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Jessica Merriman

Quote from: Echo Eve on July 17, 2015, 08:15:42 PM
I do agree with some of what they're saying, including being transgendered as a psychological condition (which is axiomatic, surely).
The Psychological community disagrees with this offensive statement.
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Echo Eve

Quote from: Jessica Merriman on July 17, 2015, 10:18:13 PM
The Psychological community disagrees with this offensive statement.


Before having a go at me, you should probably think about where mental phenomena come from.



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Serenation

Lot's of contradictions in the article.

Sadly if someone has the will and money to transition they are able too regardless if it's right for them. The place I transitioned through in Australia  got shut down in 2009, thankfully for me they were able to open again under new management.

I couldn't stand seeing myself naked with the wrong bits, made me cry.
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AbbyKat

Quote from: Echo Eve on July 17, 2015, 10:33:46 PM

Before having a go at me, you should probably think about where mental phenomena come from.

I'm guessing this is leading to you to expanding the term "psychological" to include physical therefore you can say there's nothing wrong with calling it that.

The problem is that it's simply not purely psychological but it's actually physiological, as well.  The problem I have with focusing on the brain is that it's the exception to the normal way we treat medical conditions.

The common scenario is that the brain and body are not the same gender (simplifying it, of course).  There is ample evidence that there are physical markers in the brain that indicate it is beyond a psychological condition.  Since we know how to treat it by altering the body but do not know how to treat it by operating on the brain, that's what we do.  It's what we should do, anyway, since your brain determines your identity therefore it is the authority above your body. 

It's obvious why most cisgender people want to say it's all in our heads.  It's because our transitions make them uncomfortable.  Why else would you suggest to somebody to fix their brain to ignore a physical issue?  If a person is missing a leg, do you operate on his head so he thinks he doesn't need it or do you give him a prosthetic leg?

Obviously, studying the cause is important.  It's important so we may find ways to prevent it in future generations and maybe someday there will be a way to operate on the brain to switch your gender in your head (like a cranial SRS?) but that's not what we have as options right now.

I just realized my rant trailed off and I forgot I was replying to you.  If any of this seems combative, keep that in mind, hah!  Take this as more of a generalize rambling that's not entirely directed towards you.
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Jessica Merriman

Quote from: Echo Eve on July 17, 2015, 10:33:46 PM

Before having a go at me, you should probably think about where mental phenomena come from.
And before you have a go at me know you are dealing with a career Paramedic with internships in both routine and criminal Psychology. I later worked one year in the Criminal Mental Health Unit of the State Prison here and am a Certified Crisis Negotiator. Now we have concluded I am more competent to speak on Psychological Issue's. Now, let's address the Physical. I suppose you discount brain mapping studies (Physical), Genetic disorders such as 47 XXY, Mullerian Duct Syndrome and many other Physical contributors as well. What these two in the story are spouting is fiction at best from to angry militant type guns for hire. They have zero to contribute to our community. :)
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BenKenobi

Quote from: suzifrommd on July 17, 2015, 08:41:44 PM
Well, Trans Regret is a thing. It's rare, but it happens, and when you find you've made irreversible changes that you now hate, well maybe you get a little irrational about other people's choices.

(That's me trying my hardest to be charitable).
I have actually wondered about this because I have heard that it "happens all the time" but i found nothing to support their statements. Mostly i wonder where their statistics cone from (sometimes quoted 20-30%) of transsexuals regret their hrt or surgery
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Jessica Merriman

The last I saw the best info was only 10% regret transition. I will try to find the article to post here. :)
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RaptorChops

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I dunno.
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Jessica Merriman

Quote from: RaptorChops on July 18, 2015, 12:38:48 AM
so the guy says he's "ex-trans" but he still takes hormones?
You caught that too huh? Lol :)

I have known them both around two years and they are nutty as fruit cakes. The bad thing is they do have an audience and sponsors.
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Echo Eve

Quote from: BenKenobi on July 18, 2015, 12:34:30 AM
I have actually wondered about this because I have heard that it "happens all the time" but i found nothing to support their statements. Mostly i wonder where their statistics cone from (sometimes quoted 20-30%) of transsexuals regret their hrt or surgery


I wouldn't put much stock in any self-reporting related to gender.

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Echo Eve

Quote from: Jessica Merriman on July 18, 2015, 12:28:09 AM
And before you have a go at me know you are dealing with a career Paramedic with internships in both routine and criminal Psychology. I later worked one year in the Criminal Mental Health Unit of the State Prison here and am a Certified Crisis Negotiator. Now we have concluded I am more competent to speak on Psychological Issue's. Now, let's address the Physical. I suppose you discount brain mapping studies (Physical), Genetic disorders such as 47 XXY, Mullerian Duct Syndrome and many other Physical contributors as well. What these two in the story are spouting is fiction at best from to angry militant type guns for hire. They have zero to contribute to our community. :)


Is it common for someone working in mental health to refer to others as being "nutty as fruit cakes"?

Why would I discount brain mapping studies -- discount in respect to what?


