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Started by April_TO, October 06, 2015, 12:20:12 PM

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April_TO

Hi Everyone,

Over the last few days, I have been contemplating about my transition as I keep having doubts over the process especially in the area of relationship and living life as a woman.

I keep asking myself "to what end" or did I just made my life so complicated by being me...

A few people that I am very close to tells me that my progress has been great (1 year and 1 month on HRT). However, I cannot see the end of the tunnel and how my transition would play out 5 or 10 years from now.

I have been holding back in posting anything here as I think there's a lot more women on this site that deserves attention and support. However, any advice from anyone would be appreciated.

Hope everyone is doing well.

xoxo

April



Nothing ventured nothing gained
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Lynne

I can only speak for myself but maybe there will be a few things that ring a bell for you as well.

I ask myself the same question a lot of times because my transition seems to make my life so much harder in a lot of respects. There are so many obstacles to overcome and the result cannot be guaranteed.

There are days when I'm just so overwhelmed that I just push trans* things to the background because I would go mad otherwise. It is just too much to deal with.

And for a few days it works, it almost feels like that I don't really need to transition to be happy and as it causes a lot of problems anyway it would be best not to go on with it.

Then a few days pass and it comes back with a vengeance and I find myself almost crying just because somebody refers to me with male pronouns at work(which is normal because I did not come out yet) or because some parts of my body are not as feminine as I would like them to be(no HRT yet) or because I have to hide my feminine traits.
I am always quickly reminded by these things that I did choose to transition because that is the only way to have a chance at being genuinely happy in the future. I could probably survive but that does not equal full and happy life.

Thinking so far ahead in time when you are not in the best of moods can cause you to see endless problems ahead with no solutions and a life of agony where you always fight and never get what you wish. Sometimes it is just best to deal with things day by day and not worry about things that may or may not come.

I do this to at least have a chance to really live my life and not just exist.
Your signature is spot on I think:
QuoteNothing ventured nothing gained
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iKate

I have often pondered the same thing.

"WTF did I get myself into."

"I turned my whole life upside down, for what?"

"Oh no, you have 3 kids, you're going to royally screw them up."

However with dysphoria reduced to a low rumble rather than a dominating roar, other issues have manifested themselves and I begin to realize just how screwed up parts of my life are.

But at least I can live as myself now. Simple? Not really. It's a challenge every day. Sure, gender dysphoria is gone, but now I have to deal with being a woman. Or rather, something that resembles a woman, because there are people who will not treat me like a woman because I lack a uterus and ovaries (and a vagina, for now).

But today I got pretty much assaulted. Because I am a woman. Or probably because I am trans. But who knows?

But I do know that my health has improved, I am a much more cheerful person and I don't dread waking up every single day.

I have also found that I am my biggest critic at times. That's not good. I need to love myself more which is how I held on to him for so long.

Hugs babe.
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suzifrommd

Quote from: carmenkate on October 06, 2015, 12:20:12 PM
I have been holding back in posting anything here as I think there's a lot more women on this site that deserves attention and support. However, any advice from anyone would be appreciated.

Not at all. You are just as deserving of support.

I can't describe how much more natural it is to be myself. Yes, my life is far more complicated, but life isn't about convenience, it's about experience. I shudder to think I might have lived my whole life without knowing what it feels like to be authentically me.
Have you read my short story The Eve of Triumph?
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April_TO

Thank you - it definitely resonated in me :)
The slow and the steady wins the game - day by day it is.

Thanks again Lynne xoxo

Quote from: Lynne on October 06, 2015, 01:01:09 PM
I can only speak for myself but maybe there will be a few things that ring a bell for you as well.

I ask myself the same question a lot of times because my transition seems to make my life so much harder in a lot of respects. There are so many obstacles to overcome and the result cannot be guaranteed.

There are days when I'm just so overwhelmed that I just push trans* things to the background because I would go mad otherwise. It is just too much to deal with.

And for a few days it works, it almost feels like that I don't really need to transition to be happy and as it causes a lot of problems anyway it would be best not to go on with it.

