanna, congratulations on deciding to talk with your wife! That's a huge step.

Just remember that she will have her own reactions to the news, and she may also change how she feels over time. You are doing your part by being honest with her, and by being patient as she processes.

In the meantime, don't beat yourself up because of your vacillating feelings. We've all had them. And by all means post when you need to - sometimes just writing about things is cathartic, even if you don't want to see the replies right away. We'll still be here when you come back. :)
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Jacqueline

Eveline,

Thanks for the support and comments. It is a comfort to have people just listen and reply with embraces and thoughts. It is cathartic. Almost like speaking aloud to try it out.

Thanks also for the additions about my wife's reactions.

Joanna
1st Therapy: February 2015
First Endo visit & HRT StartJanuary 29, 2016
Jacqueline from Joanna July 18, 2017
Full Time June 1, 2018





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JoanneB

My wife and I have been together one way or another for well over 30 years. From day one she was told of my GD and my "history" of dealing with it. At that time for for decades onward I was "just a cross-dresser". Like, I had no other option.

I also had like no to a negative self esteem. In spite of all I accomplished in my life, I felt like I earned none of it. I was a fraud, a fake. It is totally amazing listening to my wife these days talking about how how "Angry" I always was, and worse. In retrospect, it makes perfect sense. Anger is pretty much the only emotion "Real Men" are allowed.

When the excrement hit the air handler once again in my life I finally realized that how I was NOT handling being trans was behind most of it. Though my wife knew of my GD, by my third TG support group meeting was over I knew it was just about too late to tell her what was going on.

You are right. It's likely not going to go over well. She is going to feel betrayed, lied to, feel like a fool for "not seeing the signs", turning over the tables, unilaterally redefining the marriage, the list goes on.

And if you don't?  How will you feel? Likely worse I suspect

As one who for decades who tried through the shear force of will. "Sucking it up" "Being a MAN" I know the all too painfull consequence. As do you. Feeling lifeless, souless, like a machine. Just going through the motions of living. Without life. Without Joy. No Hopes. No Wishes. No Dreams. Bar one, never to be uttered, or even thought of"
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Jacqueline

JoanneB,

Your early descriptions are so spot on. I recognized my skills but never felt deserving of anything. I spent much of my time angry. Thanks so much for sharing. It must be hard for so many of you to relive some of these things.

Thanks again,

Joanna
1st Therapy: February 2015
First Endo visit & HRT StartJanuary 29, 2016
Jacqueline from Joanna July 18, 2017
Full Time June 1, 2018





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Athena

One thing that was said, a Cis person never questions their gender. With questioning your own gender I would say that you fall under the trans umbrella somewhere (only you can say that for sure though).


I am going to put in a trigger warning for the following part

Depression is a devastating illness, people fail to understand you. You feel like even in your pain you are not worthy, others suffer so much more. Understand that depression has nothing to do with how others handle issues, it is about your fight to keep your head above water.

People are prone to shrug off depression, "it's not real" or "they just need to snap out of it". In fact depression can be more deadly then many diseases out there, first people can understand a physical illness so they can relate better. Also there is a much better chance of catching physical diseases in the early stages where it is easier to treat and with more success. Depression by its very nature is easy to miss, some don't realize that their loved ones are depressed until it is far too late.

Don't ignore the symptoms of depression, make sure you get help with your emotional well being as well as your gender dysphoria.
Formally known as White Rabbit
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gennee

My wife and I just celebrated our 35th anniversary. Ten years ago I told her that I was transgender. It took time for to truly accept that I was this way. I answered her questions and remained patient with her. Thay say that when one person transitions, so does the rest of the family. It certainly is true.

We enjoy doing things together and many people know us as couple. It's been fun and exciting.


:)
Be who you are.
Make a difference by being a difference.   :)

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CassieG

Hi Joanna.

I am 48. After 15 Years of marriage and 4 children I appeared in front of my wife wearing her underwear. We are 18 months down the road now. We are closer than we ever have been - no doubt about that. As well as being her husband I am also becoming one of her best (girl) friends - something I was totally unable to do when restricted to my male identity. I love the new closeness and so does she.

We went shopping for clothes (for me) last week and it was the most fun shopping we've ever had. My wife constantly trying to 'femme up' my rather conservative choices - which delighted me.

Like all married couples we had plans to grow old together. What this change has made to us - is that before we grow old together were going to enjoy a whole new life (that neither of us expected) with each other. We are both excited about that.

Of course we have hurdles to jump. Sooner or later my children will have to meet Cassie. I don't know how that will play but am happy to keep the powder dry as they will have their own issues to deal with in the next few years.

I hope that you feel that we all here are going to be with you when you talk to your wife. It is surely going to be tough. But it is a vital first step. Just remember - you didn't choose this. It chose you. If it took a number of years for you to recognise what was going - that's understandable.

This does not need to be a tragedy for you, your wife or your children.

Much love to you Joanna.

Cx
Looking forward to the next surprise!x
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barbie

Quote from: CassieG on May 16, 2015, 02:08:28 PM
Hi Joanna.

I am 48. After 15 Years of marriage and 4 children I appeared in front of my wife wearing her underwear. We are 18 months down the road now. We are closer than we ever have been - no doubt about that. As well as being her husband I am also becoming one of her best (girl) friends - something I was totally unable to do when restricted to my male identity. I love the new closeness and so does she.

We went shopping for clothes (for me) last week and it was the most fun shopping we've ever had. My wife constantly trying to 'femme up' my rather conservative choices - which delighted me.

Like all married couples we had plans to grow old together. What this change has made to us - is that before we grow old together were going to enjoy a whole new life (that neither of us expected) with each other. We are both excited about that.

Of course we have hurdles to jump. Sooner or later my children will have to meet Cassie. I don't know how that will play but am happy to keep the powder dry as they will have their own issues to deal with in the next few years.

I hope that you feel that we all here are going to be with you when you talk to your wife. It is surely going to be tough. But it is a vital first step. Just remember - you didn't choose this. It chose you. If it took a number of years for you to recognise what was going - that's understandable.

This does not need to be a tragedy for you, your wife or your children.

Much love to you Joanna.

Cx

Yes. I am nearly the same as you regarding family and gender expression.
People are far more accepting and flexible than I initially expected.

barbie~~
Just do it.
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Jacqueline

Thanks again to all,

I am not used to being so public about everything but as I go on this journey, I am trying to make choices I don't usually take.

My wife and I spoke this morning and it went much better than expected. I actually plan on making a separate post. Sorry if I am flooding the forums.

You have been like an invisible guidance and support team.

With love,

Joanna
1st Therapy: February 2015
First Endo visit & HRT StartJanuary 29, 2016
Jacqueline from Joanna July 18, 2017
Full Time June 1, 2018





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JoanneB

Quote from: Joanna50 on May 16, 2015, 09:51:36 PM
.... Sorry if I am flooding the forums.

You have been like an invisible guidance and support team.

A grand total of 42 posts to date is "Flooding"?

We are here to help you find the answers to the questions you've been afraid to ask or have been avoiding most of your life. Though each journey is unique there are a lot of similarities, especially when you have a group this size.  Probably why I was totally floored after my first ever TG Support Group meeting where I found myself sitting in a living room filled with a dozen or so others whose life stories sounded so much like like my own
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