In my opinion, psychiatrists are a curse upon the world, a set of people who do anything and everything they can to ensure that people sit around, conform to a "I'll be happy working at McDonald's the rest of my life" stereotype because they enjoy being the person in power, the person who makes more money than their patients, is happier than their patients, and doesn't feel the remorse or guilt about sending someone into daily, depressive, suicidal thoughts.

I was born with P.E.P Syndrome. It's a diagnosis that is progressive, causing mild dwarfism, extreme facial features, and in both boys and girls, extreme androgenic traits that cause a person to be on the most extreme ends of hypermasculinity or hyperfemininity, or to have strange, combinations of both. Often times, girls with this syndrome may have beards or be extremely overweight, or the boys might have beyond extremely coarse facial features, acne, and body hair.

And because the disorder doesn't kick in until puberty, I have a tremendous background of things I did before the disorder that I know make me a full fledged cross dresser/androgyne. As a young boy up into my teen years, I'd do anything to dress up as a girl for short periods, or mix male and female clothing. As a child, your self imagine does not effect you; a young boy will put on a dress if he wants to, and it makes him feel girly because of the association with the dress, not the fact that if he can "accomplish total femininity" or not.

So I know my identity and who I am based on all of my personality traits I've had all my life, the things that make me smile and feel happy. And what makes me happy is androgyne. One of the many things I am is a fashion designer and I want to be able to wear my own fashions and feel as though I'm as androgyne looking as the millions of younger men out there who naturally look feminized and androgynous. studies show that the average of human traits is a face that is hardly either male or female, but right in the middle, with only the most subtle differences. the hypermasculine face or hyperfeminized face is much less common though those faces stick out in our minds the most.

I personally have an extreme brow bone rigde that causes me to look like a freak of nature, even in the times I act completely like a "straight guy". When all the bar frats at the bar sit around and constanty make fun of you for your Neanderthal forhead, something is WRONG. Yet I've had psychiatrists tell me I'm not a candidate for reduction surgery because they think my hatred toward this feature is based on a hatred toward P.E.P Syndrome, and they also never believe me when I say that even strangers on the street point and make comments about my forehead. I have one of the world record's largest brow ridge bone, by no exaggeration.

Even when measurements prove my feature is one of the world's largest, doctors will not help me. It's always "i'm in denial" about something. As as smart as I am, I literally break these psychiatrists down in their beliefs until they start actually lying and quoting medical facts that have been proven distrue for DECADES. I literally had a psychiatrist once tell me that "all boys" have a brown bone my size when measurements prove mine is a world record. How would a psychiatrist even know what "all boys" have? They don't train in endocrinology, facial aesthetics, or the current fashion world.

I've never seen one man be able to pull off the fashion I design with an extremely masculine face. Even in straight men culture, only the cute men tend to be stylish; the rest feel uncomfortable in stylish clothes and build a confidence playing football or getting into bar fights, and at 5'4, I certainly can't do that nor want to. I actually had a psychiatrist tell me that football is the answer to my problems!!!

See, we all threaten psychiatrists views on the world. We threaten their religions, their sex life, their ideals, their gender identity, such on and so forth, and if they can bully any of us into staying miserable, out of place in our bodies (especially if we have actual medical deformities), and diminished so that none of us feel confident enough to do anything in life but serve the hamburgers that the psychiatrists eat every day. It might sound a little cooky, but I've been to some of the world's worst and let me tell you, they've made up just as cooky reasons why I'm not truly Androgyne. Most of them being "you weren't born looking like an androgyne in the face, so you must be in denial about a lot of things."

Well said. My first two doctors where Psychiatrists and I don't really have an issue the first one because he admitted he didn't know anything about the transsexualism. My second one worked with UCLA but was pretty useless other than getting me on HRT. Where I found the most benefit was my third doctor who was a Psychologist. He told us in group that his treatment was "you have a problem, tough, learn to live with it".  When I stopped trying to figure myself out and stopped trying to fix myself, I was able to move forward and become myself.

I look back on your other post to learn more about you and sadly I suspect this is a subject you already know far more about than me. I suspect you also know about FFS and it's limitations. I wish you the best of luck and if there is anything I can help you with, let me know.

Psych's are just people, and I don't doubt there's plenty of really bad ones around. I don't think there's an professional requirement for being an ->-bleeped-<- though. Like everything there's always a few good people around, its just a matter of finding them. I got a great one and I can't imagine having any sort of problem with him being like you describe.

I'm saying this as someone who doesn't trust doctors in the slightest, and regard them as working for me rather than the other way around.

If you've not done it already I'd suggest posting your general location and are asking if anyone can recommend a good psych. Its also unclear why you want to see one?

