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I'm getting addicted to being stealth

Started by gothique11, December 08, 2007, 04:03:02 AM

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gothique11

I'm getting so addicted to stealth. I just got home from hanging out with a girl from work I just met. We had so much fun. It was great!

I keep getting more and more friends who don't know about me, and it's such a relief. I don't have to talk about trans stuff, I can just be myself, and people accept me as the woman I am.

I love going to work and having no one question my gender. I love going to work and not having to talk about trans stuff. I love just being myself, enjoying myself, and feeling so comfortable and happy being the woman I am.

I'm actually getting to the point that I'm considering moving to a new city where not a lot of people, or maybe no one, knows about me. It's tempting. And I know I can make friends easily (I'm already making friends at work like mad). So, I'm not too worried about moving somewhere and not knowing anyone.

It's weird. I've even changed my facebook so it has nothing trans on it because i have friends that know I'm trans and those who don't. And, honestly, I don't know if I want everyone of my friends knowing my personal medical issues. At the same time, I'm not paranoid about people finding out either, but at the same time I like the fact that people are getting to know me without the trans label stuck on me before hand.

At my last work place I was stealth, too. It was nice. I still hang out with one girl from my last work place. I just keep meeting new people from work or just going out, where they don't know. It's liberating somehow.

Part of me is trying to figure out if I want to take my youtube down or not. I don't put up many videos anymore. Part of me is glad that they have inspired people, but another part of me is excited to move on beyond trans-Natalie and moving on into just Natalie, your average girl.

I just love being myself, who I am. I go to work with no make up on, I hang out with my friends, and I'm just living and enjoying life. I feel much more comfortable with myself and... yeah, life over all is so much better. And the more that I just live it and not think about the trans stuff the more I enjoy myself. Being stealth is some how addictive, especially that I know I can get away with it now.

anyway, it's time for me to go to bed. But, yeah, I just wanted to share my thoughts.


--Natalie :)
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cindybc

Hi Natalie well congratulations and I will pray for continued growth and happiness for you.

Cindy
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Wing Walker

Hi, Natalie,

Thank you for sharing your great news!  Living your life as you have always believed you should is an addictive high, too.

I hate the term "stealth."  It sounds like a deception and it's not.  We are women and we go about our business like everyone who looks, acts, and sounds like us, with everyone who presents themselves as a woman.

Having said that, I am soooooo very happy for you.  Life can be lots of fun when you live it without explaining yourself.  You go, GF!

BTW, have you thought of coming to the Vancouver area?  Lots of work out here.

Enjoy yourself, lots!

Wing Walker
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Berliegh

Quote from: gothique11 on December 08, 2007, 04:03:02 AM
I'm getting so addicted to stealth. I just got home from hanging out with a girl from work I just met. We had so much fun. It was great!

I thought that was what was supposed to happen with a transition...
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tekla

"Part of me is glad that they have inspired people, but another part of me is excited to move on beyond trans-Natalie and moving on into just Natalie, your average girl."

I guess my question is ... At this point are you no longer a member of our community?  Or ... Once a ->-bleeped-<-, always a ->-bleeped-<-?

And golly gosh oh jeepers, who wants to be average?  Perhaps that is where you lost me.  I always wanted to be fabulous.  The real deal.  A force.  Something to be taken into consideration, no matter what gender they thought I was.  Matter of fact, I want gender to be about 13 on the top ten things people think about me. (which oddly enough, is what most average girls want too.)

I never thought that average was something to aspire to.  Sic transit gloria mundi.

Of course, I'm weird.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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cindybc

I like weird. Been called that most on my life anyway, why change horses now when I am almost at the finish line.

Cindy
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tekla

In the end you have the play the cards you were dealt.  So, if you are going to be weird, be really, really, good at being weird.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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cindybc

"Hee, hee, hee." Thanks for the advice Tekla, do well at what you do best huh.

Cindy
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LivingInGrey

I think in the end I would have to move on with my life, try to bury the past and forget. If I was to make a complete transition and I had nothing holding me to one area other then a rental agreement for an apartment and a job, I'd move most likely out of state.

I'd have to continue to hang in a place like this though after my move, I think it's helpful to have at least someone to talk to about issues and in general. I think it helps just to know I have a place like this even if for the most part I just chat.

gothique11, I'm glad you are finding joy in who you are now and more power to you if you choose to move on with your life. Ghosts in the closet are sometimes best left in the closet.
(ROCK) ---> ME <--- (HARD PLACE)
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melissa90299

Quote from: Berliegh on December 08, 2007, 04:53:31 AM
Quote from: gothique11 on December 08, 2007, 04:03:02 AM
I'm getting so addicted to stealth. I just got home from hanging out with a girl from work I just met. We had so much fun. It was great!

