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Questioning & transitioning as an adult (FtM)

Started by redki, June 21, 2015, 09:50:48 AM

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redki

Hi everyone,

I've been questioning my gender a lot recently, and I'm really hoping some of you may be able to help! Sorry in advance for the length of this post...

Basically up until about 3 months ago, I had never questioned my gender at all. I wasn't very "girly" as a child (and that didn't change as I grew older) but I was comfortable with being a bit of a tomboy. I maybe felt slightly different from other girls my age -- I wrote that off as a typical teenager thing and when I came out as a lesbian a few years later, it seemed like a mystery solved.

Around 3 months ago I started to feel more uncomfortable with the female aspects of myself, but not so intensely that I would call it dysphoria.  When I look in the mirror I'm almost surprised by my reflection. Yes I'd prefer a more masculine appearance, but I'm not distressed by my body as it currently is. At the same time, thinking of myself as female or as a girl just doesn't feel right to me.

So, my main question pretty much comes down to this:

All the trans narratives I've heard so far seem to indicate that most people knew (at least in some way) from childhood. Is it possible to be trans, but not to realise it until you're already into adulthood? Without experiencing dysphoria?

I'm 25 now and I'm just so confused. I feel like if I am trans, wouldn't I have known earlier?

Thanks in advance for any replies -- any help or advice you can offer would be greatly appreciated!!
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LordKAT

It is not only possible, but common, to not know as a child.  It is also possible to be somewhere in the middle. Many see gender as a spectrum rather than just 2 sides.

Welcome to Susan's. I'm glad you came here and I think you will find many others who made the discovery as adults.


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Dena

Welcome to Susan's Place. That is one of the mysteries of us. Some children know at age 2 or 3 what they are. Many discover what they are when puberty hits them and I was one. The remainder discover much latter in life. My roommate served in the air force and had three wives with discovery happening around age 50. There are several other people I have seen wandering around the board who fall into this class and are facing transitioning at age 50 to 60. As a FTM you might have covered some of your discomfort with the lesbian life style and then again it could be for some other reason.
FTM are often able to gain a degree of comfort by dressing and appearing male. Society accepts women wearing mens clothes but for those of us who are MTF the bar is set a bit higher. For society to accept us wearing women's clothes we must look like a woman and not a man dressed up in woman's clothes. Reverse discrimination? I knew it when I signed on so I can't complain.
We take many different paths to discovery but the words in your greeting indicate you need to explore your feelings and this is the right place to do it.
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Jenna Marie

That standard narrative is (seriously) one of the main reasons I'm still here telling my story. I was like you; I basically realized abruptly at age 32 that I was a woman and needed to transition. I had no clue as a kid or young adult - I personally feel that I was a cis guy once, I just outgrew it - and I was convinced I had to be confused or faking because I couldn't find any stories like mine. I didn't hate my body, I wasn't miserable or depressed much less suicidal, and I just "wanted" to transition.

I can't tell you whether you are or not, but I can tell you I ended up fully transitioning and am still delighted about it. :)  My advice is to see a therapist and explore temporary transition steps (presenting male in public occasionally, binding, etc.) and see how you feel about it. If you're not happy with that path, it'll become clearer as time goes on; if you are, that too will be easier to see. And notice I stressed being happy - you should do what makes YOU happier, regardless of what other cis or trans people think is an "appropriate trans journey." You're entitled to your own narrative.
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redki

Thank you all so much for your responses. It's definitely a relief to know there are others like me.

Dena, I think you're right about covering some discomfort as a lesbian. Ever since I came out, I've dressed more and more in male clothing (except at work). While I don't 'pass' as male as I currently am, the freedom to dress that way has probably helped quite a lot.

Jenna Marie - I'm really glad you've stuck around, it's so good to hear someone with a similar experience tell their story! What you said about being convinced you were faking it is exactly how I feel. I've read so much about people knowing as children, and because my own experience hasn't matched up with theirs at all, it sometimes seems like it can't be real.

