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FFS with Dr. Rossi - August 5th, 2015

Started by Ever, May 29, 2015, 06:25:54 AM

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Ever

hey girls,

I've also just scheduled an appointment with Dr. Rossi, but for August 5th.  I'm eager to follow RubyAliza's progress, and hope all the best for her.  I am excited to follow with my own trip to Argentina two months later.

As has been repeatedly said in various places, the main contact person is Amanda, who is like the nicest and most amazing person ever.

It'll be at the in-person consultation that the final set of procedures will be determined, but at least this was the preliminary assessment on the basis of the photos I had sent:

1. type III forehead reconstruction
2. rhinoplasty

optional:
3. chin and jaw contouring

even more optional:
4. trachea shave

The type III forehead reconstruction will be done from an incision on the top of my head, as they indicated that I don't need a hairline advancement, but however, they might cut a little bit and just advance the part around my temples where I recently started having a little hair loss (but only having been on HRT for slightly over two weeks, I do wonder if that may grow back).  With regard to the brow ridge, apparently mine isn't very big at all, but the reason for the type III is mainly because the forehead in general does protrude, even if the brows don't very much.

What I'm especially looking forward to is the rhinoplasty; that's the procedure I'm most excited about.  I really want my nose to be feminine and to get rid of that dorsal hump.

Chin/jaw they said was optional, and only because I requested it, but I honestly think I will probably get it just so everything harmonizes together and so my face has an overall more effeminate appearance.

I guess apparently my adam's apple is barely visible, and they said that depending how the scar heals that the scar might end up being more visible than my adam's apple.  I guess the final decision on that will have to wait until the surgeon can get a feel for it in person.


I'm a little nervous, but here goes nothing...

Dr. Rossi and Amanda are both super wonderful, and that definitely puts me largely at ease.
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Laura_7

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RubyAliza

Congratulations Ever :D Check out Charlotte's thread on tips for taking on the city of Buenos Aires. I just got here today and my surgery is coming up real soon. Amanda picked me up from the airport and she is super nice and knowledgeable. You're absolutely right on that. She gave me a cell to call her anytime, which gives me extra reassurance that everything will be ok.

Still really nervous though. First, I am a bit scared of general anesthesia, an irrational fear even. Or maybe its not - the idea of being knocked out and totally vulnerable to a bunch of strangers is kind of crazy, but hey, that's any major surgery.

I'm also nervous/excited to see how I will look. What will the female me look like? When I look in the mirror, I have to blur my vision and imagine. Soon however, it will not be imagination but the reality I will see everyday in the mirror for the rest of my life. This really is one of the profound physical changes one can undergo, in my view.

August 5th is soon! I'm with you on the chin/jaw work, even if minor, to seal the deal in terms of passability and beauty. You are already beautiful though :)

I'll try to update as often as possible. Maybe I'll look to beat up for pics but I'll take them anyway, and post some if my computer allows.
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jhulyglow

Os valores do Dr. Rossi são muito parecidos com do Maggio. Sendo que Maggio é mais experiente e tem muitos resultados em seu site.
FFS -Frontoplasty: 13th of November 2014 - Dr. Maggio, Buenos Aires - Argentina.
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firestarter

I would usually say "Good luck", but you do not need it because your going to T.Change and Dr Rossi.
Buenos Aires is a beautiful, friendly city. Obviously as in any city, you have to have a certain level of caution, mainly against pick pockets, and other petty criminals.
You can buy all you hormones cheap from the pharmacies, but shop around, and if ordering a good amount you can definitely ask for more discount.
Try not to miss going to the Teatro Colon, or a couple of Tango shows, I recommend the Saturday night performance at the Pacifico Galleria.
Enjoy the whole experience, you are in good hands  xx
Much Money, Much Pain, Many Moons.
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kittenpower

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Ever

thank you darling, and thanks to all of you for your support, suggestions, and thoughts!
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Ever

Damn, it's too bad I don't know anyone staying in Buenos Aires at the same time, let alone someone I would know ahead of time that I'd feel comfortable around and would feel comfortable me.  The only place I was able to rent out for my stay from August 3rd through 19th is a large two bedroom apartment, and I'm just by myself... ...would be nice to find someone to split the cost with and save some money...

