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Started by JessieBirdie, September 24, 2015, 05:12:41 PM

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JessieBirdie

There aren't enough of these on here so I figured I might as well post.

I'm having SRS with Mcginn next Tuesday in Bristol, PA wooo!!!  Currently excited as heck but also simultaneously nervous and terrified at the pain prospects and possibility of complications.  I mean...just read this one description of how a particular transgirl kinda became after her surgery that was in the NYTimes.  See here.

But anyway, so I had my consultation back in early March.  My impression was that the clinic itself (which feels like a cozy hidden hole in the wall!) gives a truly personalized experience--and both me and my mother really liked Mcginn as a professional and surgeon.  She specializes in trans healthcare specifically, her staff is top notch, she didn't spare any details or exaggerate anything, she seems to know her stuff and I chose her after reading up a lot of anecdotes online.  Low rates of complications, good aesthetics, high rates of sensitivity, lack of a need to get on a plane (I live in CT, albeit I will be recovering at my mother's in Manhattan once I leave New Hope--also, US Surgeon so insurance coverage is easier--btw I have it :D), has a nice CV and is trans herself, all positives IMHO.  My only other main concern besides health complications and pain right now is hair (which I noted in another topic here).  I still have some thick hair at the base of the shaft after 6 months of flash thermolysis with a tech in New Haven when the hair removal diagram she gives (which is more of an actual photo of somebody's pre-op genitals rather than a diagram, hence I'm not posting it LOL) includes that area.  Yes I did treat it, that was actually the area we had to go over the most in fact :v.  Thinking I might've gotten better results with blend but it's too late now, I ain't delaying this longer and I've gone by her guideline (5-6 months electrolysis with one clearing a month, and I did several clearings alright...not monthly, but WEEKLY).  Plus with her technique, I think that hair will be treatable anyway as it'll be external.  See verbatim appt summary form description of procedure.

QuoteVaginoplasty: We do a one stage inverted penile technique using the scrotum as a skin graft to make the back of the vagina.  We reduce the glans penis to make a sensate clitoris.  The nerves of the clitoris are in the mons pubis.  The labia are made from penile foreskin.  The urethra is shortened and wrapped around the clitoris to make a clitoral hood.  The hood provides protection and lubrication to the clitoris.  The areas that have the most sensation are the mons, clitoris, and the g-spot inside the vagina.  The surgery takes about 3-4 hours.

Anyway, otherwise she does require you to go cold turkey on estrogen 2 weeks in advance to avoid blood clots (I did 2 weeks one day...hah).  She allows you to stay on spiro though until day before (Other surgeons, like Bowers for example do the opposite (her website says stay on low dosage estradiol no spiro), funky, but meh, whatever).

Anyway, health history stuff for ya'll to get a good idea of who the lady who is going through this is:

I'm currently 24 y.o as of this month, circ'ed (yes I asked about that, even with the surgery description involving foreskin it really isn't an issue) and started hormones a few months after I turned 18, I never stopped hormones up until now (doing fine now actually going cold turkey on estrogen, oddly enough).  At the consult I was 193 lbs at 5'10.5".  Mcginn recommended I lose weight for the graft to take better and therefore to get a better result, I did, I'm now like 145 after 7 months.  I also am a non-smoker discovered during the pre-op blood tests that apparently I have Gilbert Syndrome, hah.

I'm not looking forward to bowel prep (liquid diet on Sunday, clear liquid on Monday+magnesium and fleet enemas).  I'll also be staying at the Gaia House, largest suite as my mom is going to be my surgery buddy and wants her own bed and not just a pullout (that was the only room with a true spare bed rather than a pullout).  So we'll see how it goes, hoping for the best.
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kittenpower

Congratulations and best wishes for the best possible outcome! :)
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JLT1

Keep us updated!!! I'm scheduled for Dec. with her.

