A person on a feminists blog (cis woman) was saying ->-bleeped-<- doesn't exist. She said it was no different from believing you were born into the wrong species or the wrong race. It made me slightly mad im not going to lie. I wish she could've been born trans to know what its like. I cant explain my identity to her. I cant show her the essence of my existence. And so, I didn't respond to her post.
I wanted to know what you all thought. I don't think anyone on the planet understands the complexity of the brain- her included.

being born trans is possible the worse fate one can have. its something worse than death in my opinion and i wouldnt wish it upon even the worst of my enemies. however, you just have to let people believe what they want because in the end, its about how you feel and its you making the decision. people just want to find something to complain about because they really have nothing better to do. now the question because does it matter what she thinks? if she doesnt think trans people exist than let her think that and move on with your life for i'm pretty sure you have other stuff you need to worry about.

I would just send her the following link and if she lacks the intelligence to understand it, I would give up on the argument because it's not possible to win the argument with logic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_transsexualism

I get worked up sometime.. I cant really talk about this stuff with my family
I checked out the link.. very informative

I was told today that it was a choice.  So... not so much.  I squashed that statement.  How could I choose something like that at 5 and retain it compulsively for 45+ years. Not so much....  I wish it was a choice as it's terribly inconvenient.
I won't lie though, since accepting it I have never been so happy.  Would I really want to "choose" it gone when my acceptance is making me happy? 
I would say that it's mental in that it is my sense of identity and who I want to be. 
If the cause of that is a physical wiring issue or persistent chemical influence or the demonic gender altering influence of fairies from outer space it really doesn't matter cause the truth is that we have it, can't cure it and need to live with it. 

She is either uninformed, or bigoted, or both.

Don't worry about it. Its not your battle to fight.

I think one of the worst things I've done recently is read the comment sections on websites like CNN or MSN when they run articles on transgender topics.  The ignorance and disdain by most of the commenters is hard to take. Gee, nice to know I am mentally ill, an affront to God, and a danger to children.

I have grown up feeling damaged, wrong, perverted, ashamed, and broken.  And that's just my childhood.

Ravenna, you are not alone when it comes to the frustration and hurt one can feel because of these small-minded, boorish people.  My heart goes out to you.

Be well and stay strong,

Terri

Quote from: SarahBoo on June 15, 2015, 09:14:26 PM
She is either uninformed, or bigoted, or both.

Don't worry about it. Its not your battle to fight.

^^ This.

People posting junk like that online can hide behind their keyboards so they feel safe and they feel free to run other people down - its feels empowering to them to post bigoted and hateful comments which makes them feel better about their own lives - which is actually a very sad thing to say. They were the bullies that we knew in high school and they haven't matured one bit since then.

History will leave them and their ignorance behind in the dust. Don't let them get to you.

Life's too short.  Choose your battles wisely and don't let the knuckledraggers drag you down.

You got a problem with me?  Too bad for you.

Quote from: Maybebaby56 on June 15, 2015, 09:19:58 PM
I think one of the worst things I've done recently is read the comment sections on websites like CNN or MSN when they run articles on transgender topics.  The ignorance and disdain by most of the commenters is hard to take. Gee, nice to know I am mentally ill, an affront to God, and a danger to children.

That's why I've made a choice not to read any comments on websites at all. Really just people hiding behind a keyboard thinking they can say whatever they want.Same also goes for opinions by people on blogs websites, they all think they are an expert on everything. Oops sorry I better stop before I get going.

Don't let them get you down Ravenna!
Hugs from Raven

Quote from: Ravenna on June 15, 2015, 08:21:06 PMShe said it was no different from believing you were born into the wrong species or the wrong race.

Here is how you should respond to this kind of fallacious argument:

1) (Species) It is possible for humans to imagine or experience what it is like to be human, as well as to live in the shoes of another human being by interacting with or reading about them; however, it is not logically possible for a human to know what it is like to be a nonhuman in any real sense, just as we cannot expect a dog to know what it is like to be a squid, or a bat to know what it is like to be a velociraptor. Being transgender, however, is an experience of being human. Therefore, it is logically absurd to compare being transgender to believing one is another species because it is not possible to literally know what it is like to be another species. (Tell your friend to read Thomas Nagel's famous essay, 'What Is It Like To Be a Bat?' to go deeper into this kind of thinking, if she wishes to.)

2) (Race) Being transgender involves brain states that are describable by neuroscience. There is a neuroscientific explanation--in a general sense--of what it is like to be male or female (with some variation), and (binary) transgeder people have brains that correspond with the expectations of the gender they identify as. Race, by contrast, has no corresponding brain states. There is no 'black brain' or 'white brain' (and 'black' and 'white' are extremely vague terms, much like race itself), except in racist pseudoscience. The comparison, therefore, is without any foundation and is logically absurd. Race, moreover, is largely a social construct, like gender traits, but because race does not operate on the brain level like gender (can), and because it is more accurate to speak of geographic populations rather than 'races' (since one group of people on one side of a mountain may have very different genes than those on the other side of the mountain, even if they are 'racially' very similar-looking), race is actually even *more* of a social construct than gender.