Then a few days pass and it comes back with a vengeance and I find myself almost crying just because somebody refers to me with male pronouns at work(which is normal because I did not come out yet) or because some parts of my body are not as feminine as I would like them to be(no HRT yet) or because I have to hide my feminine traits.
I am always quickly reminded by these things that I did choose to transition because that is the only way to have a chance at being genuinely happy in the future. I could probably survive but that does not equal full and happy life.

Thinking so far ahead in time when you are not in the best of moods can cause you to see endless problems ahead with no solutions and a life of agony where you always fight and never get what you wish. Sometimes it is just best to deal with things day by day and not worry about things that may or may not come.

I do this to at least have a chance to really live my life and not just exist.
Your signature is spot on I think:
Nothing ventured nothing gained
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April_TO

Thank you my dear friend xoxo

It's so nice for someone to voice the same concerns you have - hugs.

April

Quote from: iKate on October 06, 2015, 01:37:13 PM
I have often pondered the same thing.

"WTF did I get myself into."

"I turned my whole life upside down, for what?"

"Oh no, you have 3 kids, you're going to royally screw them up."

However with dysphoria reduced to a low rumble rather than a dominating roar, other issues have manifested themselves and I begin to realize just how screwed up parts of my life are.

But at least I can live as myself now. Simple? Not really. It's a challenge every day. Sure, gender dysphoria is gone, but now I have to deal with being a woman. Or rather, something that resembles a woman, because there are people who will not treat me like a woman because I lack a uterus and ovaries (and a vagina, for now).

But today I got pretty much assaulted. Because I am a woman. Or probably because I am trans. But who knows?

But I do know that my health has improved, I am a much more cheerful person and I don't dread waking up every single day.

I have also found that I am my biggest critic at times. That's not good. I need to love myself more which is how I held on to him for so long.

Hugs babe.
Nothing ventured nothing gained
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stephaniec

the questioning for me is always getting less. it's always there , but each day forward it just turns into a distant whisper.
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Skeptoid

I just want to get FFS and be done with it so I can go back to reading books, watching movies, playing video games, and hanging out with friends like I did before. Maybe go back to school and get a physics degree. Transition is just too damn expensive.
"What do you think science is? There's nothing magical about science. It is simply a systematic way for carefully and thoroughly observing nature and using consistent logic to evaluate results. Which part of that exactly do you disagree with? Do you disagree with being thorough? Using careful observation? Being systematic? Or using consistent logic?" --Dr. Steven Novella
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Jacqueline

Quote from: Lynne on October 06, 2015, 01:01:09 PM

I am always quickly reminded by these things that I did choose to transition because that is the only way to have a chance at being genuinely happy in the future. I could probably survive but that does not equal full and happy life.

Great questions. I live with those myself. There is no end to the ability to beat up and hate myself as I have for years. Even in making my steps toward a better life, those negative elements curl back around and try to bite in all new ways. It's like a snake I can't quite kill. What used to be loathing is now doubt and near regret. But life is happening now, if I waste all the time when darkness tries to settle, I might miss some of the times when the sun is shining for us to dance.

I have started to find happiness and a calmness that has not existed before. I guess that is what I hold on to (or nearly strangle) on those darker days. I hope to be grooving if not dancing in the near future. I hope to see you there too.

With warmth,

Joanna
1st Therapy: February 2015
First Endo visit & HRT StartJanuary 29, 2016
Jacqueline from Joanna July 18, 2017
Full Time June 1, 2018





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Girl Beyond Doubt

When I decided to transition, I knew I did it for myself.
If I would have had to spend the rest of my life alone, I would have wanted to spend it as a woman, in spirit, mind and body.
I had to face and surmount great doubt quite a few times, but I have never had to regret the changes I have made.
The freedom to express my true self has brought me hope, happiness and a chance to tear down the wall.
It has been a shock and a surprise to everyone, including me, how profound the change both to my outward personality and my appreciation of close company has been.
Now there is another layer of happiness for me, the one caused by the greater number of much more positive interactions with all kinds of people around me. I would not have expected this, but I do not understand how I could ever live without this warm emotional contact. It has a tendency to foster deep friendship and to bring interesting people into my life.

Whatever happens, I will stick to my plan and transition for my own sake.
If the process makes me more attractive through my positivity, I will be quite ready to welcome another soul into my life.
If not, I will still have saved myself.
The worst loneliness is to not be comfortable with yourself - Mark Twain
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Squircle

I've had similar thoughts myself; transition is hard and a huge upheaval for many of us. I think during the first few years, when most of the work is done, it's only natural to wonder if all of the effort will be worth it.