Hugs

Jen


To move forward is to leave behind that which has become dear. It is a call into the wild, into becoming someone currently unknown to us. For most, it is a call too frightening and too challenging to heed. For some, it is a call to be more than we were capable of being, both now and in the future.
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Isabelle

Good luck!
Don't fear the bowel prep... It's not so bad. :)
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Rachel

HRT  5-28-2013
FT   11-13-2015
FFS   9-16-2016 -Spiegel
GCS 11-15-2016 - McGinn
Hair Grafts 3-20-2017 - Cooley
Voice therapy start 3-2017 - Reene Blaker
Labiaplasty 5-15-2017 - McGinn
BA 7-12-2017 - McGinn
Hair grafts 9-25-2017 Dr.Cooley
Sataloff Cricothyroid subluxation and trachea shave12-11-2017
Dr. McGinn labiaplasty, hood repair, scar removal, graph repair and bottom of  vagina finished. urethra repositioned. 4-4-2018
Dr. Sataloff Glottoplasty 5-14-2018
Dr. McGinn vaginal in office procedure 10-22-2018
Dr. McGinn vaginal revision 2 4-3-2019 Bottom of vagina closed off, fat injected into the labia and urethra repositioned.
Dr. Thomas in 2020 FEMLAR
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KristinaM

I'm so envious! She's my top choice right now, for all the same reasons you mentioned, plus I like the pictures I've seen so far. I'm still in the early stages of research though. I'm hoping to start "full-time" at college in January, probably not at work until the summer though. So yeah, it'll be a while, lol.

Anywho, best of luck to you. I will be watching this thread like a hawk. :-)
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Laura_7

You could have a look here:
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,193067.msg1721458.html#msg1721458

Brassard might be another option...

but its up to each one to do some research and compare...
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KristinaM

I have a question for you, how long ago did you book your surgery with McGinn? How long is or was the wait list at the time?
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awilliams1701

I too am curious about the waiting list. About a month or two ago I was told Bowers was 2 years. I was also told that McGinn has a more complicated situation with insurance. I really like both.
Ashley
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Wynternight

McGinn takes full payment then helps you file with insurance for reimbursement whereas Bowers will file with insurance and you just pay the copay, yes? I seem to recall reading that once.
Stooping down, dipping my wings, I came into the darkly-splendid abodes. There, in that formless abyss was I made a partaker of the Mysteries Averse. LIBER CORDIS CINCTI SERPENTE-11;4

HRT- 31 August, 2014
FT - 7 Sep, 2016
VFS- 19 October, 2016
FFS/BA - 28 Feb, 2018
SRS - 31 Oct 2018
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KristinaM

Quote from: awilliams1701 on September 24, 2015, 11:41:09 PM
I too am curious about the waiting list. About a month or two ago I was told Bowers was 2 years. I was also told that McGinn has a more complicated situation with insurance. I really like both.

This too, I hear Bowers refers people to McGinn because the wait is shorter too, or she used to.  It seems like the "more complicated" insurance filing with McGinn would help keep the wait list a bit shorter as well.

Were you on a "cancellation list" or something where they'll call you and bump up the surgery date if a sooner one becomes available?  hehe.

Do Tell!

We're all so hungry for information.  Thank you, thank you, for whatever you can provide, and I think I speak for everyone (most of us?) when I say we wish you the best of luck and a speedy recovery!  Again, so jealous!  LOL.
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JessieBirdie

#11
Here are some specific responses to your questions ;).

Quote from: KristinaM on September 24, 2015, 09:51:12 PM
I have a question for you, how long ago did you book your surgery with McGinn? How long is or was the wait list at the time?

My Timeline:
I emailed the intake form 10/23/14, got a call about a week or so later.  Had an in-person consult booked for 3/2/15.  At the consult, I placed my $2,500 deposit down with a personal check for a 9/29 surgery date (9/15 was actually available, but my mom, who is a semi-observant Jew, wouldn't be my surgery buddy over Rosh Hashanah/Yom Kippur).  Note: You usually need a surgery date to apply for pre-cert with insurance.  I also was never on a cancellation list and never would've entered one anyway as I was dealing with pre-surgical electrolysis on a specific timetable.

Quote from: Wynternight on September 25, 2015, 12:13:03 AM
McGinn takes full payment then helps you file with insurance for reimbursement whereas Bowers will file with insurance and you just pay the copay, yes? I seem to recall reading that once.

It is actually more complex than that.  To be quite specific there are actually three separate charges regarding surgery which are all handled differently.  All fees are obviously subject to change if you decide to book Mcginn!  It actually increased from about sub 20k to 21k right around when I booked.

A: Mcginn's fee, this is currently $14,750 for my own surgery including the deposit.
B: Liberty Anesthesia Associates fee, currently $1,350.
C: Lower Bucks hospital fee, currently $4,900.

