Quote from: Marlee on June 25, 2015, 04:55:45 PM


A power called environmentalism (a new kind of evangelism) has stepped way up and have influenced the denial of many opportunities that would provide jobs for common people.

But meaningful jobs?  And jobs at what cost?  The difference between environmentalism and evangelicalism is a little thing called the scientific method.  We can start with a hypothesis and actually test it.    It's funny how often blind faith is required for believers while the path of scientific progress has obvious proofs for climate change and the mass extinction of our planet's species that some cannot yet see.  Must be all the pretty distractions

Quote from: Marlee on June 25, 2015, 04:55:45 PM

Also, bribes were mentioned in another post. But what about brainwashing? A power called environmentalism (a new kind of evangelism) has stepped way up and have influenced the denial of many opportunities that would provide jobs for common people.

Most jobs in the US are being lost due to replacement of people by technology and globalization allowing unskilled jobs to be done in other places.   But it is much easier to blame the loss of jobs on tree-huggers and illegal immigrants that to face reality.  And it also makes it a lot easier to get elected.

for the poor people in Alaska, they are very meaningful jobs. And none of the opponents used any scientific evidence before launching an opposition campaign that killed plans for a mineral mine that would have employed hundreds. The mine, ironically not reported..was to be over 40 miles from the bay which was the major focus of the opposition campaign. The same is going on in the lower 48 with the pipeline debacle. I support alternative energy pursuits. But we can't just "cold turkey" stop using oil.

Quote from: Marlee on June 25, 2015, 04:55:45 PM
Well I don't want to let this devolve into a debate. But who is for smaller government,reducing a deficit which has tripled over the last ten years, less spending and states' rights?

Also, bribes were mentioned in another post. But what about brainwashing? A power called environmentalism (a new kind of evangelism) has stepped way up and have influenced the denial of many opportunities that would provide jobs for common people.

Whats wrong with a big gov?  Big gov didnt waste the money, gop forced us into 2 wars that costed trillions.  I was there!  I love big gov and a big military..  we could afford it before the bush years..  my job was great, times were good, economy great!  Then bush, wirh his 911, that was no reason for war..   I lost friends to the GOPs decision.  I was forced vaccines for an attack that never happened, now ive been bed ridden since 2008, and yet my ~$200k/year is tacked on the va, hence the gov, which now GOP blames obama for the bill now, which I admit I add to yearly.   How does the obama era get blamed for these wars he didnt start..  I blame GOP, but thats just my opinion and BRAINWASHING talking;)  We all have our opinions, we just need to pick out the ones good for the group, not just a few privileged.. 
The GOP was a good thing, many decades ago, but they lost touch and need to fade with dignity before they end up a laughing matter.  I hear circus music everytime I hear someone has jumped onto the GOP ticket.  I figured it out, they dont plan on winning, the GOP is a cash cow.  Take those doners for all they got then retire..  For once, we dont get swindled;)  Maybe then some new blood can come in and we can rename congress to progress!  Thats my 2 cents.  I hate politics, suits are only good to bury people in, I worked for a living with my hands and proud of it!  Wow, my oxy is working :-)

Quote from: Kaydee on June 25, 2015, 07:59:49 PM
Most jobs in the US are being lost due to replacement of people by technology and globalization allowing unskilled jobs to be done in other places.   But it is much easier to blame the loss of jobs on tree-huggers and illegal immigrants that to face reality.  And it also makes it a lot easier to get elected.

