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Poll: Majority of Americans oppose trans people using preferred bathroom

Started by Olivia P, June 11, 2014, 03:17:41 PM

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Jill F

Quote from: mac1 on February 07, 2015, 09:19:47 PM
Hopefully multi-user gender neutral restrooms will become the accepted standard soon.  I was in large chin store the other day and had to use the restroom.  There was only stall in the men's room and some guy was camped out in there. I really had to pee and wished that it was possible for me to use the women's facility but that was not likely.

I hear Jay Leno shops there.
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michelle

This is really an issue used in fear mongering.   In every women's restroom you don't see anything.  There are stalls which protect privacy from anyone but a peeping Tom.   My skirt covers my private parts so nobody see's them and from pushing my penis straight into tuck there is little to see.   The only visible thing to out me as quite possibly being a male are my size thirteen feet.   The basic rule while being in the ladies's room is to not do anything that might be interpreted as being male.   Don't stand to pee.   If there are only one or two stalls in a bathroom you are familiar with and you see a lot of ladies or young girls going in and out,  don't go in and stand in the crowd of women waiting to use the restroom.  Wait until it empties.   If the clerks in the places you shop at see you entering the men's restroom one day and the ladies the next they may come to question your gender.   Don't use the restrooms in places where you have had problems passing as a woman.   Would you enter a restroom after you saw a bunch of armed individuals in an open carry state go into the restroom or would you wait until they have left.  To survive in life as either a male or female you have to use your common sense.   
Be true to yourself.  The future will reveal itself in its own due time.    Find the calm at the heart of the storm.    I own my womanhood.

I am a 69-year-old transsexual school teacher grandma & lady.   Ethnically I am half Irish  and half Scandinavian.   I can be a real bitch or quite loving and caring.  I have never taken any hormones or had surgery, I am out 24/7/365.
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Clarissa

Quote from: suzifrommd on June 12, 2014, 06:20:48 AM
Polls like this do not gauge people's opinion. They have to do more with the wording of the question.

If the question were, "do you want males, including transgender males, to be using a woman's restroom", I'm sure they would have gotten a vastly different response.

People, THIS IS OUR FAULT.

We're assuming people are born knowing about and understanding our bathroom issues. We assume people have thought about it. We assume that if they haven't, they're narrow minded bigots who can't be reached.

Well, they don't, they haven't, and they aren't.

People haven't thought about this because WE'VE SAT ON OUR BUTTS AND REFUSED TO EDUCATE THEM. Newsflash: People aren't going to understand our bathroom issues unless we MAKE THEM UNDERSTAND. We need to explain the situation. If people don't understand that it doesn't make sense for us to use the bathroom associated with our birth sex, it's because WE HAVEN'T GIVEN THEM THE FACTS!

Many people have never knowingly met a trans person who passes. Their image of trans women are the caricatures they've seen in the media and the occasional non-passing woman they might have noticed in public. Their image of transguys is probably nil, since they generally pass and aren't portrayed in media at all.

And I guarantee that the cis person is very, very rare who has sat down and asked himself/herself what it must be like to be living as woman everywhere for every purpose but be forced to use the men's restroom (or vice versa).

Alright, I'll get down from my soap box before I fall off and break something.

While I agree that we do need to educate people more on trans related issues, there are some people that are set in their ways regardless and will not change.

For example, while at work most people are okay with me using the women's restrooms, however there is a 60 year old russian lady that works as a Porter that still freaks out when she sees me in there. She's not going to change her opinion or her views regardless. She will not understand because of her culture and her background. But..there's nothing she can do about it either. So..yeah.
Life is too short. Be who you are and write your own story.  ;)
~Clarissa
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Makenzie

