Quote from: rachel89 on May 24, 2015, 10:44:55 AM
It sounds like guys are checking you out. Men are pretty simple creatures, so I wouldn't read to much into it. BTW non-pc means not politically correct, and in this context, it means that guys aren't using their brains to think about women.

Should have known what "PC" stood for lol.  You're right I think; it's just so crazy to me I guess because there was obviously a point in my life in which I lived as a male, and I certainly wasn't gay.  Rather, I was pretty "macho", and was used to being called "douche bag".

But one thing I would have never done is blatantly gawk at attractive women standing in front of me mid-conversation.  I realized that many women would view me as being dumber than they are if I did that, and that having the upperhand usually entails showing very, very little interest and masking your perceptions of someone.  But it totally makes sense to assume that a lot of guys are too simple to think on that level or are too overtaken by sexual energy to think.

Quote from: Jasper93 on May 24, 2015, 11:14:28 AM
Should have known what "PC" stood for lol.  You're right I think; it's just so crazy to me I guess because there was obviously a point in my life in which I lived as a male, and I certainly wasn't gay.  Rather, I was pretty "macho", and was used to being called "douche bag".

But one thing I would have never done is blatantly gawk at attractive women standing in front of me mid-conversation.  I realized that many women would view me as being dumber than they are if I did that, and that having the upperhand usually entails showing very, very little interest and masking your perceptions of someone.  But it totally makes sense to assume that a lot of guys are too simple to think on that level or are too overtaken by sexual energy to think.

It sounds to me like normal male behavior, they just cant help themselves.... I get that all the time and honestly I enjoy it if the man doing it is attractive    I'll usually give it right right back to them and if they cant keep eye contact I will lose any attraction I had and they will usually stop it.... If they really seem into me and If Im attracted as well I just turn on the feminine charm even more and I enjoy teasing them Of course Im very comfortable with myself around men, Ive been intimate with a lot of them by now and Ive even gone as far as dominating some of them if that's what their into    I find as I gain confidence and move along with my transition they become easier and easier to read and interact with naturally

As far as how you used to behave as a "male" and the way they treat you now Well I donno about you but I never really could understand my male friends and the way they behaved and why they would do some of the things they would do to the women in their lives and I never was very good at attracting women either... I can see now that's because I never really was male and Id say you weren't either so just be yourself and enjoy the attention 

Rightly or wrongly, our culture tends to teach males that females are sex objects first, and people a distant second or even third. Consequently a lot of guys will give you "the look", sizing you up. Are you attractive? Do you have a nice rack? Does she have a sweet rear end? How about her figure? Her face?

You're going to get these looks for the rest of your life. In one sense it's a compliment, because someone is seeing you as the woman you are. In another sense, it can feel infuriating because someone is seeing you as a sex object and wondering if they can bed you.

I work in a white collar professional environment and there's a subtle difference between many white collar males and blue collar males. More white collar males will look at you discretely, and in an "admiring" way while more blue collar men just ogle you flat out. A few guys I've chatted with have said that the thought process is about the same though, just how they go about it.

And in today's society, like it or not, we're going to be ogled, whether it's overt or not. So I guess as long as they aren't pawing us or trying to assault us, it's tolerable.

But welcome to womanhood.

Quote from: Jasper93 on May 23, 2015, 08:54:24 PM
I work for Toyota; the highers-up within the facility are extremely progressive, which is great. 

I kind of figured, since you said auto maker in Indiana. The only other option is Subaru and they are in Lafayette. So you're at the Princeton plant. A friend of mine in ft Wayne told me that it's way more "middle america" than where he is.

QuoteDuring orientation, for example, the man who was taking my picture for my identification thought that I was female -- even after learning my legal name -- but once I handed him my driver's license, he discerned that I was trans.  Instead of treating me weird like many in my area would, he immediately asked me what my preferred name is, so that kind of alludes to how corporate is.  But the actual workers there -- I've heard some of them make fun of the "->-bleeped-<-" in another sector of the factory already, and meanwhile, I'm standing like right by them without any problems... Kind of eerie, to be honest.

I was a bit surprised at the reaction of my employer as well. They thought of it as no big deal and didn't think I'd have problems with anyone. I actually work for a company that most people would think is hard core "traditional values" but in reality we have a pretty diverse workforce. It is New York after all, and we have laws here but we also have international subsidiaries and in reality most large corporations care primarily about your productivity.

So far all the co-workers I've told have been extremely supportive, in particular my team members. The lone woman on my team was super excited to have another lady on the team, and she said I'd be a very beautiful lady.

Quote from: LizMarie on May 24, 2015, 01:36:43 PM
Rightly or wrongly, our culture tends to teach males that females are sex objects first, and people a distant second or even third. Consequently a lot of guys will give you "the look", sizing you up. Are you attractive? Do you have a nice rack? Does she have a sweet rear end? How about her figure? Her face?

You're going to get these looks for the rest of your life. In one sense it's a compliment, because someone is seeing you as the woman you are. In another sense, it can feel infuriating because someone is seeing you as a sex object and wondering if they can bed you.

I work in a white collar professional environment and there's a subtle difference between many white collar males and blue collar males. More white collar males will look at you discretely, and in an "admiring" way while more blue collar men just ogle you flat out. A few guys I've chatted with have said that the thought process is about the same though, just how they go about it.

And in today's society, like it or not, we're going to be ogled, whether it's overt or not. So I guess as long as they aren't pawing us or trying to assault us, it's tolerable.

But welcome to womanhood.

Actually, I guess I never thought of the difference -- or really had an opportunity to perceive it.  The town I'm in is definitely full of blue collar workers, and I notice this stuff pretty frequently, but around a month ago, I was living on-campus at my college (Indiana University -- very prestigious), and no one even seemed to bat an eye at each other -- let alone silly 'ol me.  So, it makes sense now.  I feel pretty relieved that it's not that the males are possibly scrutinizing me, potentially looking for male body parts or something.  They do seem relatively simple... Guess I'll be scanning in return next time (if they're hot) lol.

-Ally