This coming-out model, by Devor (1997), consists of 14 identity development stages for female-to-male transsexuals:

    * Abiding anxiety — unfocused gender and sex discomfort.
    * Identity confusion — first doubts about suitability of assigned gender and sex.
    * Identity comparison — seeking and weighing alternative female identities.
    * Discovery — learning that female-to-male transsexualism exists.
    * Identity confusion — first doubts about the authenticity of own transsexualism.
    * Identity comparison — testing transsexual identity using transsexual reference group.
    * Identity tolerance — identity as probably transsexual.
    * Delay — waiting for changed circumstances; looking for confirmation of transsexual identity.
    * Identity acceptance — transsexual identity established.
    * Delay — transsexual identity deepens; no longer identify as women and females.
    * Transition — Changing genders, between sexes.
    * Identity acceptance — identities established as transsexual men.
    * Integration — transsexuality most visible.
    * Identity pride — publicly transsexual.


-Emerald 

Thanks for sharing, Emerald.
Sounds complicated though.

What about those who want to go stealth and never identify as a transsexual man, but just a man?

I agree with milo. I wouldn't want to be labeled as "transsexual" when I reach my destiny as a boy...

Quote from: Emerald on November 27, 2007, 09:37:34 PM

    * Identity acceptance — identities established as transsexual men.
    * Integration — transsexuality most visible.
    * Identity pride — publicly transsexual.
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-Emerald 

what? why does he have to identify as a transexual man and not just a man? why does he have to be public or take pride?
sorry but this is not an attitude i or others agree with...
R

*nod* Frankly, I'd probably be out of work for a very long time if I were openly transsexual.
Plus, as a transman, I want to be accepted among bio men as a "real man" and identifying myself publically as a transman makes that harder. It puts me into the group of transmen, rather than men. I just want to be a man. If I stop making the distinction myself, eventually, so will they.

same with me... i dont id as m2f... or transwoman... im just a girl... if you transition to be a trans man or woman... your doing it for the wrong reasons mang...
R

Quote from: OtokoSuki on November 28, 2007, 06:18:53 PM
I agree with milo. I wouldn't want to be labeled as "transsexual" when I reach my destiny as a boy...

yep. I dont call myself trans anymore.  I'm a dude & thats all theres to it.

Quote from: Chris on November 29, 2007, 12:31:25 AM

Quote from: OtokoSuki on November 28, 2007, 06:18:53 PM
I agree with milo. I wouldn't want to be labeled as "transsexual" when I reach my destiny as a boy...

yep. I dont call myself trans anymore.  I'm a dude & thats all theres to it.

Same. Not ashamed of it and will answer questions if asked, but I'm just a guy. A regular guy. That's what I did this for.

Dennis

Quote from: Dennis on November 29, 2007, 02:33:54 AM

Quote from: Chris on November 29, 2007, 12:31:25 AM

Quote from: OtokoSuki on November 28, 2007, 06:18:53 PM
I agree with milo. I wouldn't want to be labeled as "transsexual" when I reach my destiny as a boy...

yep. I dont call myself trans anymore.  I'm a dude & thats all theres to it.

Same. Not ashamed of it and will answer questions if asked, but I'm just a guy. A regular guy. That's what I did this for.

Dennis

Indeed.  Like I have said a zillion times, some of us transition to live normal lives as men and/or women; others to live their lives as transsexual (even after SRS  )

tink

Quote from: Chris on November 29, 2007, 12:31:25 AM

Quote from: OtokoSuki on November 28, 2007, 06:18:53 PM
I agree with milo. I wouldn't want to be labeled as "transsexual" when I reach my destiny as a boy...

yep. I dont call myself trans anymore.  I'm a dude & thats all theres to it.

drool 

I'm in agreement with no wanting  to id as a transman or FTM. In fact, other than Susan's i don't function in the queer or trans community. I do my piece in these communities by agreeing to do  speaking engagements. I'm usually asked to share my experiences regarding  living as a heterosexual man and wanting to function in the mainstream community. As most guys, who are transitioning or have transitioned there are unique experiences in learning how to live in mainstream society, which are some what different than those guys living in the GLBT community. 

I live as a man  24/7 and have completed my R.L.E. and waiting to secure a date for lower surgery. All my personal identification-including my birth certificate now indicates  I'm male.  Something about changing that gender marker  legally adds to my identity as a man - not a transman. Does the personal identification change my transsexuality, no, it doesn't. That said, i will only have that conversation with those individuals that i choose to share  that status with, due to the intimacy of our relationship etc.

Cheers,
Guy

Quote from: Tink on November 30, 2007, 08:48:46 PM
Indeed.  Like I have said a zillion times, some of us transition to live normal lives as men and/or women; others to live their lives as transsexual (even after SRS  )

tink

Like many of the others here I also consider myself a female.  I just happen to have a transsexual condition.  It's a medical condition and that's all.  Having grown up as the wrong gender does not invalidate my identity as a woman.  I would think it is the same for any transsexual regardless of their transition direction.

To those that need to know I will discuss my medical condition with them.  The idea is to give aid and support to others that may also have this medical condition.  Much like breast cancer survivors will band together to give comfort to those who have been recently diagnosed.

-Sandy (and proud!)

i don't proclaim my transsexuality to the world but i've met a few ppl that do.  no one needs to know a birth defect that's already been corrected, yes?  shall i also tell them i had mumps or that i was born with a cleft palate?   i think not.

zactly...
R

I'm so glad to see so many feel that, I was always saw the ones that were much more expressive of there transsexual history/state it kind of made me hid away from the community. I mean I was not and have never felt like I was a transsexual. I felt that I was not a boy and I liked girl things (soft skin, long hair, etc), so I guess that makes me a girl not a boy that want to be a girl (oh my ex like to say it that way, grr)

Quote from: Katia on December 03, 2007, 04:02:19 PM
i don't proclaim my transsexuality to the world but i've met a few ppl that do.  no one needs to know a birth defect that's already been corrected, yes?  shall i also tell them i had mumps or that i was born with a cleft palate?   i think not.

Perfect.  Which revolves around one my favorite quotes of all times:

Quote from: DawnL on October 29, 2006, 09:41:45 PM
I'm a woman with a transsexual history, not a transsexual, and my history is my business alone.

Dawn

No one has to know anything unless that person is going to share my bed, but even then, telling or not telling is an entirely personal decision.

tink


POSDATA:  A Propósito Té  , sigue babeando no más, corazón.  Soñar no cuesta nada!  > > >

naughty tink

same, when postop, nobody knows, why bother?
ive just got a new job, and its weird just being a girl, not that ts girl... (weird but awesome)

R

lmao   oh man.  ur bad princes

Quote from: Chris on December 04, 2007, 02:19:19 AM
lmao   oh man.  ur bad princes

tink