Quote from: michelle on February 09, 2015, 12:17:26 AM
This is really an issue used in fear mongering.   In every women's restroom you don't see anything.  There are stalls which protect privacy from anyone but a peeping Tom.   My skirt covers my private parts so nobody see's them and from pushing my penis straight into tuck there is little to see.   The only visible thing to out me as quite possibly being a male are my size thirteen feet.   The basic rule while being in the ladies's room is to not do anything that might be interpreted as being male.   Don't stand to pee.   If there are only one or two stalls in a bathroom you are familiar with and you see a lot of ladies or young girls going in and out,  don't go in and stand in the crowd of women waiting to use the restroom.  Wait until it empties.   If the clerks in the places you shop at see you entering the men's restroom one day and the ladies the next they may come to question your gender.   Don't use the restrooms in places where you have had problems passing as a woman.   Would you enter a restroom after you saw a bunch of armed individuals in an open carry state go into the restroom or would you wait until they have left.  To survive in life as either a male or female you have to use your common sense.
Edited,fixed a couple of typoes that could confuse readers :)
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ImagineKate

Quote from: michelle on February 09, 2015, 12:17:26 AM
Would you enter a restroom after you saw a bunch of armed individuals in an open carry state go into the restroom or would you wait until they have left. 

Depending on how they conduct themselves I'd either tell them they are outright morons or congratulate them. Some of these people may know me though. ;)
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ImagineKate

Quote from: Felix on February 01, 2015, 08:36:53 PM
Don't like half of Americans also believe in angels? The U.S. isn't exactly a bastion of rationality. We also have a certain paranoia about stranger violence that dates back at least to the 80s.

Whoa there. Because someone has a religious belief that makes them somehow irrational? I don't like where this is headed at all.

For the record, I believe in angels. I also have an advanced engineering degree and have forgotten more science than some atheists I know have learned. What does that make me?
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Jessica Merriman

12 state police agencies did records searches and not one single crime or complaint was reported concerning trans people who use gender appropriate rest rooms being inappropriate. However, they did find cases of violence against trans people using the gender inappropriate rest rooms. Hmmmm? I guess the fear mongers lose! :)
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rachel89

Just a complaint, but I think it is really degrading that the level of public discourse around transgender issues is at whether or not we even have the right to go pee in an often filthy public restroom or change our sweaty clothing in a smelly, though gender appropriate locker room. Public facilities are usually disgusting and it is degrading that it requires activism in order to have the right to use something that most people prefer not to use in the first place.


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rachel89

BTW, with locker rooms, why don't people understand that we don't really to go parading around the locker room naked (something that most cis people would prefer not to do). It is bad enough that I have to see man-junk when I go to the bathroom, take a shower, or get dressed, so why do people think someone with gender dysphoria would ever want other people to their junk.


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rachel89

The next time one of these neanderthals in a state legislator trys to ban trans people from gender-appropriate restrooms, we should show up at the statehouse en masse and give them what they want. Bearded trans men (especially post-op) can use the ladies room and leave the toilet seat in terrible condition and not flush (why on earth do men leave a disgusting mess and not flush in public restrooms). Us ladies can use the men's room, post-op women can attempt to use the urinal and/or leave maxi pads/pantyliners  laying around the stalls and all of us can do what women do best in the bathroom, which is take a really, really, long time. The moment Buck angel shows up, these neanderthals will be changing there tune. 


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mac1

I still think that the only real solution is to eliminate all gender specific public restrooms. Make them all multi-user unisex with adequately private stalls. This will save costs and space, and equalize waiting times. It will also eliminate the need for an additional single-user unisex or family restroom.
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michelle

I think the solution to the bathroom problem is not to judge people by who they are, but judge them by their behavior.   If people are exposing themselves to other's deliberately and not minding their manners, then they should be arrested.   If trans women are using the restroom like any other woman is, and minding their own business, then they should be left alone.   The same goes for trans men in the men's room.
Be true to yourself.  The future will reveal itself in its own due time.    Find the calm at the heart of the storm.    I own my womanhood.

I am a 69-year-old transsexual school teacher grandma & lady.   Ethnically I am half Irish  and half Scandinavian.   I can be a real bitch or quite loving and caring.  I have never taken any hormones or had surgery, I am out 24/7/365.
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Aazhie

Quote from: suzifrommd on June 12, 2014, 06:20:48 AM

We're assuming people are born knowing about and understanding our bathroom issues. We assume people have thought about it. We assume that if they haven't, they're narrow minded bigots who can't be reached.