You are right, rich people want their money and can get 20 kids in china to produce 2x the output of one worker here.  Sadly it has to be an effort on both sides there.  Democrats want to raise min wage to over 15/hr.  I ran an ewaste recycling company until I found the truth in recycling.  I could barly employ people at min wage, and on camera behind my back they were not worth the insurance I had to pay on them.  People get paid by their skill..  how can we force min wage when so many are out of work?  This is where gov steps in and subsidizes.  Or else people are laid off, gov still paying unemployment, and owner cannot turn a profit?  This model fits alot of cases;(  yea a head of household should not make min wage at 7.50/hr, but his life choices must have sucked.  And who is dumb enought to pay a high school kid $15/hr for the proposed wage?  My retirement plan just crashed putting me into poverty at that rate;(  people dont make higher wages and thats it, there will be a huge inflation and my income will not be enough?  Im off subject to show both sides are not perfect..
And yes the environment is important!  Water the most!  We do need to cut oil and coal cold turkey or for power at least when there are free sources, but hopefully I dont have to explain who is the top 1 percent reason they are still in full effect?  I could see more employees working on alternative energy than employed now on coal and oil gigs, if coal and oil were gone.  But then all that money would go to the masses, and the rich wouldnt have control.  Oil and gas, the 2 perfect products you can see the money flow just one way.  Its like printing money and not backing it.  Eventually with just these two products, a person could literally own everything but a fraction..  they should donate half their profit to pay the damage they cause..    Hopefully someone sees my point here.  Im too tired to finish this.  Its a scarry deal if you understand it and realize its too big to stop them now..   maybe im a nut, I hope so.  I have nothing to gain from it.  I just want my grandkids to live better than me, or you not to go through the experience the GOP did to my health..  I blame them, and I have the right to!  Spend 5 years in bed on chemo and immunosupressants so a group in the GOP can get rich, I bet youd be bitter too.. 

But it brought out my good side too, that I guess was good?  I would have never met this beautiful group;)

I'll just have to add one last point here to think about.
if they cold turkey cut off oil, we'd better hope someone has a quick replacement for silicon, the bags your HRT meds come in, and the plastic syringes many of us use for injections..cuz guess what...they're made from..oil.

ah...and so is the synthetic hair wig I wear

Yep, they can make plastics from corn, raw sewage, or co2 out of the air.    Plastics from oil is cheaper.  Not saying we dont need it.  Planes are the real bummer, so it will still be around. 
Ever hear of thermal depolomerization, I did it with my son as a science experiment.  We took grass and put it in a high pressure bottle, added water for oxygen removal, pressurized it to 500psi, and cooked it for 30 min at 500 deg f.  Can you imagine what the outcome was?

Why has this not been researched more and all landfills turn into chemical plants.  They could pay for themselves? 

What about just turning most landfills into incinerator/power plants.  Then recover the basics out of the ash to recycle.  Everything decays back to its basic elements like carbon for burning anyway.  Last time I was at the grandcanyon, they were having a controlled burn, with more always happening.  The stuff is being burned into the atmosphere already?  Why not get power out of it?  These ideas are avail, just kept pushed down.  Please dont bring up a carburetor that gets 100mpg, because physics and common sense says no, but simple ideas like this are viable.  I just found they use the carburetor hoax to squash and good idea..   

Did you see in the news that one of the oil companies just sent a lobbiest to the Vatican to stop his crusade on global warming?  Now you know christian science is the reason real science crawls, but this pope is on the ball:)  Im not a Christian, but I fear for his life if they sent a scumbag to "put him strait".  Oh and did you see all the GOP candidates responses to the popes issues with global warming..  AND YOU SAY YOU CANT BRIBE GOP!  These idiots are in it for the money.    I wish I was a billionaire, I would prove my point by bribing one of them to "eat a bugger" for a million bucks.  You know they would throw their mom out a window for less sadly..  could you imagine turning trash into oil, then no new carbon introduced into the atmosphere:)  But its that cashflow thing again since money flows both ways in this model..  cant have a middleclass to threaten the rich:(
The ideas I mention, they work, just never happen during our time.  We have to teach our children better values so when the GOP and their minions are gone, science and morality can step in..
We will always have our wigs;)  Good point though Marlee!

Quote from: Jill F on June 25, 2015, 01:55:00 PM
Until Citizens United is overturned with a constitutional amendment, both "D"s and "R"s will be beholden to the same corporations.

Exactly.  Now that it has been decided that money is speech, it means that whoever has the most money has the most speech.

Quote from: VeryGnawty on June 29, 2015, 09:54:57 AM
Exactly.  Now that it has been decided that money is speech, it means that whoever has the most money has the most speech.

