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Trying to gain Female Fat Distribution

Started by Berliegh, December 01, 2007, 06:37:01 AM

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Keira

One thing I've got to say. Most women, and TS, use far too little weights in their weight training to build muscles. The 5 pound example is a good one, its too low. You should be doing short serie at 90-95% of maximum you can lift once (3) and a 2-3 of longer ones at 80% (7). You should do that for all muscle groups you want to increase. IF you don't do that, you'll get a bit of muscle tone out of your weights, but not much else.

I trained at a national level (Canada) in high jumping from 15-23, so I've got a lot experience in what works. Just to give you a hint, my vertical impulsion with runnup was 3 feet 7 inches, that means I could put my mid back on the ceiling of a normal house by just jumping... My free standing jumping impulsion was 2 feet 9 inch, I could easily bang my shoulder on the ceiling and did it often as a parlor trick for guests :-). Until last year, I could still put my elbow to the ceiling, not bad for an old fart. HEHE.


The funny thing is that my highest jump as a male is higher than the current female world record 2m09 I believe. High jump is one of the sports where there is the greatest disparity in male and female records. Male muscle fibers are faster which has a great impact in a sport where you must transfer running speed into vertical speed.






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Berliegh

Quote from: gothique11 on December 01, 2007, 09:20:53 PM
I think biology has something to do with it. Different people seem to have different things happen to them on HRT. I hear after surgery, however, things seem to work better.


Why? and what difference would it make? and what surgery are you refering to gothique?
I've seen plenty of M to F post op transexuals that look male with stick type male bodyshapes.
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Keira

Until you've lost the mid fat which has a metabolic impact on fat distribution, you can't say anything about how you fat distribution will go. You've got to lose this first, no matter if it diminishes you hip initially, because you can't get a proper fat distribution from estrogen without it.

You've said plenty of time Berleigh that you don't want to lose the fat on the hips to lose the middle fat. I'm telling you its needed. The middle fat will mess fat distribution as long as it exists. Its called "metabolic syndrome" and its very unhealthy to keep fat there. Exercise can get most of it out if you run a calorie deficit; if your telling me its not going with exercise its because your not running a deficit!

I've got plenty of experience is sports and nutrition at a high level and I always wonder why people fight advices. My mother's way overweight and she's got a 1000 excuses for why she can't lose weight, none of which I believe because I see her behavior about food and exercise. We live on the same street so I see her very often. People don't realize their bad habits and behavior; that's why the US is overrun by overweight people.

My mother said she'd never seen somebody as thin as me right now, but I'm still only in the middle of the target weight!! Because of muscle mass takes less space and I'm in good shape and my frame is very very small I look very thin even though I probably have 10% fat.



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Tea

Fat, GAH I remember being picked on by my mother for having "love handles" (I don't "love" them) I wasn't over weight I just put fat in the the guy areas. I even chased my brother around with a screw driver because he thought it would be funny to poke fun of me. It has always been a part of my problems.

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Berliegh

Quote from: Keira on December 02, 2007, 09:53:46 AM
You've said plenty of time Berleigh that you don't want to lose the fat on the hips to lose the middle fat. I'm telling you its needed. The middle fat will mess fat distribution as long as it exists. Its called "metabolic syndrome" and its very unhealthy to keep fat there. Exercise can get most of it out if you run a calorie deficit; if your telling me its not going with exercise its because your not running a deficit!


I haven't got any fat on the hips? and I haven't ever said I have Keira. I am quite skinny apart from the fat that seems to aculimlate on my belly. I don't have a big butt or enough fat on my legs and it looks like male type fat distribution. I could stop eating and end up like all the other 'stick like' transsexuals you see which also cannot gain a female fat distribution pattern either...
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Keira


What I'm telling you is first lose the behind the abdomen wall fat, which will mess up fat distribution process in the middle. Then, when its gone, eat normally or even slightly in excess and see where it goes.

There's no advantage in passability to running a bigger than one WHR and besides your belly from your description your already stick thin almost everywhere and you've got no fat in your face, etc. So, what is there to lose to trying it.
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Berliegh

Quote from: Keira on December 06, 2007, 09:56:07 AM

What I'm telling you is first lose the behind the abdomen wall fat, which will mess up fat distribution process in the middle. Then, when its gone, eat normally or even slightly in excess and see where it goes.

There's no advantage in passability to running a bigger than one WHR and besides your belly from your description your already stick thin almost everywhere and you've got no fat in your face, etc. So, what is there to lose to trying it.


I think the main problem was that because pre - hormones I was quite thin and only had a llittle fat on my belly and no where else, but since hormones it's exagerated the fat in the same area.
That is what HRT does it increases the fat cells and if the only fat you have is on the belly, that's where it will go..