Well, they don't, they haven't, and they aren't.
WE HAVEN'T GIVEN THEM THE FACTS!

And I guarantee that the cis person is very, very rare who has sat down and asked himself/herself what it must be like to be living as woman everywhere for every purpose but be forced to use the men's restroom (or vice versa).

Alright, I'll get down from my soap box before I fall off and break something.

Ha ha ha, no I think you are very right.  The Ladies/Gents and nonbinary folks of all those selfie "me in the mens/womwn's bathroom" series are the ones making a GREAT point and making people think.  I only wish I was more pumped up on T just so I could sport beefy hairy arms and take some of my own with some girlie friends.

Cis people have never been forced to feel the things we feel.  Many cisgender folk can consider thinsg from a trans person's perspective but unless they have been exposed (ha ha, pun not intended) to the idea, how can you expect them to immediately agree? Even if you can only do so online, being visable and educating people who know nothing about Transgender issues is the way to ease these problems.

Also... though the polling companies MIGHT be trying to get an accurate reading, theose numbers are dismally small and I'd like to know what the demographics of the people they are polling.  If they are just randomly calling phone numbers- who usually has the time and energy to deal with telemarketers?? Older, more conservative people or those who are highly opinioned or who are just bored or don't knwo any better to hang up the phone...  So in all honesty the survey is probably about 90% BS!!!  XD
You build on failure. You use it as a stepping stone. Close the door on the past. You don't try to forget the mistakes, but you don't dwell on it. You don't let it have any of your energy, or any of your time, or any of your space.
Johnny Cash
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Aazhie

Quote from: mac1 on February 23, 2015, 12:03:11 PM
I still think that the only real solution is to eliminate all gender specific public restrooms. Make them all multi-user unisex with adequately private stalls. This will save costs and space, and equalize waiting times. It will also eliminate the need for an additional single-user unisex or family restroom.

Have to say:  I live in a small liberal town where a lot of buildings can't be retrofitted to have more bathrooms.  Most places have one tiny gender neutral bathroom.  It's cost efficient for the businesses and makes my life easier
You build on failure. You use it as a stepping stone. Close the door on the past. You don't try to forget the mistakes, but you don't dwell on it. You don't let it have any of your energy, or any of your time, or any of your space.
Johnny Cash
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michelle

Using the bathroom that agrees with your gender identification is a matter of knowing your bathrooms, common sense, and observing how busy and who has entered the bathroom.   I know at the fast food restaurants,  Wendies, McDonald's, Krystal, etc.,   that the womens bathrooms have two encloses stalls,  one large one for wheelchairs which  has a toilet and sink and one smaller stall.  If a bunch of other women or young children have entered the bathroom, it makes no sense for me to go into the restroom and stand around with the other girls because I run the risk of not being accepted as a woman by one of the other women.   When I do enter I enter the wheel chair bathroom because it affords the most privacy for everything I need to do.   I leave quickly and quietly.   If you are in an urban area most people are not looking too closely anyway.   When I presented as a male,  I usually used the stalls in the men's room and sat down to pee,  because I had bashful plumbing.   Walmart has a multitude of stalls and you can usually find one empty.   When you are in the ladies room behave like a lady, and in the restroom behave like a man.   Most of the time you will pass, if people in the store have never seen you as anything but a man or a woman in urban areas.   Small rural towns everybody knows, and life depends upon how well you are accepted and if you are seen as a threat.   Don't use any restrooms in places where you have had difficuties.   I have used ladies restrooms in clinics, courthouses, elementary schools, middle schools, high schools, fast food places, gas and food stations, etc and never had a problem.  However,  no one ever sees me as anything else than a plain dressed little old lady like you see in my avatar.   I am also retired and don't work so I don't have to worry about passing in the workplace.         If your inner voice tells you to be careful, be careful.   Remember guys act more brassy than women do,  unless as a woman you can project, that I am large and in charge.   But, in that case you had better not be showing two many physical male physical characteristics.   You need to act like a diva and not John Wayne.   

