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Started by Nero, November 24, 2007, 12:26:14 PM

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Nero

A Pastor Changes Gender

http://regulus2.azstarnet.com/blogs/desertbeliefs/6782/

by Stephanie Innes
www.azstar.net.com
11/23/07


'The Rev. Drew Phoenix is pastor of St. John's Methodist Church.

Phoenix used to be the Rev. Ann Gordon.

The reason this has made news is that the United Methodist Church's highest judicial body recently ruled that, Phoenix may remain pastor of his congregation.'
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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RebeccaFog

an FtM?  wouldn't he now be a pasther?
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Kate Thomas

#2
Ooo REBIS

Quotean FtM?  wouldn't he now be a past/her?

That was Bad!

am searching for a boot to throw.
;D ;)
"But who is that on the other side of you?"
T.S. Eliot
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Kaeren

Nostradamus tells this in quatrain X 75

http://www.sacred-texts.com/nos/mrg/nosmrg10.htm

X 75
Tant attendu ne reuiendra iamais
Dedans l'Europe, en Asie apparoistra
Vn de la ligue yssu du grand Hermés,
Et sur tous Roys des Orients croistra.

Long awaited he will never return
In Europe, he will appear in Asia:
One of the league issued from the great Hermes,
And he will grow over all the Kings of the East.

Some say that this is the second coming of Christ. In other words the second coming would be one belonging to Hermes if Nostradamus is right of course.

According to Wikipedia Hermes is the Olympian god of boundaries and of the travelers who cross them, of shepherds and cowherds, of orators and wit, of literature and poets, of athletics, of weights and measures, of invention, of commerce in general, and of the wowing of thieves and liars.

But Hermes is also the father of Hermaphroditus ( and of eros and of Tyche for luck). An intersex person. Meaning that the second christ might be an intersexed of whatever kind. There is at least a possibility. Taken into consideration that he/she would appear in Asia, admit that the link with SRS surgery is at least possible.

So maybe the church shouldn't too much be against this because the supposed savior to come which is supposed to put the church back in its early glory, the king of kings and lord of lords, the president of the united states of the world if you want might be a transgendered also.

Karen.



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RebeccaFog

I both take credit and apologize for my remark.    :laugh:
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katia

how does someone change genders? ??? ??? ???
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Kaeren


Can you change gender ?

The outside yes but the inside ?
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RebeccaFog

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Shana A

"Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." Oscar Wilde


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U. Jean

I am friends with a member of Drew Phoenix's church. Drew is a great person. The questions you raise concerning how does one change gender are important to all of us.  Unless I am badly mistaken, Drew claims to have always been male. He has not changed genders. It may be that the answer to this very question is the reason we have had so much trouble communicating the reality of our situation.

I am a male to female person; married for thirty-seven years to the same person; transitioned seven years and am also an ordained minister. Like Drew, I did not change genders. Let me explain.

I knew nothing of the LGBT community or trans-lingo until I found a doctor in 1999. Someone help me with this please. The words transgender and transsexual puzzle me. I know they have nothing to do with medical lingo but I also know of no one who claims to actually 'be' trans-anything. We claim the labels but not what the labels imply. Hetero cross-dressers claim to be a single gender whether dressed or not; though some will use opposite pronouns. Folks like me (GID) know themselves to have a gender identity before transition that matches the one they have after transition.  The reason I transitioned is because I am female; not to become female. Even after four surgeries, my genotype is the same. Neither gender nor sex went trans-anywhere.

I heard one of our antagonist, a well known radio personality, use the two words against us and state that our labels represent a basic lie. Why do we use transgender and transsexual? Are we not confusing congress, clergy and employer with what appears to be misinformation?  Don't they know by instinct that we do not change genders? Are they not just confused about the fact that our gender did not change?
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tinkerbell

Quote from: Katia on November 24, 2007, 11:08:05 PM
how does someone change genders? ??? ??? ???

You just "imagine", "imagine", "imagine" and "become" what you want! remember? 

>:D

tink :icon_chick:
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U. Jean

Quote from: Tink on November 25, 2007, 04:30:33 PM
Quote from: Katia on November 24, 2007, 11:08:05 PM
how does someone change genders? ??? ??? ???

You just "imagine", "imagine", "imagine" and "become" what you want! remember? 

>:D

tink :icon_chick:

Did you change gender? Did you not always identify as female even though you may have expressed as male?
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tinkerbell

Quote from: U. Jean on November 25, 2007, 04:36:00 PMDid you change gender? Did you not always identify as female even though you may have expressed as male?

No.  I changed my sex, not my gender.  My gender has always been female since the day I was born or perhaps conceived.

tink :icon_chick:

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U. Jean

I understand what you are saying. I had reassignment surgery too. I am not transsexual because I did not change chromosomal genotype. That is why the DSM was changed to GID and transsexual was retired. Our critics are hurting us with trans-language. We did not change sex in their minds unless chromosomes changed. I am the best woman I can be but I am not a genetic woman. Even Christine Jorgensen said there had been "no change," only a determination of who we already are. I am female and I am sure you are too.
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TheBattler

Quote from: Tink on November 25, 2007, 04:30:33 PM
Quote from: Katia on November 24, 2007, 11:08:05 PM
how does someone change genders? ??? ??? ???

You just "imagine", "imagine", "imagine" and "become" what you want! remember? 

>:D

tink :icon_chick:

This is what is happening to me.

Alice
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tinkerbell

??? did I mention I had had SRS?  Wow, I must say that people seem to know a lot about us lately...

tink :icon_chick:
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