Whenever I think like this though, I consider the alternatives, and I realise that I've started to forget what it felt like to get up and face the world every day as a guy, and how terrified I was of the future then. I doubt my life will ever be exactly what I want it to be, but at least I have a future of being the best version of me that I can be.

As far as relationships go, yes it's going to be difficult, as being trans does reduce the dating pool somewhat, but you never know what will happen in the future, or who you might meet. And I'd rather be single than in a relationship where I had to live a lie (ie trying to be a man).

It sounds like you have some good friends around you and they know you better than anyone, and the fact that they've seen a positive change in you shouldn't be taken lightly. Lean on them when you feel low, and post here because it's a support forum for everyone and your problems and issues are just as valid as anyone else's.
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warlockmaker

For me it was never going to be easy. It took 3 years of therapy before I took the bold step and started HRT. I kept it to myself for the first 10 months then felt I needed to talk about this to friends and family. When I did the support was overwhelming but this was what I call good intention support, the reality had not really hit them.

Maybe it's because I'm an older transitioners and have lived a life, in the eyes of society, as an outstanding male. Yet, always felt I was in a fishbowl looking out, and never felt fully part of living my life.  Yes, I had all the usual issues of always feeling I should be a female but being very logical and rational, found it hard to accept as I had created my own macho world.

Today,over 2.5 years on HRT and surgery set for January, I have no doubts that this is my intended journey in life. I look at being special with a chance to life 2 lives .

And, I have peace, I no longer feel I'm in a fishbowl and am experiencing life in action. That's why we give it time to make our decisions, before the surgeries I had to be absolutely sure
When we first start our journey the perception and moral values all dramatically change in wonderment. As we evolve further it all becomes normal again but the journey has changed us forever.

SRS January 21st,  2558 (Buddhist calander), 2015
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Cindy

I so feel the interminable drive to acceptance. No way could I be a happy woman, I'll always be the freak, I'll always be the....

Slowly, he disappeared, each step a milestone. No milestone was enough to kill the doubt.

We live a curse of needing to be ourselves and our psych torn apart by irrational feelings of how we present and act.

Sometimes I feel the pressure and sometimes I don't care and some times....


I had an interesting meeting a few weeks back. One of my ex PhD students came for a visit; she (H) is an ENT surgeon and my Lab Head (S) was with us, she runs my labs. S sees me every day and interacts everyday.

H made a comment, 'This is the first time we have been together since Peter transitioned'. S just jumped. 'Cindy is physically, emotionally and psychologically female - she is not Peter; she is Cindy.'

I was astonished by the depth of feeling in her response.

I was also quite amazed by how I agreed with her (although I said nothing). Peter is dead, to be honest typing his name in reference to myself seems dissociative.


It takes time. And the journey seems long. But it is a journey; nothing more.
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taylor_h

This is a really lovely thread on quite a deep topic

Some really wonderful comments in there.

We can't see the future, and we cant see all ends, who's to know what wonderful experiences and relationships are around the corner, wouldn't you like to meet them as yourself?

Taylor.
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Miss Clara

Gender transition is an incredibly complex and difficult process to take on.  We often set out on our journeys without fully understanding all the consequences, good and bad.  Does it really matter when the horror of living a lie becomes too much to bear?

It took me a long, long time to even recognize that I was transgender.  I had no reference against which to know who I was until just a few years ago.  Coming to that moment of understanding was the first real progress I'd made toward resolving my dysphoria.  But, the truth was so scary I couldn't imagine what it would mean if anyone found out.  I fought hard to contain the pressures within me, and to preserve what I thought was a decent, reasonably successful life. 

Eventually, I could no longer cope with those voices deep in my soul that cried out for honest expression.  I reluctantly began to accept that I was transgender; that I could not change the reality of it.  But, what did acceptance mean for my place in the world?  I struggled with that question for a couple of years until I decided to come out to my spouse.   With her support I began to allow my inner woman some freedom. 