If I went through any websites, like AirBnB, studios/one-bedrooms were the same price as the discounted two bedroom I could get through the surgeon's connection.

Anyone going to Argentina wanna become friends? skype first? heh
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deeiche

Ever, according to the title your surgery is scheduled for tomorrow.  I wish you the best.
"It's only money, not life or death"
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bamar86

Hi ever,  hope your surgery went well! Hopefully you can give us an update :) I'm getting my surgery with Dr Rossi on the 1st of sep now with dr rossi. I'm so excited, but still a little nervous as to be expected.
Started HRT in December 2014

Had ffs with Dr rossi September 2015

Srs and BA dr chettawut Feb 27 2016
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deeiche

Ever

Hope everything went well.

bamar86

Good luck on your surgery.  I'm scheduled with Dr Ross Wednesday, Sept 16.

Quote from: bamar86 on August 07, 2015, 08:43:03 PM
Hi ever,  hope your surgery went well! Hopefully you can give us an update :) I'm getting my surgery with Dr Rossi on the 1st of sep now with dr rossi. I'm so excited, but still a little nervous as to be expected.
"It's only money, not life or death"
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jgirl76

I have a feeling this surgery didn't happen?
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Laura_7

Quote from: jgirl76 on August 18, 2015, 03:23:37 AM
I have a feeling this surgery didn't happen?

Well for unknown reasons the user has deleted her account...

imo it doesn't need to be because of the surgery...

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kittenpower

There was a lot of buzz about Dr. Rossi when she posted this thread, and now nothing about him. I was considering Dr. Rossi due to all of the attention he was getting, but there was a little voice inside of me saying that it was too good to be true; top quality surgery for a lower price than Dr. Cardenas. I guess I'm a skeptic (having learned the hard way).
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RubyAliza

Hey Everyone,

     Ever decided to leave the forums to my knowledge (I hope she's okay with me saying that). But I've seen here before/after and they look very good! She's very happy with the surgeon as far as I know. To reply to Kittenpower, there was a lot of talk about Dr. Rossi a few months ago, and I decided to post more before/afters on my thread and here as well (why not? Hope Ever is okay with that too). Indeed, he costed than Cardenas by a bit, although that will almost certainly change over time. I highly recommend him, but don't take my word for it (lip augmenting not done by Dr. Rossi):







    Hope everyone is doing fine!

- Ruby
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deeiche

Quote from: kittenpower on August 18, 2015, 10:11:21 AM
There was a lot of buzz about Dr. Rossi when she posted this thread, and now nothing about him. I was considering Dr. Rossi due to all of the attention he was getting, but there was a little voice inside of me saying that it was too good to be true; top quality surgery for a lower price than Dr. Cardenas. I guess I'm a skeptic (having learned the hard way).

I really appreciated the posts re: Dr Rossi from Firestarter and RubyAliza.  Those posts helped me decided to go to Dr Rossi.

From following this forum and others it is pretty obvious the majority of patients don't put life decisions in public places.  I transitioned over 30 years ago, been stealth ever since.  I don't think I'll be posting before, during recovery and post pictures results of my FFS with Dr Rossi in any public arenas.  Maybe that sounds selfish.  There is at least one other person on this forum who stated she will be in Buenos Aires in September, her comment was buried in another thread.
"It's only money, not life or death"
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bamar86

To be honest I've seen a few posts where girls will start off by giving information about their scheduled surgery and then never update the thread afterwards, which can be a bit annoying for people wanting to find out their results even if they do not upload a photo. I think alot of them do it as an assurance they will get good results, but don't follow up on their post. I chose dr rossi because I couldn't find anything negative written about him. I believe people are far more likely to pass on negative feedback than they are positive
Started HRT in December 2014

Had ffs with Dr rossi September 2015

Srs and BA dr chettawut Feb 27 2016
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ever

Sorry if I made any of you uncomfortable by not posting an update and removing my account.  I actually removed my account several weeks (maybe a month?) prior to my procedure; so it wasn't the case that I removed my account because of getting done with the procedure.  Rather, what happened was that I had connected with a few individuals through Facebook and felt that Susan's otherwise felt a bit anonymous and uncomfortable for me, and I didn't like the idea of any outsiders being able to come in here and see information they might link to me irl. 