I thought that was what was supposed to happen with a transition...

I forgot what it was like, that giddy feeling that you get when you realize, everyone is just treating you like a cisgendered woman. I don't think the word for is stealth. What Natalie is describing is cissexual privilege. Whatever it is, enjoy the newness of it. To me, it's just every day life.

Posted on: December 08, 2007, 10:21:59 AM
Quote from: tekla on December 08, 2007, 05:24:34 AM
"Part of me is glad that they have inspired people, but another part of me is excited to move on beyond trans-Natalie and moving on into just Natalie, your average girl."

I guess my question is ... At this point are you no longer a member of our community?  Or ... Once a ->-bleeped-<-, always a ->-bleeped-<-?

And golly gosh oh jeepers, who wants to be average?  Perhaps that is where you lost me.  I always wanted to be fabulous.  The real deal.  A force.  Something to be taken into consideration, no matter what gender they thought I was.  Matter of fact, I want gender to be about 13 on the top ten things people think about me. (which oddly enough, is what most average girls want too.)

I never thought that average was something to aspire to.  Sic transit gloria mundi.

Of course, I'm weird.

LOL my original therapist told me "One day you will just be ordinary woman, well, not in your case, but you know what I mean" :)
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SusanK

Quote from: gothique11 on December 08, 2007, 04:03:02 AM
I'm getting so addicted to stealth...

That's cool and I wish you the best. I would only suggest you don't jettison your old friends who do know you just because you no longer want to have any friends who knew you when. It can leave a lot of bad tastes in their mouths about friendship so you can become a "new" person. Some of them likely helped and supported you as a friend before and during your transistion, and think how they would feel if someone did the same to you. We all have to go forward in our life, you just don't need to burn all the bridges of friendship.

And yes, a (trans)woman did that to me including removing everything of her former live from the Internet (or so she says - but only from her Websites). I'm not against her, or anyone, for wanting to live without the anyone knowing one's past life, but at what price? Old and/or good friends? They still know, and while good friends won't out you, some may not be so accepting of being abandoned or betrayed.

And whatever you do, don't send them a Christmas card about how happy you are now. ;)

Just my thoughts. Good luck and take care.

--Susan--
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melissa90299

I agree with Susan K, tripping out at this so-called stealth and being centered on self is not the key to happiness. Forming and maintaining meaningful relationships with others is more important than ego-tripping about being "stealth." It is just another attachment that will lead to suffering.

Oops, I just noticed this:

Quote...especially that I know I can get away with it (stealth) now.

I would add that being attached to a self-image that one considers a deception can be particularly harmful.



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gothique11

Quote from: Wing Walker on December 08, 2007, 04:31:02 AM
Hi, Natalie,

Thank you for sharing your great news!  Living your life as you have always believed you should is an addictive high, too.

I hate the term "stealth."  It sounds like a deception and it's not.  We are women and we go about our business like everyone who looks, acts, and sounds like us, with everyone who presents themselves as a woman.

Having said that, I am soooooo very happy for you.  Life can be lots of fun when you live it without explaining yourself.  You go, GF!

BTW, have you thought of coming to the Vancouver area?  Lots of work out here.

Enjoy yourself, lots!

Wing Walker


I have to stay in Alberta until after my surgery, but I've been talking about going to Vancouver for a bit now with a friend who also lives there (she's also transitioning).


Posted on: December 08, 2007, 02:29:10 PM
I don't like the word stealth, technically. I just be myself.

I won't be ditching all of my old friends, etc. I know someone who did this, and basically people thought she was dead except her closest friends. Moving to another city -- if I do that -- doesn't mean that anyone I used to know will be out of my life. And, I really don't hide myself and my history, but I don't exactly advertise it either. I advertised for a long time, even though I had so-called "passing privileges" (I don't like that word), I advertised to a lot of people. People would say, "Wow, I didn't know you were TS?" So, yeah, I've done my fair share of activism for the trans community here, constantly outing myself. In fact, next year, I'm going to be in a book and I'm not only outing myself, but also half-naked to boot. So, basially, I don't advertise, but I'll probably always be open if someone asks me about it. My transition is part of my life, and so is my past, and I can't hide that or be afraid someone might discover it. All that stuff is still there, all of my friends are still there, all of my past and transition is still here -- but that doesn't mean that I have to advertise it anymore. Does that make sense? So, maybe "stealth" is the wrong word. But maybe just being addicted to be being myself makes more sense.

But, you know, I'm liking not being an activist all the time. I'm liking not having to constantly explain things to everyone. People have taken my place, and I know others will take there places when they move on. I'm to the point that I want to organize my life beyond transition. I want to figure out where I want to go career wise. I want to has some adventure in my life. I want to do a lot of things beyond just transitioning and feeling stuck in the trans-educator/activist role for my entire life.