Thank you for your advice. I'm a bit reluctant to see a gender specialist while I'm still so unsure of myself (I feel like I'd be taking resources away from people who need them more) but I've been considering buying a binder for a while so it might be time to take that step and see how it feels, then I can go from there  :)
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Jenna Marie

redki : Honestly, I'm not sure *anyone* needs a gender therapist more than someone who's still questioning. :) Though they're often presented as the dispensers of letters, etc. they are therapists, and one of the things therapists are best at is helping people clarify their thinking and figure out what they need out of life. (I'm not pressuring you to go if you otherwise don't want to or don't feel the need, but I absolutely do not think you'd be "wasting" resources by going to a gender therapist as someone who needs both the gender and therapist halves of the job description.)
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redki

Thanks Jenna Marie, when you put it that way it makes a lot of sense ;D I guess I'm just concerned about taking a therapist's time when others with more severe dysphoria might then have a longer wait.

I'll definitely consider it though - from what I understand, there can be some pretty long wait times to get an appointment at a gender clinic here in the UK, so it might be a good idea to start the ball rolling.
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Dena

rdki: You don't know how much you need a gender specialist. You could spend years trying to figure out the right questions to ask yourself. In therapy you will have an answer in as little as a few weeks. On the other hand I am picking up FTM vibes from you even if you aren't aware of them. You are ready for an expert.
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redki

I guess it would be good to have an answer sooner rather than later, whatever that answer may be. I'll try and speak to my GP this week about getting a referral for a gender therapist.

Thank you Dena :)
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Venom

Hi redki,

This is a lot longer than I thought it would be, feel free to skip down to the "Long story short" bolded words.



Like you it wasn't until my adult years where I began questioning my gender identity. I grew up as a tomboy and proudly embraced the rough and tumble lifestyle of sporty kid who enjoyed playing with the boys. I wore "boys" clothes from the time I was able to begin choosing my own right through to this day. I had to bribed just so I wore a dress, but even then I'd be wearing some "real" clothes on underneath. All the while I never once questioned if I wasn't a girl as I had been so swiftly assigned at birth no thanks in part to my genitalia.

The term transgender wasn't ever on my radar until last year, alongside the term nonbinary. I didn't know there were genders other than boy/girl or man/woman, I felt like I had been living under a rock my entire life. I suppose that I have.

I kept this revelation a secret for months, worrying over it like an itchy scab. I have clinical depression, and this set me off into a spiraling abyss. I was at breaking point when I finally had enough. I fought with my mother on an almost daily basis, I was irritable and highly strung. I had hidden this monster in the closet to the point where it was fighting for a breath of fresh air, clawing at the walls of my sanity. It was around one in the morning, late in March when I finally stopped trying to hide it. I had gone outside and was just standing there, watching the night sky. I didn't have any intention of coming out, I don't even know why I went out there. It was a clear night, and just as my mother began asking me what was wrong, a shooting star flew across the sky. The floodgates slammed open, I couldn't keep this a secret any longer. I told her whilst fighting tears, standing in the yard while she stood under the patio as I didn't want to be close enough to see her expression.

To my absolute relief, my mother was accepting, as was her boyfriend, a man I consider my father. She told me that she knew I was different, that I had been like this since I was a kid. She told me that I could do anything I wanted in life, provided I did so with an informed state of mind. It was a relief to not have to hide anymore, I haven't had an argument with my mother since.

The day after I booked an appointment with a gender therapist. Prior to this I was considering moving out, was considering to just skip out for the day and somehow make my way three hours north to get this appointment. I don't have a licence and don't have a car, so it's not much of a stretch to imagine how worried my family would have been if I simply wasn't there one day.

I made the appointment in late March and the earliest was for Mid June. I went to that appointment last week, and it wasn't what I expected or hoped for, but it was a start. I now know the steps I need to take, the direction I want to go. I'm not certain if I am FTM or not, but I do know enough to comfortably say that I do identify as transmasculine. I plan to go to a not-so-local support group next month, which I hope will give me some "real life" experience with other people like me. I'm an introvert and socially isolated at best, so going there will be an exercise very much out of my comfort zone, but I want answers, and I want to be comfortable with what the future might hold for me.