I have my problems with the effect of Citizens United, but the frank truth is that the decision was right on the law.  The bottom line is that the U.S. Constitution *does* explicitly prohibit limits on what people can say and the reason is not about whether that dress makes your butt look fat.  The "free speech" part of the 1st Amendment is intentionally about political speech and you truly can't stop somebody from spending what he wants in this respect, whether his name is Soros, Koch...or UAW, or Chamber of Commerce, or whatever.  Say what you will about it being written in a country where only propertied males could vote, but they wrote what they wrote and we are left with what they got wrong as surely as what they got right, what they missed as well as what they saw.   

Don't misunderstand me, I'm just saying the decision was clearly constitutional, not that it will make for a better country.  The only solution I see is an Amendment and I'd be in favor of it.  I'd rather limit what politicians can accept than what private citizens can give, but it's a thorny issue that we do need to solve and I'm open to suggestions on a way forward.     

Money may talk, but I have my doubts that it counts as speech. If it does then bribes should be legal.

sorry, the Republicans can buy every media outlet conceivable  and blanket the world with their ideas of a better world and as long as their philosophy of society remained the same , I'd still vote democratic and end up going underground and joining the resistance when they bring in marshal law and reeducation camps, which is the logical conclusion to their philosophy. (Disclaimer: just my opinion and not meant to create  disharmony)

Quote from: stephaniec on June 29, 2015, 05:06:02 PM
sorry, the Republicans can buy every media outlet conceivable  and blanket the world with their ideas of a better world and as long as their philosophy of society remained the same , I'd still vote democratic and end up going underground and joining the resistance when they bring in marshal law and reeducation camps, which is the logical conclusion to their philosophy. (Disclaimer: just my opinion and not meant to create  disharmony)

Do you mean the democrats bringing in martial law?  Dear if you were ever in the military, this would never happen unless there was a reason.  Only ones I can think of is disease and invasion.  To be honest, id choose the military iver police anyday..  as for the republicans, have you seen the stupidity in the republican andidates over the 2 supreme court decisions last week.  Then trump calling immigrants rapists and drug dealers?  Theres going to be a woman in the whitehouse, its going to be pretty good as long as this euro thing with greece and russia get fixed..  republicans want war, they are just as nutty as putan..  we need to stick them all in a room and drop it in the ocean..  then all will be calm in the world;)  more people die daily from cigarettes or drunk driving than isis, so they are just a bunch of brats who want attention..  lets spend the next couple decades on ourselves, the money the bush era dummped into iraq and Afghanistan could have paved every road in this country w new bridges and dams, plus alternative energy all the way..  look at the bush legacy over there, all destroyed, but his republican buddies got rich!  Dont think im brain washed, show me pics and proof im wrong;)   the republican idea is a god of vengeance, I know you believe in god stephanie, but isnt your god of love?  Doesnt sound like you are a republican;)

I know I'm gonna catch a lot of flack for this but oh well. I think they already have gained a lot of relevance. Look at the last election and how many democratic members of congress lost their jobs.

People are waking up and realising that the left WON'T fix this country. I mean look at California....they are broke, the constitution has basically been shredded, this country's flag is treated with less respect than dirt. I mean I can honestly go on all day long. Sadly it isn't just limited to California....Chicago, New York....every state/county that has been loyal to the left of the isle is seriously messed up.

Now let's look at areas that have been loyal to the right. Florida for example is still free, yes truck nuts are illegal but oh well that's a different topic all together. But on top of the less restrictive laws have a financial surplus, Florida got to the point of eliminating the state income tax and survives on a state sales tax.

It's time to put down the liberal kook-aid and stop voting based on lies of increased rights and "fair tax plans" that have done nothing but put us deeper into the red, and start voting for the party that will fix the budget, will cut spending, kick the abusers off government assistance and finally will stop attempting to rape the constitution.

Yall say yall want change but never get it....maybe it's time to change the way yall vote and start voting Republican.