Well, thing is, we all known Dr. Spiegel, and all of his forhead cases are alike to mine. I believe he could make me look normal in a hot second. I just don't have the funds for it and though insurence will never cover it, I have a wealthy family member who said that if a psych agrees with me that the surgery will help, that they'll fund it. So far, every psyche has about cursed me out of the room for wanting a surgical change.

A side note is when I told a doctor that over 200 people this year alone have pointed out my forehead, said I'm too ugly to have sex with, or said I looked like a caveman, the doc said that it must be my personality and that I'm projecting psychic thoughts into these people causing them to read my mind that I'm thinking about my own forehead. Lmao absolutely how insane and stupid can one human be. And this was a top transgender specialist!

I'm just tired of doctors telling me I don't have a deformity when I have a severe deformity that completely gets in the way of my personality and identity, and have a syndrome to back it up. What gives?!

Some shrinks are like this. I had a couple of really bad ones early in my transition that nearly pushed me over the bad edge. Most good shrinks I've been too only ask me questions until I make a decision and commit to it. Those are the people you should be looking for. And as for any type of facial surgery, does anyone need psychiatric approval anymore?

Find another doctor to help you with your day to day / mental issues. They do exist.

Chin up
Cindi

Is there any shrinks cross-country that specialize in Androgyne and Two-Spirit, that type of thing?

I suffer from both a gender point of view and a cultural one. On top of being Androgyne, I also am not supposed to be carrying the gene for facial hair, baldness, and dense body hair (Native Americans don't carry those genes) but my medical conditions have caused the Caucasian genes to flare an an extreme rate. Even my brow bone is extreme to the point of looking like the most barbarian cases of Caucasian or African American men. (Not trying to sound racist, it's just that some races are indeed closer to the Neanderthal man in terms of genetics than others, not my fault and some of the gentic features found in those races can sometimes be extreme the point I don't naturally find it attractive or would want those features on myself.)

So being part Native American but with extreme androgenic features that relate more to a 45-year-old Caucasian man instead of a 18-25 year old Native American Androgyne, it makes me suicidal, it doesn't look natural, it doesn't fit my race, culture, or identity, and I've realized that a lot of doctors I've seen are actually white supremacists who push the innacurate opinion that balding, extreme body hair, adult acne, extreme craniofacial defects, body odor, ect ect is a normal part of humanity when it occurs only about %25 of white males 45 or older (much less in other races at the same age, in African Americans it's about %20 of men 45 or older, and about %10 in Asians), and all that occurs about %0 of any young man my age 18-25 of any particular race whatsoever.

At BEST, about %5 of Caucasians develop these deformities and medical conditions by age 25. NONE do at age 13 like I did. So despite any beliefs I have about my identity, I deserve medical treatment anyway because I have an extremely, extremely rare genetic condition. But I actually get turned away (or ripped off) by virtually any plastic surgeon or hormonal treatment specialist! It's horrible! And it's nuts!

(And I can quote genetic testing studies conducted by world-renowned institutions for every fact I just said: for example, with Asians, the gene for strong body odor occurs only in about %1 of their race... same as non-oriental eyelids. Many races simply do not have the defects and nasty health conditions that us Gender folk are smart enough not to want. If we were all born Asian, most of us would have such feminen facial characteristics that noone would need facial surgery. Studies show the Asian male and female face is typically identical - Asians don't typically have the genes for extremely large brow ridges, extremely thick masculine skin, large humped noses, ect ect, and many Asian men don't naturally carry the gene for facial hair either... they're the closest genetic race to Native Americans.)

I'm just tired of the white supremecy of it all and just cuz a bunch of white people have a bunch of hair diseases and skin diseases and craniofacial defects and such and forth doesn't mean I have to. I look enough of a freak in this country; if I went to Asia, my features would probably make them think I have Leperacy (as many of my traits are actually common in Leprecy, like an extremely oily face, extremely large pores, and thickened facial skin.) This mess I'm suffering from is simply not medically normal when you take the world's statistics at large and get over trying to compare me to 45 year old Caucasian men. These docs need to get over it! Every single white doctor I've been to has said, "Oh my 50-year-old husband looks just like you, so why do you think you look bad!?" 😒)

I'd just like to say there are good doctors out there and sometimes you have to try to find them. The second psychiatrist I had in my life saved me from dying. the first and second psychologist I had in my life saved me from homelessness and starvation. Please do not paint a broad stroke . There are terrible doctors , I had one of those too, but that was one out of four which is not right, but that's being human. I'm sorry your having these problems , but there are devoted, caring, knowledgeable doctors out there. Maybe try writing to the major medical research hospitals and asked for help in finding someone. I see a team of doctors at present associated with the University of Chicago who are brilliant.