I will excercise more but I am dissapointed by the lack of feminisation on the body. I have yet to see a transsexual with real female fat distribution throughout their body. I'm not saying it can't be done but from the large amount of transsexuals I've seen over the years I haven't seen it personally..

But I will continue my quest to try and achieve it even though several people including a U.K NHS endocrinologist imply I cannot..
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tisha

Has anyone tried an Ab Lounge ?  I have lost weight from 180 lbs down to 142-145 lbs. I lost that much in less than six months. And I didnt starve my self. I just totally changed my eating habits. No sodas. Only bottled water and Propel bottled waters. Drink lots of water !! No fried foods. Only grilled. Lots of fish and chicken. And yes vegatables too. And as for as excersise. The only thing I do is crunches on the Ab Lounge. Around 240 to 270 double crunches 3 or 4 times a week. That made my stomach go totally flat. But, thats just what worked on me. Give it a try. You may have luck too.
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Keira


Targetted exercise cannot make your stomach flat (a bit flatter if your stomach muscles were very weak), because the fat behind the abdomen wall will still push on it. Its losing that weight which has flatten the stomach, not the ab exercises, though once the fat is gone, you do look better with nice abs :-).
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Suzy

Not trying to hijack, but this brings up another question:  Are there any exercises that will actually add bulk to your buns?  I'm critically lacking in that area.  As I lose weight it only gets to be more of a problem.  I do a lot of walking and have thought about ankle weights, but my legs are already muscular enough. 

Kristi
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Keira


Squats are the best bet.
You could also could lie on the ground on your belly
with your feet under a sofa
and pull yourself up vertically
(this would also strengthen the lower back
which is often neglected)
Isometrics, putting your back on the wall and doing
the chair is quite good for the buttocks and upper leg.
You need a wall with substantial friction.

Lifting the leg back is not my preferred option because
there's a lack of sufficient weight which means you'll
get more tone than muscle.




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Nero

Quote from: Keira on December 09, 2007, 10:27:38 PM

Squats are the best bet.
You could also could lie on the ground on your belly
with your feet under a sofa
and pull yourself up vertically
(this would also strengthen the lower back
which is often neglected)
Isometrics, putting your back on the wall and doing
the chair is quite good for the buttocks and upper leg.
You need a wall with substantial friction.

Lifting the leg back is not my preferred option because
there's a lack of sufficient weight which means you'll
get more tone than muscle.






yep squats are about the only solution for that.

Posted on: December 09, 2007, 11:39:05 PM
Quote from: Berliegh on December 07, 2007, 01:43:08 AM
Quote from: Keira on December 06, 2007, 09:56:07 AM

What I'm telling you is first lose the behind the abdomen wall fat, which will mess up fat distribution process in the middle. Then, when its gone, eat normally or even slightly in excess and see where it goes.

There's no advantage in passability to running a bigger than one WHR and besides your belly from your description your already stick thin almost everywhere and you've got no fat in your face, etc. So, what is there to lose to trying it.


I think the main problem was that because pre - hormones I was quite thin and only had a llittle fat on my belly and no where else, but since hormones it's exagerated the fat in the same area.
That is what HRT does it increases the fat cells and if the only fat you have is on the belly, that's where it will go..

I will excercise more but I am dissapointed by the lack of feminisation on the body. I have yet to see a transsexual with real female fat distribution throughout their body. I'm not saying it can't be done but from the large amount of transsexuals I've seen over the years I haven't seen it personally..

But I will continue my quest to try and achieve it even though several people including a U.K NHS endocrinologist imply I cannot..

hon, what i've been trying to get across to you and others is that it's quite normal for females not to have the typical female fat patterns (waist ratio smaller than hip ratio, thighs and plenty of junk in the trunk). I'm genetically female and have the typical 'male fat pattern' (hip ratio smaller than waist ratio, bulk of weight on stomach).
If there were a cure for this type of thing, it'd been discovered by the hip-less and butt-less long ago.
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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cindybc

I was with my second bout with anorexia when I started on the hormones 7 years ago. I weighed 85 lbs. Once I began to eat and taking protein supplement I went from 85 lbs to 125lbs I would say that's normal for a 5' 3" person. Got a bit more  fat on the stomach now, bust then I had some there even before I started the hormones when I was anorexic. 

But I can see the results of where the fat was distributed where it should on the hips the calves of my legs and on the butt. And I wear 36b bras. Pretty good shape for an old gal.