I'm really sorry if I caused any stir.  I wouldn't mind sharing photos and information with some of you in particular, but I just didn't like the idea of leaving the information public.

So while I won't post photos here, let me reassure you guys that Dr. Rossi is even better than anyone says he is.  He might be the least expensive established ffs surgeon, but money wasn't really a factor for me in making a good decision between surgeons.  I'm pretty sure I picked the best one that there is, and that just happened to be the most affordable one as well.  I decided to leave this post, then, as my way of saying thanks to the surgical team and as my way of assuring you guys that my prior disappearance in no way has to do with having had a bad experience.  To the contrary, this surgical team was amazing.

I was worried, because I was going into Argentina alone, that I wouldn't have anyone to look after me, and wondering how I was supposed to manage.  That isn't a problem at all.  Amanda organizes everything, checks on you daily, and brings you whatever food you request.  She's pretty amazing at making the recovery comfortable.

Dr. Rossi, on top of being so good, is super nice and gentle.  Since I bruise easily, I expected to be purple, yellow, red and super swollen by the time I left Buenos Aires two weeks later, especially since I had followed Raiden Quinn's ffs recovery progress on youtube and saw how beat up she looked even a month or more post surgery.  Well, wow, maybe I have some wolverine genetics, but I have a feeling it's in part because the surgical team has an keen understanding of anatomy and reconstructive/non-cosmetic facial surgery.  Despite getting the four procedures in one surgery, and even having requested that they be fairy aggressive in their reductions of bone mass, the surgical team accomplished it all with only minor bruising and swelling, and the bruising healed so well that it was entirely gone by the two week mark.  I mean, a couple days prior to leaving Buenos Aires, the sides of my chin were still a little yellow, but by the time I flew two days later nothing was noticeable (besides the swelling that only someone who knew me might notice). 

Of course, the swelling hasn't fully gone down even still, and I don't expect the swelling to be fully gone until 2-4 months in.  Nevertheless, to others, my face looks like a normal person's face, and I'm really the only one who can consistently notice that my face is clearly a little chubby.  I anticipate that my nose and chin will look even more delicate and refined in a couple months, though everything looks totally normal to others now.

I'm actually pretty blown away with the result.  I look in the mirror and see a hot girl with very cute features, and I honestly do not recognize myself.  Now, I won't lie, the 3 days after surgery I thought I had made a mistake, as I looked all facially bloated, and lopsided, and everything out of proportion.  Even with how optimistic of a person I am, I was really depressed and withdrawn as I first recovered.  However, by the 8th day, when I had the splint/cast thing on my nose was removed, everything already looked so amazing (and I could already get a glimpse of how great things would look once the swelling subsided), and it was all so shocking and pretty that I went back to the apartment, sat on the floor, and cried heavily for half an hour because of how happy and incredibly relieved I was at how feminine and attractive that girl in the mirror was.  Earlier that same day, when I left the office with the nose splint off for the first time, Amanda even took pause to comment on how gorgeous I looked, to which Dr. Rossi popped his head back out and jokingly said, "and who was your amazing surgeon?"  There was also a very pretty, young patient that came as well for her follow-up appointment, and even she looked surprised and said "hey, beautiful" the moment she saw me.  All I could really do was half smile and put my head down and hold back those tears of relief for when I finally got back to the apartment.

