Hi

I had this posted under discrimination, but decided someone here may be able to answer more quickly.

I got "mam'd" again 2 times today. Was thinking about doing this after I got a job, but not sure I'm going to remain invisible much longer. A little long hair and a pair of earings and people call me mam whether I am dressed in man clothes or not.

I have been living as female in the home and male to the world.

I am getting "3/4 m'am's" a lot, meaning people will call me mam, then sir in the same conversation.

Lot's of confused looks, some hostility.

I have never taken a hormone in my life, and yes I am working with an endo to determine if I am intersexed (duh, although he hasn't declared it "official" yet, that is to say , he hasn't named a condition)

I am seriously considering going female in appearance full time and am wondering how the labor laws work in Ca for nurses that have changed the gender of their birth.

I don't consider myself trans, just someone who will stop hiding the obvious physical differences between myself and other xy's

PLEASE, if anyone is a TS nurse in CA. I want to speak to you. Specifically if you are full time in the female role. My nursing school doesn't care about my appearance, but I think I may have trouble finding employment.

I might live in a way that some think is crazy ( who let's THEM decide?), but I am very calculated and careful, and want to know what my chances of finding good employment are if I do this.


I am currently deciding on 1.) cutting androgens now while I am in school then going into a job as female from the start, or 2.) whether I would be better off getting a job and then establishing a good work rapport and taking a leave of absence after that to have my face feminized.

Need a little sage advice fro one who's been there.

thank you in advance

M

Posted on: December 04, 2007, 10:01:47 PM

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I haven't gotten any answers fro people yet, but did find this on the net today

"California Government Code Section 12940 makes it unlawful to discriminate on the basis of sex and/or sexual orientation in employment. This makes it unlawful for an employer to make a decision based upon sex or sexual orientation in the hiring, promotion, transfer, compensation and/or termination of an individual based upon sex and/or sexual orientation. California is one the few states that recognizes these rights for the members of the LGBT community. In 2004, protection was extended in the Fair Employment and Housing Act to members of the transgender community."

Guess I'm gonna roll the dice and get "done" before I get a job so as to not have medical appointments interfere with work
M

Posted on: December 05, 2007, 09:30:23 PM

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also found this, for anyone coming after me that has this question

http://www.transgenderlawcenter.org/pdf/ca_trans_law_101_overview.pdf

California is one of the few states that protect the transgendered.  It doesn't matter if you are a student, a professional, homeless, pre-op, non-op,
post-op or whatever.  If you are TG, you are protected.  From the same source you have provided, we also have:

http://www.transgenderlaw.org/ndlaws/index.htm

http://www.transgenderlawcenter.org/pdf/Safe%20Schools%20--%20English%20fact%20sheet.pdf

http://www.transgenderlaw.org/resources/modeldirective.pdf

http://www.eqca.org/site/apps/nl/content2.asp?c=9oINKWMCF&b=40337&ct=4720095

tink

Posted on: December 06, 2007, 08:27:45 PM

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I can't really discuss specific details due to privacy concerns, but if you wish, you can PM me and we'll see what can be done.... 

tink

I notice lots of TS nurses at Kaiser-Permanante.

Thank you so much,

The problem for me is I'm getting m'am'd anyway. My estrogen level is normal for a woman and my testosterone level is normal for a man, but I seem to have some insensitivity to androgens because of my longer than normal arms, lack of facial hair, boobs and high voice. I can't see how going on more testoterone will help me. And, if I have the boobs removed, they will just grow back unless I am on drugs for the next 40 years. A plastic surgeon described it this way. "I can fix the flat tire, but I can't guarantee that it won't go flat again. Unless you get control of the hormonal issue, they WILL grow back."

To me it's a no brainer, my body went fem, and I should make the face match it.

Tink.. Thank you for the info. When I first looked this, I must have found a really old article that said the equal opportunity laws in Ca only protected gender as to normal male female, but not transgender.

Since then I have found that since 2004, I actually am protected.

I do not consider myself transgendered, but someone who needs to correct my body to a less androgenous state. Thus, even though raised male, with feminine complications, I will experience all of the same discrimination and experiences as people born male who transition. There is so much valuable information here and it is nice to get advice from some of you more experienced girls.

Thank you for the pick me up

Chelle

It sounds like cali if very friendly to our community like you I used to get ma'am ed all the time I was in nursing school but the hospital I worked in new me as male, before I took my boards I went fulltime, I had my transcripts changed and took the boards with my new ID. I talked to our HR department it was a no brainier for them, the girl that does the ID's was put out because she had to redo my ID but shes just fat and lazy. When I got my passing letter I started on a completely different tower and floor, nobody knew me except for Cindy and thats in Tennessee. 

Thank you Cindy,

I'm beginning to see that this is "do-able". Sure beats getting called M'am, then sir in the same conversation

Chelle

OH Ya a defiantly do-able thing, if I can do it the deep redneck south it can be done anywhere

Now lets see that pretty face of yours