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Started by iKate, September 11, 2015, 05:52:56 PM

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iKate

Today I had my hearing to change my name. I dressed up nice and all, with the little black dress and a pair of platform wedge shoes. (exactly like my avatar).

Arrived at one county court building. The deputy in the parking lot told me that I needed to go to the other building. I went there, the deputy looked at my papers then said no the other building. I went to the civil division window and asked. THey said yep, other building.

So I went, deputy at the door said, "Ma'am, you're 20 minutes early." I said, "well I didn't want to be late." He directed me to the waiting area. Tick, tock, time passed. Eventually half hour after the hearing time, the door finally opened. We sat down, only 3 people there today, one was a wage dispute thing and the other was another (non-trans) name change.

I never mentioned "transgender" in my initial filing at all, I just said I needed a feminine name to match my gender identity. I figured they'd get the hint and I did not want any public records to say "transgender" because of the possibility of it showing up in search engines when people search for "transgender." This is just my preference.

The judge came out about 20 minutes after we were seated in the courtroom, we all rose when he entered the room, then sat down.

The first name change applicant was called up. An old guy who had been using a name all along that wasn't his legal name and he wanted to make it legal. When they were done with him, they called my old name. The clerk then said, "oh, okay." like a lightbulb went off in her head.

Then I went up. They made me swear on a bible, which I was a bit annoyed about because even though I am a Christian it's probably not my bible and I don't think that they should force the bible on everyone.

The judge called out my name, and asked why I was changing it, saying, "you need a more feminine name to match your gender identity?" I said, "Your honor, I am transgender, and I am changing my name as part of my gender transition because my current legal name does not match my gender identity." Then he said, "ah, okay." Then he proceeded to ask if I had counseling, etc. I explained that I've had counseling with a licensed therapist, medical treatment and surgery related to my transition over the last year or so. He asked if my intent was to evade prosecution or to defraud anyone. He asked a string of yes/no questions, I can't remember how many times I've said,"yes your honor" and "no your honor." He then asked where I was born, and if I was a US citizen. After that he said that he is satisfied that my application is genuine and not for any fraudulent purpose and he signed the order and sent me to get certified copies of the judgment.

They were very courteous and professional, and the judge didn't seem to judge me (haha) for being trans.

I was very happy when it was all said and done but they put a 30 day hold on it, I guess that is standard. It needs to be published in the newspaper too, and I am calling them on Monday. 

I ordered 5 copies with the raised seal at $25 each (ouch). I will need more but I have 5 to start. They did not offer me the option to make my own copies and they certify it. October 12 I go to DMV and social security. I have to send copies to the tax department (NJ) and the IRS. More places need it too, but it's a process. I hope that some non-Government places will just accept a photocopy. I estimate that by end of year I will have most of it covered.
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Sydney_NYC

Congratulations!!!! (I know I told you on Facebook, but it is a big deal  :) ) Mine was similar in Bergen County, NJ. They just want to make sure your not trying to get away with anything. As a side note, Social Security will notify the IRS for you, but you do have to send one (certified copies with seal) to the NJ Tax Department that you don't get back. Social security and DMV will give you your copy back when you visit them.

October 12th will be like a 2nd birthday for you!!!!
Sydney





Born - 1970
Came Out To Self/Wife - Sept-21-2013
Started therapy - Oct-15-2013
Laser and Electrolysis - Oct-24-2013
HRT - Dec-12-2013
Full time - Mar-15-2014
Name change  - June-23-2014
GCS - Nov-2-2017 (Dr Rachel Bluebond-Langner)


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Jessie Ann

Congratulations Kate!  Feels great doesn't. Good luck to you on getting all of your other records changed.
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Mariah

Yay, congrats. It's a day that you won't forget. Most places will want the copies with the seal on them, but if done in person you often get your copy back. They really do become like  second birthday. Hugs
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iKate


Quote from: Mariah2014 on September 12, 2015, 01:10:15 AM
Yay, congrats. It's a day that you won't forget. Most places will want the copies with the seal on them, but if done in person you often get your copy back. They really do become like  second birthday. Hugs
Mariah

Some places like my credit union (Navy FCU) and Amex have a form to upload it online. I've already made a scanned PDF copy and put it in my backups and put a CD in the safe with my other legal documents.
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iKate


Quote from: Sydney_NYC on September 11, 2015, 10:56:14 PM
Congratulations!!!! (I know I told you on Facebook, but it is a big deal  :) ) Mine was similar in Bergen County, NJ. They just want to make sure your not trying to get away with anything. As a side note, Social Security will notify the IRS for you, but you do have to send one (certified copies with seal) to the NJ Tax Department that you don't get back. Social security and DMV will give you your copy back when you visit them.

October 12th will be like a 2nd birthday for you!!!!

Haha yes it will be!

I kind of figured MVC would give me my copies back. Most other places will accept a copy it seems. Most important right now apart from social security and nj division of taxation is my CU and Amex so I can update my cards. Work just needs SSA updated and I can submit everything online. Also health insurance should be easy too.