I think it's really confusing to look at your face after ffs.  There are days that I look very feminine, and there are days that I probably look just as feminine to others, but that I look at myself and instead see someone super androgynous with only a hint of femininity.  However, I have to remember that I've only just recently hit 3 months on hormones, and I will look more feminine once the muscle and fat in my face changes shape with the prolonged use and long term effects of those.  I also have to remember that it's so easy to see masculinity in a face when you're trying to look for it, and in any case, when I look for it now all I really see is androgyny.  Right now, it's like everything masculine in my face was taken away, but at the same time, like nothing feminine was added.  The result (for me) is a bit of a cute, young girl look, as opposed to something more angular and sexy. 

I wasn't updating anyone with recovery photos, and in any case, I only took a handful of photos during my entire recovery, as I hated photos of myself (including those from before the surgery and those from the days of recovery).  However, once the nose thing came off, that evening I was quite excited, so I asked my parents to skype with me.  I knew that my mom was very apprehensive to skype, as she had been upset in those days that she was going to lose that recognizable face of the child that she had watched grow up.  However, skyping with them turned out to be really heartwarming, as I don't think she expected that I'd have such a cute and young appearance, and one that she could relate to as her daughter; she couldn't take the smile off her face during the entire skype call. 

And things just kept getting better from there on out.  What unfolded in the last three days was almost like from a movie, and frankly, a little bit unbelievable, especially considering that I had just had surgery a week and a half prior.  When I went to the mall three days before the end of my trip, I was just wearing foundation to cover up what yellowing remained of the bruises and just a bit of eye liner.  I was looking around the MAC store, when one of the beautiful make-up artists/MAC representatives asked to do my make-up, and after a very charming conversation while she did my make-up, a conversation where she gave me hints that she was kind of hitting on me, I tried to gauge whether she really was flirting with me or being a good salesperson by casually asking her what time she got off work.  Long story short, I'm not really sure how I went from arriving alone and frightened in a foreign country, with an appearance that wouldn't ever pass, to post surgery bruised tomato face, to pretty girl making out with gorgeous Argentinian lesbians, all within the time frame of August 2nd to the 20th.  (The latter made possible in part by being fluent in Spanish.)  All together, I had a life changing collection of experiences in Buenos Aires, and having ffs + having it with this surgeon in particular, was easily the best life decision I've ever made.

I also got to see the results of two other ffs surgeries with Dr. Rossi, as there was some overlap between my follow-up appointments and theirs.  My surgery was a few days before their surgeries.  There was a girl in her late 20's and another perhaps about 50.  Both of them looked stunning to me a week after their surgeries.  In fact, I'm pretty sure both of them look even more feminine than I.  I do think, however, being exclusively a lesbian and plus, for my own career, this kind of androgynous youthful femininity that I present with now will very much compliment everything, and I'm very happy with it. 

Now back in the U.S., despite not being used to looking any different, still feeling insecure out in public, and still carrying the latent worry and self perception that I don't pass, I've been humbled by the compliments of strangers, probably my favorite of which was a girl going out of her way to tell me that tall female androgynous models are really popular right now and asking me whether I've ever considered doing modeling.  I wouldn't do modeling, and I don't think I'm sufficiently attractive, but it's been nice to see how many heads I turn with my unquestionably female face contrasted with a very androgynous appearance otherwise.  And I think that particular sort of tall, thin, pale skinned androgyny, with simple black and grey attire (wearing generally just a tee tucked into high waist pants), seems to catch the curiosity of girls more than men.  But even with guys, it's been a new experience to have guys come up to me and offer me a cigarette outside of a bar (cigarette which I of course turn down! -.^), or to have a handsome middle aged man hold doors for me and get the elevator. 

And in retrospect, it comes down to cherished memories of the most insignificant things: like when I first showed up in Buenos Aires and went to the mall to get dinner; a woman giving out perfume samples handed me a men's sample, which I threw away and tried to forget.  Then, ten days later, walking through the mall absentmindedly, just the same: an arm came out of my peripheral to hand me a perfume sample, and I turned to see the same woman.  I politely smiled, accepted the sample and stepped away, and then when I looked down, I was hit by the significance of seeing the tiny sample of girl's perfume in my hand. 