Both arguments are common caricatures of transgender experience, but it is worth knowing that neither is actually logically or scientifically valid. You don't need to appeal to emotions to argue against such people; they're actually just plain wrong.

This is something that is part of the feminist movement.  It's not a new one.  If you found someone posting it on a blog they are likely a repeat of past sentiment of the feminist movement.

Here is an article about the current state and history:

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/08/04/woman-2

Thankfully this feminist idea is losing popularity, as it completely ignores the science of being transgender and intersex as well.

a lot of hardcore feminists have there own gender issues and some are probably ftm in denial...so many radical feminists want get rid of gender all together even to the point of looking and dressing like men...the only gender to them is genitals and chromosomes and if you were born with the "male" one your a horrible person...not all feminists think like that but the radical ones for sure... there is a feminine essence which some people have and others don't and it doesn't always match the chromosomes or private parts traditionally associated with feminine or masculine...to me that's what mtf is to me having a feminine "soul"(mind and brain in scientific terms) and "male" biology (body, chromosomes) most rad fems are masculine people so to them gender or being born in the wrong body makes no sense cause they want to reduce gender to chromosomes and private parts...

You cannot convince some people. Don't even try.

There are people who still believe the earth is flat and there are people who deny real science like climate change and basic human biology. There are people who believe that we faked the moon landing or that the UN is going to invade the USA and other such nonsense. Why waste your time?

Quote from: Ravenna on June 15, 2015, 08:21:06 PM
A person on a feminists blog (cis woman) was saying ->-bleeped-<- doesn't exist. She said it was no different from believing you were born into the wrong species or the wrong race. It made me slightly mad im not going to lie. I wish she could've been born trans to know what its like. I cant explain my identity to her. I cant show her the essence of my existence. And so, I didn't respond to her post.
I wanted to know what you all thought. I don't think anyone on the planet understands the complexity of the brain- her included.

I think anyone can be educated if they want to be. It's not hard to explain to someone willing to hear the experience and evidence that points to the fact that being transgender is not psychological, it is physiological.

However, someone who doesn't want to be educated, can't do anything about that.

I think there is an element in feminism that needs to believe that gender doesn't matter. It's been the core of their argument against sex discrimination for decades - that you need to treat men and women equally because there really is no difference other than what we define socially.

Quote from: Annabolton on June 16, 2015, 01:22:31 AM
a lot of hardcore feminists have there own gender issues and some are probably ftm in denial...so many radical feminists want get rid of gender all together even to the point of looking and dressing like men...the only gender to them is genitals and chromosomes and if you were born with the "male" one your a horrible person...not all feminists think like that but the radical ones for sure... there is a feminine essence which some people have and others don't and it doesn't always match the chromosomes or private parts traditionally associated with feminine or masculine...to me that's what mtf is to me having a feminine "soul"(mind and brain in scientific terms) and "male" biology (body, chromosomes) most rad fems are masculine people so to them gender or being born in the wrong body makes no sense cause they want to reduce gender to chromosomes and private parts...

Up to about a years ago that description would have been a bit hard for me to believe but I ran into one on another web site and the description is dead on. This is the only web site that my medical history is known and I post as genderless or female if needed and as an expert in the subject. She was calling me a man even when I explain my ID disagreed with here statement. Her picture looked very masculine and the hate in her post was incredible. I even added that I have been around a large number of gay women and they accepted me but she would't believe me.

your a beautiful woman

Sent from my SCH-S968C using Tapatalk

Just so we are clear, there is no debate or doubt in the field of neuroscience about the causes and existence of transgender brains.

Every study done support the finding that gender brain development in mammals happens at a different time than the rest of the body, in fact some of the gender brain development happens after birth.

All human studies of transgender people show that brain structure and area sized are different in transgender people than cis people and fall much closer to the gender they identify as.

Animal testing has been done where fetuses and newly borns were exposed to different sex hormones during the development of the body and the brain, they grow up to have behaviour and brain structures of one gender while being born in the bodies of another gender.

In fact if you really want to piss off a neuroscientist just start talking about reparative therapy.

I asked a psychologist for help in the very early 80s.  I went to one in San Francisco with a gay practice and explained my orientation as bisexual and my sense of feeling like a woman and not being a man at all.  He strongly suggested, and another PhD psychologist did too, that this was just a phase for me and that I was denying my big gay bottom-ness and that being bi was also a phase.  That set me back for a long time as I continued to struggle with dysphoria and dissociation but transitioned socially to somewhat more androgynous.

Even well educated people can get us wrong.  The term Transgender wasn't even used then and not on many radars.  We are seeing a major change in the public and health care providers understanding of us.  It's about time!  I think there is also a commensurate backlash by those who feel threatened by diversity and sharing space with us.  Get used to a more colorful world

One thing I notice is that they always like to put forth the view of Paul R. McHugh, the psychiatrist from Johns Hopkins. Haven't his theories been discredited numerous times?