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do you think the Caitlyn Jenner story will speed the trans revolution

Started by stephaniec, June 01, 2015, 02:24:54 PM

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Do you think the Jenner story will speed things

absolutely
39 (39.8%)
possibly
40 (40.8%)
not quite sure
10 (10.2%)
absolutely not there will always be the same problems
9 (9.2%)

Total Members Voted: 86

stephaniec

She looks great and should stick in peoples minds. I hope this going to fuel the momentum.
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Dee Marshall

I think we're reaching a critical mass of visibility. There will be a bad reaction followed by eventual acceptance by society. The players are always the same. A new, marginalized group becomes visible. The average person, distanced, gives them no thought. Eventually they stick their necks out. While they're still a novelty most people don't give them a thought. Some prominent people admit to being part of the group. The vast majority are intrigued and titillated. Suddenly, they begin to realize that these people are their sons and daughters, their neighbors. A face is placed on the anonymous group. Some people, going by previous familiarity with individuals in the group, become various levels of ally. Some realize they were part of the group all along. Some people, equating newness and unfamiliarity with evil, are frightened, disgusted. When those people feel threatened enough something bad happens. Before long the entire population is polarized. Over some period of time, years, decades, centuries, the new group becomes part of the background and the reactionaries begin to lose their fear, if not their disgust. A new equilibrium is reached.

Our gay brothers and sisters are deep into this last stage. We're just entering it. No telling how long it will last though. Caitlyn Jenner is a symptom, not necessarily an active agent of change. She doesn't have to do anything other than be to move the process along and neither do we. The reactionaries are trying, intentionally or no, to push us back into the closet. Going in and shutting the door can only delay the inevitable.
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LizMarie

Nothing is ever guaranteed, but I think she will help. I think every positive publicly visible trans person helps. Not everyone can or wants to do that, but those that do should be thanked for their efforts (as opposed to attacked, taunted, and torn down, which I have seen in other forums).
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Jill F

I suspect the flood gates are going to open very soon.  The taboo's days are numbered and I think we are about to find out that the actual number of transgender people is much greater than previously thought.
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cindianna_jones

She brings visibility. I'm thankful that there are those who really stick their personal lives out there. I've seen many positive changes over the past couple of decades for gays and lesbians. I"m really happy that they added that T on the GLBT acronym.

Cindi
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suzifrommd

Already, I feel much more comfortable when I disclose I'm transgender. I get reactions, Oh, like <former name> Jenner. There's less I need to explain.
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Sarah leah

I think it is a wonderful public image for us. I only dislike the airbrushing in it :(

(it being magazine)


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Jill F

Quote from: Sarah leah on June 01, 2015, 05:29:27 PM
I think it is a wonderful public image for us. I only dislike the airbrushing in it :(

(it being magazine)

All magazines have photohopping and/or airbrushing.  Otherwise celebs would look just as average as you and I.  I mean seriously, who would want to buy a magazine with a fat zit on George Clooney's forehead?
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stephaniec

I  could use some airbrushing . I could use her body too as long as we talking about it.
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Tiffanie

When the speculation first started and Bruce (at the time) was hiding and evading everything I was so worried that the few advances made over the past couple of years would be shot down.

Since the interview and now being Caitlyn openly it will fire up the haters but likely make many people take a second look at the transgender subject.

Devlyn

Quote from: Jill F on June 01, 2015, 04:22:58 PM
I suspect the flood gates are going to open very soon.  The taboo's days are numbered and I think we are about to find out that the actual number of transgender people is much greater than previously thought.

I'm going with the 1 in 20 or 5% of the population estimate.  Wanna start a pool?  :)

Hugs, Devlyn
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Emileeeee

Quote from: Jill F on June 01, 2015, 04:22:58 PM
I suspect the flood gates are going to open very soon.  The taboo's days are numbered and I think we are about to find out that the actual number of transgender people is much greater than previously thought.

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on June 01, 2015, 06:08:52 PM
I'm going with the 1 in 20 or 5% of the population estimate.  Wanna start a pool?  :)


I'll take a more conservative number, like 1 in 100



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iKate

I'm happy for her but I'm already seeing lots of negative reaction, misgendering and bad jokes. Visibility may be good but I'm scared at the same time.
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Arch

Today, I was unfortunately stuck in a shuttle with the radio on. Jenner came up, and the banter could have been more respectful. Seriously, when she actually does go through the "big unveiling" with a female name and a decidedly female presentation on the cover of a hugely popular magazine, radio personalities have no business using slash terms (I think it was "him/her" in this case). Still, it could have been much worse.

I'm always uncomfortable when someone in the public eye comes out. The publicity tends to be a mixed blessing. I hope that in the long run, it will be only a blessing. But I'm not holding my breath. I think the community needs more high-profile disclosures.

One thing she has going for her--and we do, too--is that she was an icon of masculine physicality and maleness. That, I believe, will make some people think about what's really going on in trans people's minds and hearts. On the other hand, I think that Jenner's past opens her up to more vitriol from haters than she would otherwise experience. I just hope that more enlightened people are willing to challenge them and shut them down and expose them as the ignorant bigots they really are.

We'll have to wait and see. But whatever the outcome, I'm grateful that I'm not one of these public figures. I would rather work quietly and subtly behind the scenes whenever the opportunity arises.
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Emileeeee

Quote from: Arch on June 01, 2015, 06:53:10 PM
One thing she has going for her--and we do, too--is that she was an icon of masculine physicality and maleness. That, I believe, will make some people think about what's really going on in trans people's minds and hearts. On the other hand, I think that Jenner's past opens her up to more vitriol from haters than she would otherwise experience. I just hope that more enlightened people are willing to challenge them and shut them down and expose them as the ignorant bigots they really are.

That part actually scares me the most. A bunch of manly men from that time chose Bruce as a hero for their sons (my father being one of them). With this transition, what my father deems to be core traits of masculinity, have been ripped to shreds, which means the standard my father uses to compare himself to as a man, no longer exists. It's messed his day up pretty good and not in a good way. I'm sure he's not the only one that now finds himself in this position.
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cindianna_jones

Oh, shredding stereotypical models is a great thing for our society. It tends to sort out and expose the bigots.

;)

Cindi
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katrinaw

I am with the possibly will... because the profile of Caitlyn will be high and forefront, but not sure on overall acceptance levels. A lot of folks have been, unwittingly, indoctrinated with biased or bigotry views, whilst Caitlyn Jenner will probably pull down some of that it probably won't necessarily change the world.

But fully agree with Jill and Devlyn regarding the numbers of folk that will come-out or admit who they are will be high, however I would estimate that the numbers would be more like 1 in the 100's, but of course just saying or actually feeling and meaning it? A lot of folks may just want the fame?
So, I think of true closeted folks I would say maybe 1 in 200 just to keep the idea of a pool going  :P

Cindi, given my opening paragraph... so agree this may well be the case, lets just hope

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stephaniec

It seems to have lit some sort of fire.  What's Pat Robertson spewing on the tv?
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Jill F

Quote from: Emileeeee on June 01, 2015, 07:08:28 PM
That part actually scares me the most. A bunch of manly men from that time chose Bruce as a hero for their sons (my father being one of them). With this transition, what my father deems to be core traits of masculinity, have been ripped to shreds, which means the standard my father uses to compare himself to as a man, no longer exists. It's messed his day up pretty good and not in a good way. I'm sure he's not the only one that now finds himself in this position.

I find it so ironic that so many men's sense of masculinity is so fragile that can be threatened by a transwoman merely existing.   In my book, true machismo should be unfazed and perhaps even reinforced by such things.  A truly confident man would be defending her all day long.
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