Quote from: kariann330 on July 03, 2015, 11:18:12 PM
I know I'm gonna catch a lot of flack for this but oh well. I think they already have gained a lot of relevance. Look at the last election and how many democratic members of congress lost their jobs.

People are waking up and realising that the left WON'T fix this country. I mean look at California....they are broke, the constitution has basically been shredded, this country's flag is treated with less respect than dirt. I mean I can honestly go on all day long. Sadly it isn't just limited to California....Chicago, New York....every state/county that has been loyal to the left of the isle is seriously messed up.

Now let's look at areas that have been loyal to the right. Florida for example is still free, yes truck nuts are illegal but oh well that's a different topic all together. But on top of the less restrictive laws have a financial surplus, Florida got to the point of eliminating the state income tax and survives on a state sales tax.

It's time to put down the liberal kook-aid and stop voting based on lies of increased rights and "fair tax plans" that have done nothing but put us deeper into the red, and start voting for the party that will fix the budget, will cut spending, kick the abusers off government assistance and finally will stop attempting to rape the constitution.

Yall say yall want change but never get it....maybe it's time to change the way yall vote and start voting Republican.

This is not the tasteless joke thread..  after all the presidential candidates quotes after the victory for us last week, and you would vote for them:(  or are you a trump fan who thinks all Mexicans are rapists, and backed by other republican candidates?  I'd stay away from that clown car..

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Quote from: Cynobyte on July 04, 2015, 03:04:38 AM
This is not the tasteless joke thread..  after all the presidential candidates quotes after the victory for us last week, and you would vote for them:(  or are you a trump fan who thinks all Mexicans are rapists, and backed by other republican candidates?  I'd stay away from that clown car..

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I'm not joking one bit. What has Ohblamebush done for the country?? NOTHING!! He has DOUBLED the nation's debt, he has ignored our immigration laws on countless occasions, has attempted to impose an AWB that would make the 94 one Look like a joke.....I can't think of one single positive thing he has done.

Rand Paul....fought to have our laws enforced. He fought to end the NSA from spying on American citizens, he has fought for welfare reform that would make it harder to abuse the system. He has fought for gun rights. He has fought for a total overhaul of the budget. His tax plan, completely END the IRS so we can flood the economy with the extra money and let major companies create jobs.

Do I agree with Donald Trump, not fully. Are all immigrants criminals, no...but on the same hand he also had a good point, it's time to start kicking out the immigrants who swim, float, crawl or tunnel into this country and ban them from entering for life because they are a drain on society.

Btw I apologize in advance if that last part came off as racist because it wasn't.

In all honesty I don't care where you or your family are from. If you want to come here permanently take the right steps. Go to the embassy in your country, apply for a visa and also apply for citizenship and come here the right way.

When you factcheck your statements, we can talk.  I feel sorry for you:) but be my guest, id love to see you goto the republican convention and support them.  Me, Ill support and help people with real issues..  Best of luck;)

Quote from: Cynobyte on July 04, 2015, 04:22:53 AM
When you factcheck your statements, we can talk.  I feel sorry for you:) but be my guest, id love to see you goto the republican convention and support them.  Me, Ill support and help people with real issues..  Best of luck;)

Actually I WILL be at the RNC since its only a 45min drive at the most from where I live not counting traffic.

Btw is you want another example....Gov. Strickland D-OH. Drove the state into the red with reckless spending, same as Obama), threw a fit when we got the right to CCW and had a 15 round magazine law thrown out as unconstitutional (same as Obama when gun control got shot down after Sandy Hook), killed job creation in the state, his policies are part of what drove up unemployment in the state....in short he destroyed the state.

John Kasic R...also possible candidate....Has turned our budget around and has given us a surplus. Has strengthened job creation in the state. Has strengthened gun rights in the state, we are now a Will Issue Without CLEO Signature state for NFA weapons. He recently started limiting Common Core in the state, he has strengthened manufacturing and so on and so on.

Face it however you shake a stick at it republicans are better for this country than democrats ever will be.

You are cute;)  Please post a pic of you in a dress next to one of the rnc candidates:-) 

 

If there is any more mud slinging I shall close this thread.

Cindy