Hi girls. I have yet to begin my transition. However there are many questions I have. One of them being the question about breasts.

Now I have read that "your breasts grow one size lower than family traits" Uhm My family is no higher than a B... And quite frankly I don't want to get an A cup. I mean I want at least a B to a C (no bigger and C is pushing it)

There are many reasons for this actually.

1. I don't want to look like a piece of plywood with knots sticking out of it.
2. I do have a surrogate mother planned for when the time comes (a best friend of mine offered), and I was going to breast feed my future child.
3. Biological women define themselves as feeling like "less of a woman"

Now because I am trying to do things naturally... I will be getting on the HRT regimen, and all that. The ONLY "unnatural" thing I will be doing is vaginoplasty.

So as you can see, I wont go for surgical breast augmentation. Plus I've seem my mother go through a bad experience.

I was wondering is there a way to speed up the process AND to enhance the size of them. I mean in conjunction with the HRT

I see "breast enlargement creams, and stuff like that. Is this garbage? Or is it legitimate?

You might try avocado oil for fat... a doc recommended it saying its a preferable mixture of oils and other ingredients...

soft factors could also make for testo levels... like taking part in aggressive pastimes... etc...
a bit more laid back attitude might help, not getting upset so fast...

what might help with breast growth is massage, with a good oil (I personally would use organic plant oil...some use coconut oil for example), twice a day for a few minutes... it can help with blood flow and thus indirectly with receptor stimulation... I saw a vid of a trans women where it very obviously helped, she said so...

another thing might be noogleberry or similar products... just don't overdo it with suction... keep it all gentle...

nutrition...
there are phytoestrogens in sesame, soy and linseed products. If you have already sufficient estro levels, they might compete with estro receptors, making for a weaker effect than estro. Normal quantities should be ok, but I'd avoid larger quantities.

A weak masculinizing effect is said to come from carbonated drinks, and carbs. So eating vegetables, in a healthy variety, might help.


hugs

Actually from my experience (I'm 31 years postop - and have never had any breast enhancement and I'm a genuine F cup!) So its just as likely you'll get a size larger than family traits.

The creams and supplements are indeed expensive rubbish as you clearly already suspect.

Like all these MYTHS there is a lot of frankly crazy misinformation in this community, based on the fact that people forget that puberty takes about five to ten years - and your breasts WILL go on developing throughout that time. Yes faster at first, but even so measuring even ar two or three years will not tell you the whole story.

Unfortunately you cant hurry things and if you try to speed it up the end result is smaller not larger. I took a moderate dose HRT and because I was young I was patient - and my results speak for themselves.

I know its frustrating - but patience really is the only sensible answer here. After threr years you'll have an idea of where you are going to get to. If by then you are a C or D then you are heading for E/F - if you are only an A or a B then not so much - but that is the point at which you can make a sensible assessment as to whether to have a BA.

I've seen people do it too early only to regret it later.

If you're going on HRT, skip the supplements as they may conflict with each other.

Quote from: Rejennyrated on August 08, 2015, 10:46:33 AM
Actually from my experience (I'm 31 years postop - and have never had any breast enhancement and I'm a genuine F cup!) So its just as likely you'll get a size larger than family traits.

The creams and supplements are indeed expensive rubbish as you clearly already suspect.

Like all these MYTHS there is a lot of frankly crazy misinformation in this community, based on the fact that people forget that puberty takes about five to ten years - and your breasts WILL go on developing throughout that time. Yes faster at first, but even so measuring even ar two or three years will not tell you the whole story.

Unfortunately you cant hurry things and if you try to speed it up the end result is smaller not larger. I took a moderate dose HRT and because I was young I was patient - and my results speak for themselves.

I know its frustrating - but patience really is the only sensible answer here. After threr years you'll have an idea of where you are going to get to. If by then you are a C or D then you are heading for E/F - if you are only an A or a B then not so much - but that is the point at which you can make a sensible assessment as to whether to have a BA.

I've seen people do it too early only to regret it later.

I've gotten good results from supplements, and the cost is quite reasonable. Your advice isn't entirely accurate, different people will have different results. I'm sorry supplements didn't work for you, though.

Hugs, Devlyn

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on August 08, 2015, 10:56:36 AM
If you're going on HRT, skip the supplements as they may conflict with each other.

I've gotten good results from supplements, and the cost is quite reasonable. Your advice isn't entirely accurate, different people will have different results. I'm sorry supplements didn't work for you, though.

Hugs, Devlyn

Well to be fair they didnt really exist for me to try back then, and of course I was hell bent on total medical metamorphosis. Bear in mind I started the medical journey in the 1970's when a lot of this stuff wasn't around. So if they worked for you that's great to hear.

It would be intersting to see a clinical RCT or Cochrane review of the evidence though, as I'm genuinely not aware of any.

I think my view may be a bit jaundiced by some stories I've heard from people who clearly were ripped off to the tune of thousands of pounds, when some cheap estrogen pills would have cost at most a few hundred for several years supply. Very happy to hear that you had a better experience though.

Quote1. I don't want to look like a piece of plywood with knots sticking out of it.

I resemble that. I mean it. Before surgery I was never more that an AA cup and post surgical 33 years I don't really fill out a B cup but a B cup has more room than an A cup. I am tall at 6'2" so a B cup looks like a couple of bumps on the prairie.You are limited by the family genetics and I got a slim build with the matching chest.

Quote2. I do have a surrogate mother planned for when the time comes (a best friend of mine offered), and I was going to breast feed my future child.

