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Is this a "normal" testosterone level for only being on hrt 1-2 months?

Started by melon_lord, May 14, 2015, 10:50:52 AM

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melon_lord

Hey there,

I started on a "low" dose of T this time around because I had a bad experience when  (several years ago, then went off T). Now I'm on and have been for about a month and a half.

I had my first check up blood results come back today, and am worried that the levels may be too high. In February (before I started hrt), my total testosterone level was 48 ng/dl. Now, after 1 and a half months, it's at 1060 ng/dl.

When I was on T before (in 2011), my total levels after 5 months were at 344 ng/dl.

One of the reasons I wanted to go on a lower dose was so that I wouldn't have super dramatic impacts on my body too quickly (didn't work for my health last time, made mental health and migraine issues worse).

Does this sound like something concerning?


Mod edit - dosages are against TOS.
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AeroZeppelin92

Dosage info isn't allowed on Susan's.

That being said, we are not doctors, and I'm sure your doctor has prescribed you what they feel is correct. Everybody is different in what amount they need. There is no normal.
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FTMax

I'm consistently in the 800s for T levels at what my doctor considers a full dose. I never had a blood test done during my half dose period, so not sure what my levels looked like then. Depending on age, average testosterone levels are anywhere from like 400-1200 I believe.
T: 12/5/2014 | Top: 4/21/2015 | Hysto: 2/6/2016 | Meta: 3/21/2017

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Dex

It also will depend on when you're drawn in comparison to when you inject. I've had peak, trough and midrange levels checked and my doctor usually uses a midrange value for comparison purposes whenever I've had dosing changes. Each doctor, and each patient, are different so I don't know that any of us could gauge what should be normal for you. If you are concerned about your level, I would encourage you to talk to your doctor about your concerns. A good doctor will factor in your blood levels (objective) with your feelings, mood, and general sense of well being (subjective) to determine your proper dose. 

1000 for you might not "feel" right, but for someone else might be spot on.
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Magnus

CBC and Estradiol? Without those, the TT value reveals practically nothing other than that you're indeed within the male range (or not, as the case may be). To explain that, your foremost risk of TRT would be too high of RBC, Hematocrit and/or Hemogloblin [for an as yet not understood reason, IM is the most often correlated to that phenomenon than other administration methods]. In other words, your blood becoming too thickened/dense. And that may or may not be an indication (as the aforementioned can either occur with or without the following coinciding) that too much of your dose volume is being converting into Estrodial from Aromatase (which will greatly increase your risk of blood clots as a direct result); in short, your dose volume and/or interval (even both), being too much for your body to handle. Those two, the CBC and Estrodial, WITH the TT will let you know either way, where they cannot/wouldn't alone.

It is therefore CRITICAL to have had your TT *and* CBC *and* Estrodial run every THREE months for the first year (during your "adjustment period"). And then at least once per year thereafter, and for that very reason. Basically, every time your dose volume and/or administration interval OR method changes SIGNIFICANTLY, those three labs, if nothing else, SHOULD BE ordered. Better safe than sorry. The two aforementioned adverse effects are your absolute biggest, most probable, negative effects you COULD encounter from TRT, IF those factors aren't the right "fit" for your body.

Because of the many variables between dose volume AND administration interval AND even administration method, your Total Testosterone level alone doesn't, even CANNOT, reveal whether or not your current TRT regiment is at an appropriate volume and/or interval for you. That *and* CBC *and* Estrodial, however, are. It takes the triad to paint the entire picture. Together, they let your doctor know IF your TRT requires adjustments, or not.

In short: so long as your CBC, Estrodial and TT are all within normal MALE range, you're golden. IF one or both or even all are not, then you're in need of some fine-tuning, pronto.


However, with that said, it is not uncommon for those on IM and at a bi-weekly administration (and at the "normal dose volume"; as in not "low"), to be within or else even above the 1,000 range at "peak" (seven days after administration, in the fourteen days cycle). BUT! Your ACTUAL T level, or which is your "mean average" of those fourteen days, WILL BE LOWER than this value. Even SIGNIFICANTLY so. That is because the "bell curve" for this combination will be like a mountain's peak... a steep, sharp incline ("uptake/absorption") and decline ("excretion/depletion"), before and after it. And that is the reason quite a lot of us decide, with our doctor's oversight, NOT to remain on the standard fourteen day administration interval/cycle. By shortening the administration interval and/or also slightly reducing the dose volume, our TT level will actually even out a LOT more (no more sharp, steep "peak") and we will actually ALSO (because of "overlap"; because IM's active period is fourteen days regardless of how often we administer), it will remain in a HIGHER level for a LONGER period of time over our entire cycle. So literally, we're getting more "bang" for the "buck" (as it were; well, actually literally too as it happens).

Indeed, less dose volume x shorter administration interval REALLY is more, than higher dose volume x longer administration interval.

So yes, TT value alone, really doesn't say much. That is, not without knowing other particular details to put it into the correct perspective. In other words, while two or more of us could share our TT level, the variables that got us there will be WIDELY different if we're NOT getting the same "mileage" (as it were)... or that is more specifically, NOT on the same administration interval/cycle x dose volume x administration method.


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Bimmer Guy

Magnus, just wanted to say thank you SO much for taking the time to write this all out.  I appreciate the education.
Top Surgery: 10/10/13 (Garramone)
Testosterone: 9/9/14
Hysto: 10/1/15
Stage 1 Meta: 3/2/16 (including UL, Vaginectomy, Scrotoplasty), (Crane, CA)
Stage 2 Meta: 11/11/16 Testicular implants, phallus and scrotum repositioning, v-nectomy revision.  Additional: Lipo on sides of chest. (Crane, TX)
Fistula Repair 12/21/17 (UPenn Hospital,unsuccessful)
Fistula Repair 6/7/18 (Nikolavsky, successful)
Revision: 1/11/19 Replacement of eroded testicle,  mons resection, cosmetic work on scrotum (Crane, TX)



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