Cindy
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Keira


I'm always surprised about people reporting their weight.
I'm 6 foot and 155 and have a lot of muscles still, when
I'm closer to female avg I'll be around 140 and size 4 top and bottom.
I'm a smal 34C (B is too tight) and I'm sure I'll end up being a small 32D. Which is small frame for a 5 foot female let alone 6 foot.


Cindy, if you've got belly fat despite being lean its probably
visceral fat, the worse. Do you exercise? Even moderate
exercise can get rid of visceral fats.


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nickie

Boy, can I relate to this! Ever since my girlfriend stopped smoking and started eating, I got fat! I had quit my very physically demanding job, and was in nursing school, doing a lot of sitting. I gained over 20 lbs. I walk and ride my bike every day, but it is still climbing. I have cut out a lot of fattening food, ice cream, milk shakes, french fries, pizza, but nothing seems to work. I tried on a suit yesterday to wear to go job hunting, and the skirt wouldn't zip up. The added weight makes my butt hurt so I have to use a cushion to sit in most public places. I am just about ready to slit my wrists over this, and have considered stopping HRT! I was heavy once before, and took off 20 lbs, but I don't seem to be having any luck this time. Other than that, I feel great. Guess I'll try to get back to 400 crunches a day...Maybe if I got a boob job.... ::)
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Keira


Crunches are not the best bet.
Build your muscle mass in the lower body to increase metabolism.
Count all calories you eat during the day, I think you'd
be surprised how much you eat. As you muscle mass
shrinks with HRT, you have to eat less than before
or you will gain weight.

I always check the labels to see how many calories there are.
I know exactly how I need in a day, eat slowly to let my
internal appetite suppressor tell me when I've got enough.
Cut portions, eat in smaller plates. If your eating much pizza, cut
that for sure.
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Naturally Blonde

Berliegh

Trying to gain Female Fat Distribution
« on: December 01, 2007, 07:37:01 am »
This has always been a worry for me and as time goes on even more so. Since starting perminantly on hormones in 2002 I have noticed alarming effects with my fat distribution. The aera where I had a little fat (my belly) is where the fat has increased (very much like male type fat distribution) and has exagerated the area through time. I still have (in comparison) very little fat on my legs, butt, thighs and face. I think my pic makes me look far better than it really is and it's not that recent.

Recently the fat on my belly is increasing, the more HRT I take and it has got bigger and it looks awful with my clothes off, very male type fat effect. I excercise a lot and walk to miles but the fat distribution continues in the wrong places mimmicking a male type fat - distribution. Has anyone got any serious solutions other than lipo?




That was me in 2007, it's now 2015 and I'm still trying to get female fat distribution? From my own experiences as many of you already know I have personally been disappointed with my poor development from hormones, especially taken into consideration that I have been on prescription hormones for nearly 14 years. Some of you may have a different story and the medication has given you the physical changes you were hoping for? if so I'd be interested to know details of your medication product and regime? or maybe like me you have been struggling to find something that works?

My present proportions are a U.K size 12 on the bottom and a U.K size 16 to 18 on the top. Women are usual the other way round and the lower body is slightly bigger or the same as the upper body. I have have seen very few if any disproportionate women. I am not look for the perfect shape, just a shape that is more physically proportioned as a female. For me a transition isn't about just having SRS, or what clothes you are wearing, for me is is about a physical change which I think determines your gender to others.



Living in the real world, not a fantasy
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That's quite the thread necromancy haha!

I, like many many others here, will never, never have supermodel proportions.  Cool thing though:  most cis-girls will never have that either, so... touché

What are your measurements in terms of bust / waist / hips though, if you don't mind sharing?


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Naturally Blonde

Quote from: Ⓥ on June 20, 2015, 03:33:50 PM
That's quite the thread necromancy haha!

I, like many many others here, will never, never have supermodel proportions.  Cool thing though:  most cis-girls will never have that either, so... touché

What are your measurements in terms of bust / waist / hips though, if you don't mind sharing?

I don't think you understand the situation at all? This does not relate to supermodels. I am talking about just trying to get any kind of basic female fat re-distribution. I don't know what my measurements are but what I do know is I don't have any hips and very little breast development. My waist is not good as HRT seems to encourage fat to deposit in the belly area.
Living in the real world, not a fantasy
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Quote from: Naturally Blonde on June 22, 2015, 06:05:59 PM
I don't think you understand the situation at all? This does not relate to supermodels. I am talking about just trying to get any kind of basic female fat re-distribution. I don't know what my measurements are but what I do know is I don't have any hips and very little breast development. My waist is not good as HRT seems to encourage fat to deposit in the belly area.
I wrote a longer reply but they say brevity is a virtue...hehe.

Obviously, to start, anyone would say "talk to your doc" but after 14 years, is it safe to assume you've been on an optimized dose for a hot minute?


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