Fees A and B were due 9/1 in my case, fee C is payable in person day of surgery by any method.  A and B must be paid by certified check/money order, albeit you can place up to $3,000 of fee A on a credit card without a surcharge.  Furthermore, she accepted a personal check for the surgery deposit.

MORE:
Mcginn's office will help you apply for pre-cert (they are good at it too, they actually did it 3x in my case as I have my own insurance, then I am insured under my mom, who changed carriers in August--don't ask!!) but will not directly bill insurance and you must therefore be reimbursed by your insurance company.  Thus, to use Mcginn, you need to be able to front at least her fee only.

However, fees B and C however you DO NOT need to front if you can get a pre-cert # from the insurance company.  Funny, I actually had to front the anesthesiologist fee, but I won't pay the hospital in my case because, lol...the pre-cert on my mom's new insurance didn't go through until September and my work insurance refuses to cover surgery.  Honestly I think I got coverage through my mom's insurance because it is an NYS small group plan (yay Cuomo's order last year) and therefore is covered under NYS law, while I work for a fortune 500 company in CT that is self-insured, hence my personal plan is governed by federal ERISA legislation rather than CT legislation (CT is also better than fed, they have a statute on this just like NY).

Even more interesting to complicate the insurance matter, I managed to get an in-network coverage exception given the lack of GRS/SRS/whatever you wanna call it surgeons in the NY Metro area.  This means my insurance company may apply a network discount to Mcginn's fee, which means I may need to pay more than max out of pocket for my mother's plan ($6,350) as I signed paperwork stating she gets her whole fee regardless.  As for Lower Bucks and Liberty though, as they bill directly, they may only be entitled to whatever in-network rate the insurance company gives them rather than what Mcginn quoted in her paperwork!  But yet again, I don't know what the likelihood of my insurance company having a fee schedule for GCS is (no fee schedule=no network discount--I'm hoping)!

Also, some other matters.

A: I got a raging headache at a Yankee game last night, probs due to lack of hormones, finally feeling it.  Btdubs yanks beat white sox woo!
B: If I wasn't clear, Gaia House = Mcginn's new Bed and Breakfast.
C: I had to spend like 200 bucks on supplies for surgery including vitamins, pads, ensure, enemas, magnesium citrate, a high quality donut cushion (didn't want one of those inflatable pieces of junk) and more.  The room at the Gaia was also $200 a night, but yet again we got the best room.  In fact, because there's so little about the Gaia House online, let me post the info I got by email about it.  Pics are here.

QuoteIt was a pleasure to talk to you this afternoon. As I mentioned in our conversation, I've attached the following room pictures and one of our kitchen. Unfortunately, we don't have pictures yet of Room 3. Dr. McGinn has designed all of the rooms similarly so that by looking at the pictures of the other rooms, you'll get an idea of what room 3 looks like. They are all beautiful!

We are located in downtown New Hope along the Delaware River only a block or two from restaurants and boutique shops. Dr. McGinn's office, the Giant grocery store and Rite Aid are located in the same shopping center approximately 5 minutes from Gaia Guest House.

We have WiFi throughout the house. Each room has its own bathroom and a separate twin bed for an extra person. All rooms except Room 2 have fireplaces. A coffee bar, snacks, microwave and refrigerators are located on both levels just outside our guest rooms.

In addition, we provide breakfast entree choices made fresh each morning. We can accommodate vegetarian, vegan, gluten free or any other dietary needs. Guests may have breakfast at our kitchen table overlooking the river or request room service.

Dr. McGinn's Papillon Center gives each of her patients a 50% discounted room rate.  Please see below:

Grand Riverview, Room 1: Pictures 1-5 ($200/night; Queen bed; Steam shower; Balcony)
Riverview South, Room 2: Pictures 6-9 ($112.50/night; Full bed; Balcony)
Courtyard South, Room 3 ($142.50/night; Queen bed)
Canal North, Room 4: Pictures 10-12 ($112.50/night; Full bed; Garden level)
Canal South, Room 5: Pictures 13-16  ($175/night; Queen bed; Garden level)

Our guests find our house very peaceful and relaxing. We have abundant wildlife and a historic towpath that people walk, jog or bike for miles in either direction.

We hope to hear from you soon. Thank you for your consideration.