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Cindy

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Dena

I was away from the board for 8 days taking care of personal business and one of these pops up. At 33 years post surgical I am among the other old timers on this board who have had many years in our new role. When I was in treatment it was stressed that we be very careful with our decision because if we weren't transexual before the surgery, we would be after the surgery. Much of my cross living time I almost daily faced the question am I making a mistake. After two years of questioning I knew that I would never want to return to my male role because I had tasted a good deal of life as a woman and knew that was where my future should be. In the years post surgical, I have never even in the worst times of my life regretted the decision I made. Conversion therapy would have never worked with me because I never fit in the male role. Yes, I still have a good deal of the old me living with the new me but they live in harmony as they should.

This isn't the first time I have encountered one of these save the world from my mistake types. My first encounters was as much as a year before finding this board. The person in question has a pretty big name for returning to the old role and I did an email exchange questioning the persons motives. I discovered that therapy or what passed for therapy hadn't done a very good job of questioning this persons motives. Basic things I learned in therapy almost 37 years ago were new to this person thus leading to an incorrect personal evaluation of the persons reason for surgery. I also saw a little of the it was wrong for me so it must be wrong for you attitude even though this person was in contact with me, a person with far more years under her belt.

I know mistakes are possible so when working with others I have never pushed anyone into surgery. This is a decision each of us must make on our own after receiving an extensive education in all the alternative life styles. In the end, only we can make the decision for ourself and we are responsible for the mistakes in our life. Nobody can take that responsibility for us. To do so may force us into a short unhappy life which they must also take responsibility for.

Here you have a person who didn't even know their own mind making decisions about others who they never meet or understood. The scary part is they got the news coverage to broadcast these falsehoods in the first place. The can do a great deal of damage to something that has been a proven treatment for many years. Forgotten is the hundreds of thousands of us who have transitioned starting in the 60's who have never regretted the decision we made all because one person made a mistake.
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Echo Eve

Quote from: Abysha on July 17, 2015, 11:06:47 PM
I'm guessing this is leading to you to expanding the term "psychological" to include physical therefore you can say there's nothing wrong with calling it that.

The problem is that it's simply not purely psychological but it's actually physiological, as well.  The problem I have with focusing on the brain is that it's the exception to the normal way we treat medical conditions.

The common scenario is that the brain and body are not the same gender (simplifying it, of course).  There is ample evidence that there are physical markers in the brain that indicate it is beyond a psychological condition.  Since we know how to treat it by altering the body but do not know how to treat it by operating on the brain, that's what we do.  It's what we should do, anyway, since your brain determines your identity therefore it is the authority above your body. 

It's obvious why most cisgender people want to say it's all in our heads.  It's because our transitions make them uncomfortable.  Why else would you suggest to somebody to fix their brain to ignore a physical issue?  If a person is missing a leg, do you operate on his head so he thinks he doesn't need it or do you give him a prosthetic leg?

Obviously, studying the cause is important.  It's important so we may find ways to prevent it in future generations and maybe someday there will be a way to operate on the brain to switch your gender in your head (like a cranial SRS?) but that's not what we have as options right now.

I just realized my rant trailed off and I forgot I was replying to you.  If any of this seems combative, keep that in mind, hah!  Take this as more of a generalize rambling that's not entirely directed towards you.


Yes, I'm including "'psychological' to include physical". And so are you, it seems.

I'd love to, but I can't really answer the rest of your comments, because, like your above statement, your post contains many contradictory statements. Just ask if you'd like me to point them out for you.


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Cindy

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Jessica Merriman

Quote from: Echo Eve on July 18, 2015, 02:08:42 AM

Is it common for someone working in mental health to refer to others as being "nutty as fruit cakes"?
Actually yes! *giggles* :)
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runaway

I considered the possibility that my gender dysphoria was purely social, so I moved to two different countries twice, but I am still transgender.

Much like Carrie Liz, my dysphoria was as much physical, as it was social. I briefly considered physical transition without social transition, because the latter was so much more terrifying.

I completely agree with Abysha, in that I did consider everything the Cummings have said, and ruled them out for a myriad reasons. If their message was that being genderqueer or fluid is a worthwhile alternative to full transition, they wouldn't be drawing as much flack.

I understand why they're saying what they're saying, but they're ignoring an overwhelming body of scientific evidence that shows gender dysphoria is far more complicated and nuanced that their own experiences.

I belief they're seeking to validate their choices by invalidating the experiences of others who have transitioned successfully.

Lastly, the problem with calling gender dysphoria a "psychological" issue, is that the public's understanding of that term is loaded with negative associations, that have nothing to do with its clinical definition. When Joe Public hears "psychological condition", all he really hears is "psycho", which doesn't help a community that has already suffered immense discrimination and social violence.

An important ethical consideration in the field of psychology, is how controversial findings are presented or worded due to possible social repercussions. This is because psychologists are well aware of their field's less-than-stellar history of ethics, and this is a conscious effort to remember those mistakes so that they aren't repeated.

This is why "gender identity disorder" is now known as "gender dysphoria".

I majored in psychology, which I realize isn't a M(A) or PhD, but I do speak with some academic experience.
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Wynternight

I will remind everyone about the terms of service and to remain civil. No personal attacks, no swearing. I understand this is an emotionally charged issue but that's no justification for ignoring the TOS. Next report on this thread, next TOS violation it will be locked so please just keep it civil.
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RaptorChops

Well, that escalated quickly..

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Colleen M

Quote from: Jessica Merriman on July 18, 2015, 04:45:29 AM
Actually yes! *giggles* :)

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