Also it helps as a trans lady if you travel with other gals who accept you.   As a trans man it helps if you enter the restroom as one of the guys.  If you have children then you need to behave in your appropriate gender parenting role, and be prepared for your kid to out you, by her calling out, "Dad!"   Then just pretend like she does this all the time.
Be true to yourself.  The future will reveal itself in its own due time.    Find the calm at the heart of the storm.    I own my womanhood.

I am a 69-year-old transsexual school teacher grandma & lady.   Ethnically I am half Irish  and half Scandinavian.   I can be a real bitch or quite loving and caring.  I have never taken any hormones or had surgery, I am out 24/7/365.
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Jake25

I don't understand why there can't just be more unisex bathrooms. So if there's not a unisex bathroom that means once I'm male looking and am passing I can't just go in the male bathroom and sit down in a stall? Right now I look like a woman wearing men's clothing and I shop often and when I try on clothes and go into a female changing room no one questions. I'm not sure what will happen when I do though.
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mac1

Quote from: michelle on April 06, 2015, 11:39:17 PM
I think the solution to the bathroom problem is not to judge people by who they are, but judge them by their behavior.   If people are exposing themselves to other's deliberately and not minding their manners, then they should be arrested.   If trans women are using the restroom like any other woman is, and minding their own business, then they should be left alone.   The same goes for trans men in the men's room.
That is why we should have multi-user unisex restrooms with adequately private stalls.
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YaBoy14

I haven't even began T and for the last year or so I have been questioned, taunted, yelled and stared at whenever I use a womens restroom just for the simple facts that my hair is very short and I have been blessed with a naturally male-appearing build.  I have been talked Sh** to once for using a mens restroom.  These days I just use whichever I find more convenient and I just say to them "hey, at least I wasn't creepily staring through the cracks watching you pee like your 5-year old was just doing to me."  Life is too short to explain my journey to every person that seems to find a problem with which restroom I'm using and not everyone is going to be educated enough to get it. 

Trying to regulate which restrooms trans kids are using is going to end up blowing over once they realize what kind of problems it creates in the social aspects of the kids that this it is being enforced upon.. As if growing up isn't hard enough, why put the young trans community on the spot like that?  Live and let live, America. 
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Katiepie

At work I hate hate hate using the men's bathroom. There's only one stall and usually occupied, or if not occupied, left a disaster. The toilet left unflushed, pee and feces everywhere, toilet paper and seat covers all over the place like a whirlwind had just happened. Vulgar messages written in sharpie all over the walls, also there are way too many partitions and cracks on the enclosure itself.
Every time i had to use it I always went in with gloves, cleaner, and wads of paper towels, I would clean it up nice, scrub the toilet inside and out before using it, as well as using a bunch of the seat covers before I would do my business.

Due to one of our employees getting sexually assaulted in the women's bathroom late at night, the guy ran before anyone was able to do anything. But anyways there are new locks on both the outer door and inner door to each restroom with individual codes for each. No one is allowed in without any of us to open the doors. As well as the store is now going to be closing at 10 pm instead of midnight, due to this.
The new locks are a godsend for myself, so I feel a little more security so there wouldn't be any disturbed potty breaks, it doesn't help the whole disaster toilet though.

I was told by my manager, as soon as I do express myself as Kate, I have full use of going to the women's bathroom, but to just make sure I cover my bases with HR first.

In the scheme of it all, in smaller drug stores and with how spacious each bathroom is, I don't see how it would be difficult to isolate two separate individual gender neutral bathrooms per each "facility". Of course there would be needing of rerouted plumbing for the secondary sink in a secondary location, or even have a slight lobby like station with isolated rooms to do business in.  Of course remodeling something as such would require major funding, and a lot of time to implement.


On a separate note, being military, I've seen some interesting layouts of bathrooms while being in training. As such the women's bathrooms, of course having countless stalls, but at the same time, also having a wall of pure urinals still in tact and in working condition. It must have been easier to not need to reroute or block off certain plumbing when construction of the bathrooms and other sort of remodels.

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Kate♄
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