That moment of self-acceptance marked the beginning of a new phase that would lead to my gender transition with no end in sight, and very little to guide me except the stories of others who've gone ahead of me.  Still, the decision seemed to be right for me.  It felt like a huge weight had suddenly been lifted from my shoulders, and I felt a sense of well-being that I had never experienced before. 

The positive feelings that self-acceptance engendered encouraged me to go on despite all kinds of uncertainty, fears, and known obstacles.  I would ask myself where is this all going to end up?  Is this real, or am I living out a fantasy?  What will happen to all those who depend on me for love and support? 

I concluded that none of us can really know the future, it's not just those of us who transition.  It really comes down to what you make of your life given the hand you are dealt.  Every time I considered the risks of going forward, I'd consider the reality of going back to my old life.  I couldn't do it.  Returning to who I was, or pretended to be, was not an option for me.  I had to manage the risks of moving on as best I could. 

The question: "To what end" was constantly on my mind.  And it should be.  I've always been a goal oriented person.  For me, it is critically important to see through the fog to what's down the road, and prepare for whatever is my destiny. 

I'm past the acceptance phase of my transition as of today, and I've entered the phase in which I'm becoming myself as myself, not from the perspective of who I once was.  For me the 'end' is simply waking up each morning and not thinking about gender.  I'll just face each new day with the knowledge, the wisdom, the talents, the skills, and the temperament that characterize who I am not the persona I once was.  Life will still be a challenge.  Life will continue to throw curve balls and set traps that I will often step on, but I will face it those moments as my true self without the energy sapping efforts it takes to maintain the defenses against knowing the real me. 

Let me flip the question around:  To what end do you go on lying to yourself and to others about who you are?  That question may be easier to answer, but is it one you, yourself, can accept?  I don't think one can ever be happy if they are not true to themselves.
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Emileeeee

I'm right in the beginning of my transition, but I'm already starting to run into things where I wonder if it's really worth it. It's mainly the financial issues that arise that make me question whether it's worth it though. The other things are just minor inconveniences.

The bad:
1. Autoshops no longer take me seriously and in fact the prices for everything seem to have doubled or tripled.
2. It's harder to get someone to take my money for rent, like they think I'm not masculine enough to be able to afford it.
3. People talk to me like I'm a child.
4. People checking me out, then giving me scary looks when I get close enough that they start to question my gender.
5. Not knowing which frickin bathroom is the safe one.
6. Going to the store just before closing and parking in the middle of nowhere no longer feels safe.

The good:
1. Random people actually running to hold the door for me
2. Being able actually wear what I like and even buy it too
3. Seeing myself in the mirror
4. Not feeling like an idiot when I go get my hair done, pedis and manis, etc.
5. Not being treated like a guy (which ironically is also one of the bad ones).

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April_TO

Thank you everyone for all the wonderful responses. I've never been so blessed getting all the feedback.

You ladies made my day.

Love,

April xo
Nothing ventured nothing gained
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Mariah

To what End, what a wonderful question April. For me I always knew what I wanted to accomplish and how I felt yet I have always let how I felt guide me through the world in relation to everything. Like you I have been HRT Almost 13 months now and it has made changes that I didn't even realize until I go back looking through photos and seeing how much happier and content I am. For me I know that I have one way of knowings where 5 or even 10 years will take me, but I do know the following. I'm living and not just existing no matter what happens down the road. I hope that my relationship with my boyfriends leads somewhere bigger and better in that time, but who knows. I thought in September of 2016 thanks to having to sign my deed of my house over to myself that I had signed my old name Michael for the last time. I was proven wrong a few days ago thanks to a settlement related to work several years I had to sign a check over to myself using the same method. A much neater and gentler signature of even my old name. It shows how much more relaxed and easy going I am. The disconnect between who I was and who I am is startling I must say. In the past, I had always felt stealth was the way and only way to go for me yet even the other day I didn't care that  someone knew. I instead used it as a teaching moment to help future generations take care of us better. Other than SRS and lots more electro I'm done transitioning. Michael is long since buried and isn't coming back. I don't even relate to the person in those pictures anymore and haven't for a good while. I know I have months if not a few years more of hair removal thanks to laser not being as effective as I hoped. The key is to be you and let the future take care of itself. We have no way of knowing where we are going to be in that time period does and that is true of CIS folks too. My advice is live and be you and enjoy every moment of it that you can as always. Hugs
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