When will that hate end? When will people understand LGBTI community?

Quote from: fluttershy1617 on June 29, 2015, 02:12:28 PM
When will that hate end? When will people understand LGBTI community?

Although it will never end, I think there will come a time when those who hate us will be marginalized.

When will that time come?

Easy question to answer. It will come when we take it upon ourselves to educate folks about who we are and why we do what we do.

It's decreasing very rapidly. As someone who has been an LGBT activist since right after Stonewall, the changes in society's perceptions and attitudes are nothing short of astonishing to me. Things are happening which I never expected to see in my lifetime, and the pace of change seems to be accelerating.

Is it a perfect world? Far from it; there will always be haters. But, um, yeah... it's getting better. A lot better. If you want to know what things were like in the "bad old days" before Stonewall, I recommend Leslie Feinberg's autobiographical novel, Stone Butch Blues. It's out of print, but you can borrow it from the Open Library. (Feinberg's non-fiction book, Transgender Warriors, is still in print and is also available from the same source.)

It is decreasing but it may not look like it for a few reasons the first being visibility its so easy for anyone with a idea to make sure everyone sees it in some cases this is a good thing but it also allows those full of hate to spread there message far and wide and makes them look far larger and stronger than they appear. Second when someone is ok with something or even a general level of approval they tend to be quiet about it but when someone hates something they are usually very very visible about it, and third those who oppose the LGBT community or really any minority tend to get very defensive when they see how things are going against them so like a cornered animal they lash out more and more violently.

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Definitely decreasing but the more attention is given to it positively the more negative comes along with it, seems to be a trending item in movies etc nowadays as well, like gays used to be hot in the 90's to use in movies.

Generally I would say as time passes it decreases as the general public is slowly becoming more tolerant. However it also depends on where you live and the people you surround yourself with. My family is extremely accepting and I currently live with my girlfriend surrounded by friend which means I rarely face homophobia or transphobia. So overall it varies.

I would say it's slowly decreasing in size, but those who still hate are becoming more desperate due to their shrinking numbers and are becoming more hateful and violent.

It's definitely decreasing as more people are becoming educated about the LGBTQ community and many of the people, especially in the evangelical Christian right are not so much haters as they are ignorant of LGBTQ people. They've been taught that gender and sexuality are black and white issues. We use the rainbow as a symbol because of the diversity in the community. They don't understand that for the vast majority of us, gender identity and sexual orientation are not choices. Yes there are haters so it is always wise to be on guard, but most of the vocal opposition to us is simply because they don't know any better. Many will come to understand as the LGBTQ community becomes even more mainstream and they get to know more gays, lesbians and transgender folk. Will all? No, but it will keep getting better. Have hope.

It is decreasing a lot, but will we ever live in a time where there is no homophobia/transphobia whatsoever? I don't know. We still have racists, we still have misogynists, etc. But like everyone else is saying, once the view of accepting the LGBT+ community becomes a majority, those who oppose it will be less and less of a problem.

In my opinion, it seems as though the homophobia will end much faster than the transphobia. This may or may not be true, but that's just what I'm guessing based on some of my own observations

QuoteIn my opinion, it seems as though the homophobia will end much faster than the transphobia. This may or may not be true, but that's just what I'm guessing based on some of my own observations

Activism around homophobia has been going on for well over half a century, if you consider "homophile" groups like the Mattachine Society (founded in 1950) and the Daughters of Bilitis (1953).  So that's been an active movement for quite a while.  Historically, transgender activism has been very closely linked with gay activism until fairly recently; there has been an independent trans rights movement for only a very few years.

It seems to me that the rate of change in public attitudes toward trans folks is much faster right now than it was for gays and lesbians -- we're catching up pretty darn fast, IMHO.

It's decreased a little. Because of the increased visibility of trans people the haters will lash out. Not totally unexpected. I believe many more people have become educated about what transgender people go through and are about. Another thing that has helped is that we are sharing our own stories.

I feel like it's a situation where the phobia is decreasing, but the remaining members of society who still feel that way are getting louder to cover up how small their numbers and influence are.

It's probably decreasing - the problem is that the remaining haters are continually turning the volume and hysteria up.

I think there are more people on the side of acceptance and tolerance than there used to be, the problem is that people who are not accepting are becoming more reactionary as GSM rights advance. There are two problems here aside from the usual discrimination, poverty, violence, and health problems in the trans community. The first is that bigots have a lot of political power in this country, and can use it to not only stall progress, but to actively  inflict pain on trans community. The second is that things are changing, a lot over past few years. In the long run, bigots are losing, and they are losing significant battles and becoming more marginalized. You have angry people who subscribe to extreme religious philosophies who are losing battles that they perceive to be extremely important. This a recipe for violence. We

Homophobia and transphobia are on the decline.  The process is moving fast with respect to homophobia.  Lots of barriers (serving in the military, same-sex marriage) that seemed set in stone twenty years ago have fallen in just the last several years.  Though it may seem slow to individuals in their everyday lives, this is all happening in the blink of an eye in historical terms.

