i am still puzzled at how low your voice must have been to still need a trained pitch elevated voice post op. I mean it must have been as low as the most low bass voices that exist - Barry White or something like that

But one thing should be considered always before surgery: Get a clear picture of where your voice realistically is. Some people claimed they have super low voices but the readings showed they are just in the average "male range" or even at the upper end of that - but of course, a woman will feel that it is super low - however in light of these surgeries and of voice training one had to work with objective numbers and the perception of others more than with ones own impression. So always let someone check up your voice before planning surgery

I never understood how low my voice was ether until I started working with it. In addition there was something different about it where it had a very confined range. Training my voce only gave me about a 40 Hz improvement. I never measured my male voice as I have forgot how to use it but I did get a pitch check for the lower usable pitch.
Lowest usable note 80Hz, male speaking voice was above that.
Mouth voice 130-196Hz
Falsetto voice 155-237Hz
Whistler voice 250-490Hz
That is my voice before surgery. There is no doubt about it. When they were passing out voices I was standing in the wrong line. I think I got this voice from my mothers father as he had one of the lowest voices I have heard. Post surgical my chest voice is around where my mouth voice used to be so while not great, I have something that is usable and far better than what I had before. I am happy your voices turned out so well, just a little disappointed that my options were so limited. Dr Haben did all that was possible with what he had to work with.
Back when I was in speech therapy, I worked with magnetic tape and I don't know if I ever recorded a before voice but I may have to see if I have one I didn't record over.

Edit I didn't remember who Barry White was so I listened to him sing. I think my voice was lower than that.

Quote from: Dena on September 25, 2015, 02:54:45 PM
Lowest usable note 80Hz, male speaking voice was above that.
Mouth voice 130-196Hz

Thats about the same stats that I had before the VFS actually! My lowest possible was 82 Hz and my by then regular voice was my mouth voice which Dr Kim measured to be 134 Hz.
I tried to do a male voice recording once and I believe it came close, the average frequency on it was 110 Hz.

This is low - very low, basically a bass or bass-baritone voice, but it is not extreme. So I would imagine that your voice is in that sense similar to mine, maybe a 100-110 Hz chest voice, (male range is 100-150 Hz, so its really the lower end, but not outside of it).

post op, I guess my normal (mouth) voice is about 180 Hz now - sometimes 175, sometimes 195 on average. I believe chest voice is rather broken - but I believe if I go to 130-150 Hz I still can do some chest voice and if I go down to 115 Hz there is probably chest resonance involved some more - but I kind of tried to unlearn doing chest resonance such a long time ago that I dont think I can do it properly and rather not do it, not to wake sleeping dogs...

QuoteBack when I was in speech therapy, I worked with magnetic tape and I don't know if I ever recorded a before voice but I may have to see if I have one I didn't record over.

That would be cool. I also have no recordings of a "male voice" of mine. I remember it was one of the lowest in school - comparing it to boys... To me this kind of justifies me getting the surgery since with it I am now at least in an alto female range, which is still low, but ok...

With voice therapy however, I managed to get a pretty great pitch range, so at least that was not an issue in my case, more a mental one of using the range I was able to access .

When I started voice therapy, my really bad mouth voice sounded incredibly high. One of the ways I fooled myself into thinking I had a passable voice all those years. If I had my grandfathers voice, it would have been 90 to 100 Hz because my grand fathers had one of the deepest male voices I have ever heard. My fathers voice what much higher, possibly in the 120-140hz range. My brothers voice was higher than my fathers voice and I sometimes suspected my brother wasn't speaking with a chest voice.

I suspect my voice was so different it is going to violate some of the rules of voice surgery because the last few days the pitch seems to be coming up. I am feeling a bit more pain and I thing the numbness is leaving the cords making it possible for the nerves to complain. Dr Haben said I would get 60Hz and might get 80Hz. Be nice if I got a little bit more

I have hit the 3 month mark and the @$%$#@% iPhone software broke so I couldn't email or text my voice sample off the thing. Finally found a way so before Dr Haben gets it, you get a shot at The Rainbow passage. The voice isn't breaking up as fast or bad but it is still breaking up as I use it. Healing has become noticeable in the last couple of weeks and it is getting better. I expected healing would be slower so I can't say I wasn't warned. My relaxed voice is a bit above 190 Hz and the sweet spot voice is 200 to 210. The sample is the sweet spot voice as that would be the voice I would use in public. The voice was fully rested at the start and goes down hill as the passage progresses.
http://vocaroo.com/i/s12MbLASk0nM

Dena, sounds quite good and clear to me. Around what time did the raspiness and breathiness go away for you?

I'm hearing some major improvements, Dena.  Good for you!

In the recording the voice was going down hill as I was speaking. You may not have heard it but I could sure feel it and I heard it through bone conduction. It's like your voice feels if you yell to much and then try to speak normally. It's a little like your voice needs to be cleared but there is nothing to clear. As for breathiness, my cords fit together pretty well and the voice was never breathy. Also the voice will hold up much better if I turn the volume way down which isn't an option for me in day to day life. A bit to much noise and far to many hearing aids in my life. I can get by with normal conversation volume levels but I keep water handy, try not to talk to much and the voice quality isn't the best yet. I suspect Dr Haben is going to want another sample at 6 months as I also haven't been able to work with the voice much. I can only hit the higher notes when the voice is fresh and at lower volume. You just can't get used to a new voice when you get less than a minute of practice every few hours.