The monster wasn't really a monster, it was just a part of me that was so starved of acknowledgement that it resorted to extreme measures to be noticed. I'm still trying to embrace that I'm transgender, and I'm still coming to terms with the knowledge that I've been so disconnected with my feelings and emotions that I didn't notice this earlier. It's the thought of turning my unhappy existence into a possibly fulfilling life that keeps me going, there's a chance for me and I don't want to let it fly me by.



Long story short, it's not an uncommon narrative where someone questions their gender identity later in life. It might not be the stereotypical story, but it's one that you and I, as well as many others, have experienced. I certainly didn't know earlier, although at times I did feel like things weren't adding up. I'm glad I found out though, even if I do feel like I've been living under a rock. At least now I have a somewhat more optimistic approach to what my future might hold for me.

I'm going to suggest to see a gender therapist as well, the sooner you make an appointment, the less time you need to wait sorting through these feelings by yourself. I'm a stubborn son of a gun when it comes to dealing with problems by myself, and it took me eight years just to get help for my depression. Eight miserable, this isn't living, it's existing, years. I hated being in that predicament, and I dislike the idea of someone else going through it too. At least with gender therapy it only took me six months to seek help, and another three to begin receiving it.

If you think you're ready for gender therapy, I think it would be a good idea to make that appointment and see how it goes. My therapist helped me realise that even if I don't really know where on the masculine part of spectrum I am, that I do need to seek further transition. Social isn't enough for me, I want... no, need medical transition to feel comfortable in my skin.

I'm going to parrot Jenna Marie and also suggest to experiment with expression or other social transition steps. I already had the masculine expression down pat before questioning my gender identity, so my steps began with coming out, binding, name change and pronoun change. The latter two are a work in progress, but again, it's moreso to do with my doormat personality and extreme dislike for inconveniencing people than anything else. 

Best of luck in your journey redki, I hope my post wasn't overwhelming.
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Marissa_K

I always had my issues on my mind as long as I can remember but didn't really become debilitating until about turning 30. I always thought about it and wondered what if, but 90% of the time I was OK and kept telling myself I'll be fine and I don't need any medical/physical intervention, while 10% of them time it was really dragging me down and made me think I must do something. My issue is that from my teens to my 30's, the 90-10% ratio became 10-90%. I finally got to the point at 33 where I can't hold off any longer, I must do it. It is now pretty much the only thing on my mind. In fact not because I encourage it, but I can actually really understand people that are driven to self harm, alcohol and drug abuse over gender identity. Luckily my work schedule and and other things in my life keep me busy enough that I won't resort to that.

redki

Hi Venom. Thanks so much for your advice and for taking the time to share your story with me, congrats on finding the right path for yourself (though I'm sorry it's been a rough road up to this point).
It's nice to hear of positive coming out experiences too. I must admit that concerns me slightly. I don't know how my parents would take it, although I hope they'd be as accepting as your mother and her boyfriend!

I can identify with a lot of what you said, and it's definitely given me a few things to think about. My next steps are going to be binding and finding a gender therapist. It could take a few months from referral before I can actually speak to someone, so it seems like a good idea to try some of the social/temporary transition steps that you and Jenna Marie have mentioned. I think experimenting with those steps might help me sort through some of my feelings and (if nothing else) will give me some good starting points to discuss with a therapist.

Good luck with your support group next month!


Typo, it's understandable that something so central to your identity is on your mind all the time :) I'm obviously at the very early stages and it's already been on my mind a lot - I can't even imagine how much it must start to overwhelm your thoughts if you've been dealing with it all your life. I hope the 10-90% ratio is now reversing itself again!
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rachel89

I am in a similar situation as far as not realizing when I was a toddler. For me it was both what seemed like an out the blue desire to transition and also putting pieces together. I get dysphoria though, and sometimes it can be really nasty, if you would be happier with living as a man, do it, you don't need dysphoria to to start transitioning, and you really, really don't want it, GD can be very debilitating, you just don't want it. 


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