I may also need to update NYS division of taxation because I work in NY and pay NY taxes.

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Jessirules

Congratulations,  you must feel great!

Jessi

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Sydney_NYC

Quote from: iKate on September 12, 2015, 04:23:45 AM
....

I may also need to update NYS division of taxation because I work in NY and pay NY taxes.

Oh yes the dreaded NY Commuter Tax  :(
Sydney





Born - 1970
Came Out To Self/Wife - Sept-21-2013
Started therapy - Oct-15-2013
Laser and Electrolysis - Oct-24-2013
HRT - Dec-12-2013
Full time - Mar-15-2014
Name change  - June-23-2014
GCS - Nov-2-2017 (Dr Rachel Bluebond-Langner)


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Lynne

Congrats on your name change, you look great on your avatar! Glad to see the hearing went well.

A lot of aspects of the name change procedure over there are strange to me.

Going to court for a simple name change for example, but I know that a lot of countries have similar practices. Swearing on the Bible would have annoyed me very much. I feel that religious books have no place in a courtroom.

Publishing your name change in newspapers? I saw this a lot of times but I'm still trying to wrap my head around it. I sort of understand the reasons behind it but I feel it's just wrong. How on earth are your rights are protected if you have to tell the whole world about it?
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iKate

Quote from: Lynne on September 13, 2015, 10:16:04 AM
Congrats on your name change, you look great on your avatar! Glad to see the hearing went well.


Thanks!!!

QuoteGoing to court for a simple name change for example, but I know that a lot of countries have similar practices.

The real irony here is that in my old country, Trinidad and Tobago, I can just go swear an affidavit before a Justice of the Peace and it is done. No publication or anything. But they have zero provision in the law to change gender, and the religious establishment wants to keep it that way.

Also, same sex acts are punishable by 25 years in prison, and I think there may even still be a law that makes men wearing women's clothing in public a criminal offense.

QuoteSwearing on the Bible would have annoyed me very much. I feel that religious books have no place in a courtroom.

I do too, and apparently it's how our county is, not a statewide practice.

QuotePublishing your name change in newspapers? I saw this a lot of times but I'm still trying to wrap my head around it. I sort of understand the reasons behind it but I feel it's just wrong. How on earth are your rights are protected if you have to tell the whole world about it?

They are more interested in protecting the big banks than they are your privacy.
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iKate

Quote from: Sydney_NYC on September 12, 2015, 10:11:53 PM
Oh yes the dreaded NY Commuter Tax  :(

Well not really, it's just that unlike NJ and PA, NY does not have a reciprocal taxation agreement with us. NYS loves our taxes and yet I can't help but feel that the Mayor and Governor of NYC and NYS love treating us like dirt. I pay a higher rate to NY and my wife even pays Section 1127 taxes because she is a city employee. This is separate from the commuter tax issue they always like to talk about.

Eventually I will get a job in NJ like I had years ago, where the commute was awesome too. I like my workplace to some degree but commuting to NYC and dealing with the NYS Government is wearing on me. Plus there are better protections in NJ for trans people. We even have paid family leave.
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iKate

Updated my DL, social security and voter registration today. (I encourage ALL trans people to vote. No vote, no voice.)

I've also fired off a bunch of change requests to financial institutions I do business with to change my name.

Social security was pretty easy. Filled out form, gave them the court order and doctor's letter. They returned everything.

The doctor's letter did not have to be notarized. It just had to be on letterhead and has the doctor's license number.
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iKate

Been changing a lot of things.

Have to figure out changing the house deed/mortgage too.

Car titles changed along with registration.

Work HR updated their records today. Gender is updated to female too. I gave them a copy of my letter from beth israel.

Even PayPal updated my name today after I prodded them.
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lisarenee

Quote from: iKate on September 11, 2015, 05:52:56 PM
I have to send copies to the tax department (NJ) and the IRS. More places need it too, but it's a process. I hope that some non-Government places will just accept a photocopy. I estimate that by end of year I will have most of it covered.

You need to notify the IRS? I notified my employer (and SSA) and they changed everything in their system. I get paid as Lisa and my SSN hasn't changed.

In my case, I have only lost one of my certified copies. I think my HRT doctor mistakenly kept the original after making a photocopy. Everyone else made a copy and gave the original back (SSA, DMV, Bank) or took a photocopy.
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iKate

Quote from: lisarenee on October 23, 2015, 03:18:49 PM
You need to notify the IRS? I notified my employer (and SSA) and they changed everything in their system. I get paid as Lisa and my SSN hasn't changed.

In my case, I have only lost one of my certified copies. I think my HRT doctor mistakenly kept the original after making a photocopy. Everyone else made a copy and gave the original back (SSA, DMV, Bank) or took a photocopy.

You're right. I don't have to notify IRS, only SSA. But the NJ treasury needs to be notified. It's part of the court order.

My employer would change name in many things except my ID card and payroll until SSA was updated.

So far no one has kept a copy. NJ treasury asked for a SASE with the copy I sent them so they are returning it presumably.
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