Transphobia is following the same trajectory but is not as far along the same curve yet.  There's a lot of work remaining to be done.

Why is it taking longer for transphobia to decline?  I think it's a matter of visibility.  One thing the gay rights movement emphasized strongly was the need to come out and be visible.  In the 1950s and 60s, it was really tough to step out of the closet and into the open.  People lost jobs, security clearances, family relationships.  Some went to prison.  Some lost their lives.  We owe a lot to the courage of those who were first to step forward.

As more and more gay and lesbian people came out, it began to seem less outlandish to the straight world.  In the eyes of the straight world, the image of gay people slowly began to change from the pulp fiction villainy most people imagined and started to assume the face of people they actually knew: coworkers, friends, family members.

If you've never met anyone gay, it's easy to denounce gay people as sinners and perverts and say they deserve no rights.  But if you actually know a number of gay people, it's pretty hard to believe that your nice lesbian cousin is evil and shouldn't be allowed to marry her girlfriend.  As more and more gay folks came out, the momentum increased and the barriers started to fall.

As I said, transphobia is on the same curve.  It's just not as far along the track.  One story in the news you might look at is the current one about the bathroom bill just passed in South Dakota.  When it hit the Governor's desk for signature, he scratched his head and wondered whether to sign.  He said, "I've never met any transgender people."

Actually, I doubt that.  I imagine even in South Dakota he probably has met trans people, but he just didn't realize it.  But he was expressing the same idea I outlined above with respect to gay people.  If you don't know any trans people, it's easy to imagine them as perverted or evil and conclude they need to be suppressed or outlawed.

To his credit, that Governor took the time to meet with transgender people opposing the bill.  I don't know whether it will be enough to make the difference on that specific legislation, but I think you see what I'm talking about.  It's easy to discriminate against nameless, faceless people you don't know.  It's harder to discriminate against actual people you meet and engage with face to face.

Part of the reason that transphobia is declining more slowly than homophobia is a matter of numbers.  There's a lot of us, but we're still pretty rare.  There are probably 40 or 50 million people in the US that fit under some part of the LGBT umbrella.  But maybe only one or two million trans people.  (It's really hard to get accurate estimates.)

Adding to our lack of visibility is the fact that trans folks sometimes just "disappear."  While trans folks may be very visible during the period of gender transition, many who make the transition successfully just blend in and disappear into the cis world afterwards.  There are plenty of trans folks who have done exactly that.  Cis people may be working in the same office as a trans person for years without having any idea.

Although both homophobia and transphobia are on the decline, they are still alive and still dangerous.  Homophobia and transphobia are being actively cultivated for political advantage by right-wing ideologues seeking the support of bigoted and fearful voters.  And also for religious motives by fundamentalists seeking to reshape the world according to their superstitions and prejudices.

Definitely decreasing from my standpoint, Part of it is liberalization and a less religious society and part of it is just youth.

Quote from: fluttershy1617 on June 29, 2015, 02:12:28 PM
When will that hate end? When will people understand LGBTI community?

Look at racism, sexism, etc.  Same thing.  It will chill out but there's gonna be regions where it's a bit more common.

Its definitely decreasing, unfortunately this means that the haters who know they are on the losing side of history are becoming more vocal in their efforts to smear us, their claims are becoming more absurd as they know that rational arguments are so easily dismantled with proven science.

Quote from: Jayne on February 29, 2016, 01:34:11 PM
Its definitely decreasing, unfortunately this means that the haters who know they are on the losing side of history are becoming more vocal in their efforts to smear us, their claims are becoming more absurd as they know that rational arguments are so easily dismantled with proven science.

Same thing happened with all sorts of racism thought history.  Modern media likes to exaggerate these final efforts and make it look so much worse than it actually is.  All the time they flip out about a white cop shoots a black dude (I'm some areas at least), even if it had nothing to do with them being two different races.  There will probably be similar types of media with homosexuals in the next few years.

I think homophobia is decreasing, at least that is what I see in the conservative south.

The internet has made information & communication available to a wide audience. This has allowed people who have had feelings/thoughts for years to explore/share these thoughts/feelings in a private manner (internet). It's not a coincidence that the spread of home computers in the last 20 years has coincide with breakthroughs in rights for the LGBT movement.

individuals who feel like a pariah draw strength from others who feel the same way. There is strength in numbers, & the internet has helped to make this possible.