Finally, just a word about Dr. Rossi, when it comes to ffs, he really perceives himself as a therapeutic/reconstructive surgeon and not a cosmetic surgeon.  I was nervous during the consultation the day before surgery when I was basically told that he really couldn't tell me everything he was definitely going to do (for example, whether or not I would need a lip lift) and to what extent he would do those things (for example, just how much chin he would remove) as his approach is a bit more artistic, he explained: features would be put into balance as the surgical team went from performing surgery on one area to the next.  But yes, what you'll get is a face that looks natural, in harmony, and nevertheless unique.  For example, you're not left with the stock nose job, or whatever signature nose the doctor might be known for, but rather, you'll be left with a unique but feminine nose that's clearly built out of your current nose and made to compliment your other features.  So as for the surgical team's artistic approach, on top of their excellent surgical skill, they have very good taste: they make everything fit together and still leave you with a unique look, uniqueness which helps the final result look like a girl's face that has never had any kind of surgery (unlike a stock petite nose that might be pretty but clearly indicate cosmetic surgery).  As far as what I was hoping for, which was a natural, feminine, attractive, and professional look, the quality of the result exceeded my expectations.
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deeiche

Oh, wow, what a post.  I REALLY appreciate the update.  :-)  I'm so happy for you, sounds like everything went really well.

I'll be in BA in 3 weeks.  I'm going for a lot of procedures, as a "mature" (t-change adjective) patient I need a fair amount of soft tissue work along with bone work.

As a post 30 year transition dykey, androgynous lesbian I'm okay with androgyny.  :-)  However what I'd noticed was after I hit 50 my face really took a hit.  Skin sagging, facial fat diminishing, lots of wrinkles.  You know, aging woman issues along with a protruding brow.  :-(

Once again, thanks for the update.  I wish you the best in life.
"It's only money, not life or death"
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ever

Thank you! I appreciate your kind response

Yes, it's weird, before going in I thought that the forehead was the least important part for my particular case, as my brow ridge wasn't very significant (even though my forehead as a whole did protrude some).  The type III forehead surgery that Rossi did, however, was perfect, since it was able to move the whole forehead back, and it probably was the most dramatic contributor to my overall facial feminization.  I thought the nose or chin would make a bigger impact, but setting back the forehead was easily the most important part, despite my already small brow ridge. 

My eyes really opened up, and it gave me a feminine gaze, which is so important as it is your gaze that others are looking at in conversation or even when you make eye contact with strangers while walking down the sidewalk.  Forehead surgery really is, as I didn't previously appreciate, a surgery that is in large part about feminizing one's eyes.

Of course, the brow ridge reduction is a crucial element when that is a problem area, but I didn't previously appreciate how setting back the overall position of the forehead as a whole (even with a small brow ridge) can feminize the surrounding parts.

Finally, I luckily didn't need a hairline advancement, and at most I'm considering hair transplants for the temple area, although I'm going to wait to see how much comes back on HRT, as I already see a ton of new growth every day in that area.  However, even if you need the hairline advancement, I think it would be better to avoid the scar and instead do the hairtransplant.  The method of adding hairs is the same, but it seems the doctor Amanda recommends has two methods for removing the donor hair: either shaving a part of the back and removing hairs individually or cutting a small stipe of hair out from the back and sewing that part closed, then those hairs are separated from the skin.  As the top of your scalp will already be scarred from type III forehead reduction, I see no reason to opt for the more tedious and expensive method in which hairs are removed individually, and I would personally go with the method in which they cut out a stripe. 

Anyway, all the best to everyone! and good luck to you, deeiche, during your time in Argentina! I'm much more apprehensive with giving suggestions for doing things than I am with deciding to do those things on myself, and yet, I can confidently say you've made an excellent decision to go with Dr. Rossi.  Drink plenty of water and don't be too hard on yourself on the days right after surgery.
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