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Terminology: Trangender Woman vs Transexual Woman

Started by Joi, September 05, 2015, 11:48:58 PM

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Joi

I am little perplexed and would appreciate some input from my sisters.  This area of the forum is labeled "Tran-sexual M to F.

I identify as a Trans Woman.  I have not had GRS yet.  However, when I do, how can that change my identity to a Tran-sexual Woman?

I will always be a male surgery or not genetically .  I don't plan to identify as a Tran-sexual woman after I complete GRS because I haven't changed sex only my external physical characteristics.

I plan to identify as a Transgender woman after GRS.  To me, the term transsexual is outdated and inaccurate as one cannot change ones sex.

Has anyone pondered this?  What do you think? 





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warlockmaker

The terminology transgender v transsexuals has evolved and many places refer to us as transgender. There is a definition that distinguishes between the two but I have never bother about definitive labeling that group us in a narrow interpretation. So if you want to label yourself it's your right.

Each of us opts for what we want by accepting who we are. This is particularly true for older transitioners. We have had a long life experience and we have the right to be who we wish. Go for it, it's all acceptable.
When we first start our journey the perception and moral values all dramatically change in wonderment. As we evolve further it all becomes normal again but the journey has changed us forever.

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stephaniec

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Zoetrope

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Ms Grace

I wouldn't bother overthinking it. I prefer the term transgender for myself, and will continue to use it even after GRS.
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Lady Smith

My vote is for Transgender when I want an umbrella to stand under, - transgender seems like an out of date label as far as I'm concerned.
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Rejennyrated

Quote from: Joi on September 05, 2015, 11:48:58 PM
as one cannot change ones sex.
Well some of us would disagree - the process is not perfect it is true, but within acceptable medical definitions I would maintain you can to some extent - and it is in fact the erroneous belief that you can not that is innacurate. In about 18 months I will hold a medical degree, so I hope I know a little about this.

It used to hinge on the idea that chromosomes could not be changed and that XX was always female and XY always male. But this clearcut idea that because you could not alter chromosomes you could not be defined as the other sex is actually mistaken. We now know that in fact there are naturally occuring true XX males and XY females. It is a very rare condition but it does exist.

We also begining to be able to manipulate peoples genes - so at some point we may even be able to alter them. It has been done in a lab already. A testis was induced to become an ovary and visa/versa.

As a further complication some of us on this board have intersex conditions either minor or major.

Bottom line however is that it is all a matter of personal preference. I am the opposite of you in that I maintain that my problem was only with my physical sex and not at all with my gender - and hence, while I reluctantly accept the term transsexual, I do not personally accept being called transgender. However as I originally transitioned as a child and had my SRS over three decades ago I do not routinely identify as either, except as a matter of history.

Whatever we choose to call ourself it is to be hoped that we are all prepared to respect others of a different view and not erase their identity as invalid.
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Cindy

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Martine A.

I am Martine. :)

But I was glad to read the above mentioned dic before, because ... it is complicated. I am in a sensitive period when I don't know what to expect from therapists and the system in the Netherlands, and thus am also being aware I might be denied transition that is restricted to government sector here. Technically, no money can buy hrt.

That said, at least recognizing me as transsexual per 'outdated ICD-10' does some good. A month ago I had talk with a cis woman who 'deals with TG/TS rights', where she denied in a conversation I'd be a TS before I am all done with SRS. It was a horrible conversation, one that strays in suicidal thoughts. Luckily, she is not from the Netherlands.

Resembling to what Ms Grace said, once I get my life, I would not really care what I am called.
Caring about names is artificially induced in my case.
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Cindy

I will add something, my personal opinion about myself has changed. Yes I was a transgender or a trans sexual woman (makes no difference to me). I referred to myself as a transgender female.

I'm now post-trans*. Which means; I'm just another woman who deals with her issues as every single woman on this planet does.
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Obfuskatie

Transsexual used to refer to transgender individuals that transition to their identified gender, hence the MtF and FtM designations. It's a bit passé because most of us don't want to have our assigned gender as part of what defines us permanently. Also it's a bit objectifying and misunderstood by a lot of folks because of the sexual part of it when it has nothing to do with orientation. I still think transsexual should refer to someone exclusively attracted to trans* people, as heterosexual, asexual, homosexual and bisexual all have a pattern in their definitions.
I prefer using trans*, and refer to myself as a transwoman.


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Joelene9

  I am not bothered by the difference in the terminology. "Transsexual" was the term I grew up with. Read my avatar area.

Joelene
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hvmatt

Woman with a transsexual history but actually just woman will do fine.Thats who I am.
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suzifrommd

I think the transsexual term began being deprecated a few years back because it implied our condition was somehow sexual. People were associating it with homosexual, bisexual, etc.
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Laura_7

Here is a nice graph showing transgender can be used as an umbrella term:
http://transaustin.com/terms-and-concepts/the-trans-umbrella/

Well if saying trans man or woman its up to each person if it means transsexual or transgender...

The term transgender is imo reaching more acceptance now... and people begin to accept gender variance more imo...

I'd say that sometimes people had to fight a lot... so it might be advisable to try to relax... being a man/woman and trying to exude it...


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Devlyn

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JoanneB

After seeing my response turning into a rant... I'll also pass
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Serenation

I'll be interested if your opinion changes are after SRS.

also transsexual is spelt as such.
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captains

Quote from: suzifrommd on September 06, 2015, 04:43:52 AM
I think the transsexual term began being deprecated a few years back because it implied our condition was somehow sexual. People were associating it with homosexual, bisexual, etc.

My impression as well.
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iKate

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