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BBC documentary features trans as a development in the womb

Started by anjaq, September 26, 2015, 07:08:35 AM

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anjaq



This is part 2 of a BBC documentary on the development in the womb. In this part at the beginning and then again at about minute 38 there are very interesting sections on body and brain development regarding the two sexes and an explanation of the biological background of at least some of the cases of transsexuality.

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islandgirl

That was very good! I had not really paid attention to information on prenatal development before.
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Joi

A wonderful documentary.  I was aware of some of it  (the digit differences).  Just more positive re-enforcement for those of us struggling with "dysphoria"  WE are not broken.  Just different as are all individuals.  No need to struggle, just be you.  It's so gratifying and allows us peace and serenity.   


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HughE

Good find! However, I see they forgot to mention the fact that there are millions of people alive today who were exposed to high doses of testosterone-blocking drugs during the second and third trimesters of their prenatal development. I wonder if that has anything to do with the high rates of ->-bleeped-<- in recent years?

The majority of sources I've seen place the peak of prenatal testosterone production at 17 weeks after conception, not 15 weeks. However, in normal male development, it's produced throughout the pregnancy from about week 7 onwards, and there's a further surge of T production during the first few month of postnatal life too (after which the testicles go into a dormant state until puberty). Testosterone, not the Y chromosome, is the key factor that determines whether you develop as male or female, as research on animals, and certain medical conditions in human beings (such as AIS and Swyer's Syndrome), show. In the research on Rhesus monkeys, exposure to testosterone during the second half of the pregnancy induced masculinization of the brain, so presumably something similar applies in humans (and maybe we need some T production postnatally as well, because it takes so long for our large, complex brains to complete their development).

That figure of only 1 in 10,000 being trans considerably understates its true prevalence; there's a study Lynn Conway carried out in 2001 showing that at least 1 in 500 natal male US citizens are now living as women.
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anjaq

Yes, the documentary is not perfect in terms of science. Sex only is one small part of the documentary anyways. So they did not fit in all there is, but its a public and mainstream BBC documentary, so it will reach more people than the scientific papers ;)

I just finished reading a little review of the work of Günter Dörner  who did a lot of research on the development of sex and gender/sex identity and "mating behaviour" on rats and also looked at humans. There was a lot of additional information in it, much of it is known from his research since the 1970ies. He also looked at endocrine substances and also pesticides and their effect on child development in the womb. He worked out in more detail at what phase which part of the brain is affected by Estrogen and Testosterone and what the results are: Andro/Gynaephilia and as he calls it "Intersexuality of the Psyche" (badly translated). Apparently there are several key points where this can be affected.

Regarding the high numbers of Transgender people these days - I always am cautious about this - in my opinion this is not in all cases the same as transsexuality or "intersex of the psyche", but often it is what the name implies - "trans-gender", basically only saying that a person is assuming the gender role of the gender which is not what the person was assigned at birth. This can have a variety of reasons, motivations and causes. It includes all kinds of people and to claim a variance in the brain for all of them would be a risky hypothesis...

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