And ordinary means that I'm seen as a woman and that's it. I've been getting it for a long time. My last two jobs none of my co-workers knew about my trans status. As a person, I'm far from ordinary. Of course, no one in here actually knows me in real life, so how would ppl in here know for real. I'm a character, I attract a lot of friends, and I'm a pretty cool person.

Another fun fact is that I'm also doing to be doing Drag King stuff. My first show is Feb. 7th if I plan on sticking around this city until then. It's in Feb cause the show in Jan was canceled or something. I do it because it's acting, it's fun, and I'm confident in myself and I know who I am that putting on a character and putting on a show is just fun for me.

And a friend recently informed me of some possible studio work where I could do voice stuff (yes, I do funny/cartoon voices, etc). So, I'm going to look into that.

So, I'm in a book, I did modeling, I'm going to be preforming, and looking into working on voice acting. So, yeah, I have my fair share of not-average activity. I just have fun. I do what I want to do and I go for it.

I've just been making a lot of new friends that don't know about my trans status. I work and no body knows. I go out to different clubs/bars and the whole places doesn't know. Basically, trans stuff doesn't rule my life. I don't have to go around explaining things to people and constantly being a trans educator or constantly have to talk about trans-related stuff.

Another reason for moving to another city is not completely on the subject of stealth, but the the ability to actually afford a place to live. Calgary is insane for costs, and it's hard to find a place to live here. I have several friends that have moved to other cities who I talk to all the time and visit. Since I have to stay in AB for a while longer, I've considered moving to Edmonton, which is way cheaper by far and I have a job there (I also have a job in Vancouver, too... and Vancouver, ironically, is now cheaper than Calgary to live in... apparently our costs have passed Vancouver and it's not 5% cheaper to live there, and I have several friends who moved form here to there who say that yes, it's cheaper. I had one friend who worked two jobs here and moved back to Vancouver because it's nicer, cheaper, and she can have one, full-time job and live off that, not two full-time jobs and barely survive).

My new friend, for example, works at $50,000 job and now works at my drug store. She lives pay-cheque-to-pay-cheque. I know a ton of people like this, and almost everyone at my job works a "real" higher-paying job. She lives in an apartment with three people, has no car, and has nothing really fancy. It's a very common story around here, and becoming way to common.

I work at the drug store full time, I also get supplemented with my income via the province, so I just barely make it as well. I actually live off my credit cards.

But, if I could move to a different place that costs less, that has different opportunities, and then maybe I can actually pay down my debt (instead of living in it) and not have to work 70/h to live pay-cheque-to-pay-cheque.

And Edmonton isn't far from Calgary, so visiting my old friends is easy (or them visiting me). I go to Edmonton all the time, and so do my friends. The other option is Lethbridge (which is where I'm from)... although way cheaper, I really don't want to live there again. If I do, however, I have places I could stay. I have friends all over the province, and in BC.


--Natalie :)


Posted on: December 08, 2007, 02:59:29 PM
Quote from: Kiera on December 08, 2007, 06:29:53 AM
Quote from: gothique11 on December 08, 2007, 04:03:02 AMI'm actually getting to the point that I'm considering moving to a new city where not a lot of people, or maybe no one, knows about me. It's tempting. . .
--Nat, should be a "no brainer" Not sure at this point how the Atlanta option will work out but your thinking in the right direction which is OUT!  >:(
Quote from: Kiera on December 07, 2007, 03:31:54 AMJust Ranting Too! Care to move to Atlanta, we'll find a place together? Need a decent bed?
Love,  :icon_bunch:


Atlanta sounds cool. I'm not so stoked on living in the states, however. And, for the next few months I have to live in AB for my surgery to happen. After that, however, moving out of province is no problem (or out of country). I lived in the US several times before, as a kid and when I was 19 (I lived in Las Vegas). It was okay, but I'm iffy about moving there.
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Wing Walker

Hi, Natalie,

Unless you have someone who can sponsor you to legally reside in the States, you won't get in.  They are very narrow about who can sponsor you.  My soulmate and lifepartner is Canadian,  She sponsored me into Canada, so I'm here.

I had no idea that Calgary was so expensive.  I thought that Fort Mac was first, Yellowknife second, and Vancouver third.

Enjoy your Saturday night!

Wing Walker
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cindybc

Thought I would give you a better congrats.

Congratulations sista



Cynthia


Posted on: December 08, 2007, 07:41:25 PM
Come to Vancouver. I am just fascinated by the climate here. Dec with green plants and green grass all over the place. Well I'm kind of a naturalist bug, I love green growing things.

Cindy
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