You do understand anything in your system will be passed on to the child through the milk. If you are pre surgical, the blockers or if you don't use them, the male hormones will be passed to the child. Post surgical you should talk with your Endo to lower your hormones to normal female levels and put growth on the back burner while you are feeding the child.

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3. Biological women define themselves as feeling like "less of a woman"

You might be surprised how fast that idea goes out the window when a woman is told she has breast cancer and it's the breast or her life. Younger women might feel that way but as woman get older they define there woman hood by family and society. They come to learn what we already know and that is femininity is defined by what you are inside.

Here is some more info on trans women and breastfeeding:
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,183837.msg1645823.html#msg1645823


hugs

Cis girls take as long as 10 years to finish puberty and breast development, and there's no reason to think home-grown breasts on trans women would be different.  Plus there's a reason doctors won't usually do augmentation for a 14-year-old cis girl - continuing growth can make the implants look really weird. So definitely give it time once you start HRT, because you don't know what you'll get.

The "one cup size smaller" is a myth, too. (It might have gotten started because if you go up a band size you go down a cup size - a 36C is the same cup volume as a 38B - and trans women tend to have slightly larger rib cages than cis women.) Again, just like cis girls, genetics can give us a hint but there's no guarantees either way.

Personally, my mother is 34B, my sister 36D, and I'm 38DD (which is the same cup size as a 36DDD or 34G for direct comparison with them).

Quote from: Rejennyrated on August 08, 2015, 11:22:48 AM

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on August 08, 2015, 10:56:36 AM
If you're going on HRT, skip the supplements as they may conflict with each other.

I've gotten good results from supplements, and the cost is quite reasonable. Your advice isn't entirely accurate, different people will have different results. I'm sorry supplements didn't work for you, though.

Hugs, Devlyn

Well to be fair they didnt really exist for me to try back then, and of course I was hell bent on total medical metamorphosis. Bear in mind I started the medical journey in the 1970's when a lot of this stuff wasn't around. So if they worked for you that's great to hear.

It would be intersting to see a clinical RCT or Cochrane review of the evidence though, as I'm genuinely not aware of any.

I think my view may be a bit jaundiced by some stories I've heard from people who clearly were ripped off to the tune of thousands of pounds, when some cheap estrogen pills would have cost at most a few hundred for several years supply. Very happy to hear that you had a better experience though.

I did my homework before I put anything into my body. The supplement I use is regulated by the government of its country of origin (Thailand). I spend $10 a month, comparable to pharmaceutical estrogen, I believe? Thanks for the well wishes!

Hugs, Devlyn

Quote from: Jenna Marie on August 08, 2015, 07:51:53 PM
The "one cup size smaller" is a myth, too.

Personally, my mother is 34B, my sister 36D, and I'm 38DD (which is the same cup size as a 36DDD or 34G for direct comparison with them).

This myth also did not seem to apply to me...My mother is a 34D and I am a 36D. I have not had any implants, maybe when I am older and things begin to sag I might get some implants to firm things up and then go up to a DD.

I started HRT at 21, I have read that younger transitioners do get better results.

Your breast growth is determined by genetics as well. I come from a family of large breasted women, DD and DDD. I was very happy with the growth I got. I love my D's.

When you have bigger breasts, you will appreciate and need a good bra.

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on August 08, 2015, 10:56:36 AM
If you're going on HRT, skip the supplements as they may conflict with each other.

I've gotten good results from supplements, and the cost is quite reasonable. Your advice isn't entirely accurate, different people will have different results. I'm sorry supplements didn't work for you, though.

Hugs, Devlyn

Which supplements are you talking about to skip?
For a moment I thought you were talking about HRT?

Quote from: jessilynn on August 09, 2015, 09:38:47 AM

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on August 08, 2015, 10:56:36 AM
If you're going on HRT, skip the supplements as they may conflict with each other.

I've gotten good results from supplements, and the cost is quite reasonable. Your advice isn't entirely accurate, different people will have different results. I'm sorry supplements didn't work for you, though.

Hugs, Devlyn

Which supplements are you talking about to skip?
For a moment I thought you were talking about HRT?

You're right, I should have been clearer. If someone is going to be getting on doctor prescribed Hormone Replacement Therapy, they should avoid taking supplements intended for feminization, unless their prescriber specifically OKs them. I hope that is a better explanation. 

Hugs, Devlyn

jessilynn-

What you get from other nature is controlled by many things - family genetics and your age being the two big ones. You can look at immediate family members to get an idea of where you may wind up, but that is no guarantee of results - there are always outliers that experience exceptional growth, or you may get very little growth in a family of large breasted women.

There is no magic bullet in this process. If you try combining supplements and prescription estrogen all you'll do is have both of them competing for the same estrogen receptor sites, and since the supplements are the much weaker estrogen form it will slow down your progress.

Whatever you'll get just takes time and patience - we are in the same exact boat as teenage girls waiting for theirs to develop.

Eat well, sleep, exercise avoid drugs, smoking and alcohol. Another words provide  optimum opportunity for your body to adjust to HRT and thrive.

I am 53, been on HRT 2 years and an A cup. My Mom was a DD and sister a D.

Quote from: jessilynn on August 09, 2015, 09:38:47 AM
Which supplements are you talking about to skip?

There's a pretty active and detailed forum just on subject of such supplements, as well as other methods, such as massage and negative pressure. I've spent enough time reading there to be convinced there is merit to much of it, but I certainly would not go with any internals when on HRT that the doctor doesn't approve of.

http://www.breastnexus.com/index.php