I'll keep ya'll posted, and thanks for the encouragement on the bowel prep.
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AnonyMs

Great photo's. Gaia house looks really nice.
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iKate

Congrats. She is on my short list as well, recommended by my therapist since she is relatively close.

I might start planning for this mid next year so I can get something in 2017.

2016 being an election year is going to be pretty busy for me.
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JLT1

Bowers has Oct 13 of this year open...  I cancelled.....

Jen
To move forward is to leave behind that which has become dear. It is a call into the wild, into becoming someone currently unknown to us. For most, it is a call too frightening and too challenging to heed. For some, it is a call to be more than we were capable of being, both now and in the future.
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Wynternight

I need to take a closer look at McGinn. She doesn't look like she's gotten into the assembly line mode like Bowers or Suporn. I want personalised care. I want to be the center of her universe whilst I'm under her care. If she can give me that then I'm sold.
Stooping down, dipping my wings, I came into the darkly-splendid abodes. There, in that formless abyss was I made a partaker of the Mysteries Averse. LIBER CORDIS CINCTI SERPENTE-11;4

HRT- 31 August, 2014
FT - 7 Sep, 2016
VFS- 19 October, 2016
FFS/BA - 28 Feb, 2018
SRS - 31 Oct 2018
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JLT1

Quote from: Wynternight on September 26, 2015, 01:59:55 AM
I need to take a closer look at McGinn. She doesn't look like she's gotten into the assembly line mode like Bowers or Suporn. I want personalised care. I want to be the center of her universe whilst I'm under her care. If she can give me that then I'm sold.
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Exactly why I chose McGinn.  So far, very impressed.....

Jen ]
To move forward is to leave behind that which has become dear. It is a call into the wild, into becoming someone currently unknown to us. For most, it is a call too frightening and too challenging to heed. For some, it is a call to be more than we were capable of being, both now and in the future.
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iKate


Quote from: Wynternight on September 26, 2015, 01:59:55 AM
I need to take a closer look at McGinn. She doesn't look like she's gotten into the assembly line mode like Bowers or Suporn. I want personalised care. I want to be the center of her universe whilst I'm under her care. If she can give me that then I'm sold.

Just one word of caution, with her your pay up front and ask insurance to reimburse, IIRC.
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JessieBirdie

An update:

The last two days on ensure and clear liquids have gone fine--but GOOD GRIEF, insurance has gotten more complex than expected.

So now that I have coverage, believe it or not I have to front more money than I originally anticipated (not that I can't do it, I have the credit and funds in my bank account to do it).

Basically, the $4,900 I quoted earlier for the hospital is apparently Lower Bucks' self-pay fee.  It is actually LOWER than what they bill insurance, even in-network.  They are billing insurance a much higher amount (probably more than 8k), and they want me to front my entire deductible.  The deductible on my family plan is $7,500 and only about $300 in expenses has been met on it this plan year so far (started Aug).  But get this, my family plan has a max individual out of pocket of $6,350. So I should only have to pay that max individual out of pocket, obviously.

So my mom and I were just on the phone with the hospital who got bad info from the provider services department of the insurance company lacking info about the max individual out of pocket.  We were finally able to convince them to take the $6,350 I owe after about 20 minutes worth of phone calls to them and insurance co, rather than ovepay them 7k+...sigh.

I really don't need this before surgery day.  And here I thought I wouldn't owe the hospital anything as I already paid Mcginn. Apparently not, and now I have to wait over a month for a ridiculously large reimbursement check from the insurance company (also reimbursement from the anesthesiologist apparently) after overpaying!  Sigh...

Otherwise I'm suprisingly emotionally stable right now, there was this young woman at Mcginn's clinic who was freaking out about her surgery the next day back in March.  I'm not feeling that way and am actually pretty calm (and believe me, I have a full grasp of what's going to happen, well as much of one as I could have given this is my first ever major surgery).  Magnesium starts in 30 min, wish me luck :D.
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Wynternight

Good luck and very best wishes!!
Stooping down, dipping my wings, I came into the darkly-splendid abodes. There, in that formless abyss was I made a partaker of the Mysteries Averse. LIBER CORDIS CINCTI SERPENTE-11;4

HRT- 31 August, 2014
FT - 7 Sep, 2016
VFS- 19 October, 2016
FFS/BA - 28 Feb, 2018
SRS - 31 Oct 2018
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