Men need women.
A bachelor or widower needs his mother.
That's all there is to it.
Men need women.

Your thoughts?

Agreed.  It's that simple.

Wing Walker

Wouldn't gay guys disagree?

Quote from: Nero on December 15, 2007, 10:14:02 PM
Men need women.
A bachelor or widower needs his mother.
That's all there is to it.
Men need women.

Your thoughts?

I agree. I don't think orientation matters a whole lot to what you're saying, Nero.

Quote from: Kimberly on December 15, 2007, 11:15:10 PM
Wouldn't gay guys disagree?

I think they would still need relationships with women in some form - their mother or girlfriends.
Maybe not. But I think women have something men lack and need in their lives.

Quote from: Nichole W. on December 15, 2007, 11:36:59 PM

Quote from: Nero on December 15, 2007, 10:14:02 PM
Men need women.
A bachelor or widower needs his mother.
That's all there is to it.
Men need women.

Your thoughts?

I agree. I don't think orientation matters a whole lot to what you're saying, Nero.

I beg to differ.  This little diddy is incredibly heteronormative.  I'm straight myself, but I know how much statements like these drive my queer friends nuts.

Quote from: Marlene on December 16, 2007, 01:48:43 AM

Quote from: Nichole W. on December 15, 2007, 11:36:59 PM

Quote from: Nero on December 15, 2007, 10:14:02 PM
Men need women.
A bachelor or widower needs his mother.
That's all there is to it.
Men need women.

Your thoughts?

I agree. I don't think orientation matters a whole lot to what you're saying, Nero.

I beg to differ.  This little diddy is incredibly heteronormative.  I'm straight myself, but I know how much statements like these drive my queer friends nuts.

Hi Marlene.

This wasn't at all meant as a homophobic sentiment. It was just a thought I had about how lost I would be without my mother and how the ladies here are almost like stand-ins for the sisters I miss so much. I do think all men need some form of relationships with women.

I guess they do need women, wife, girlfriend, mother... maybe even a daughter count?

Quote from: Nero on December 16, 2007, 02:04:03 AMHi Marlene.

This wasn't at all meant as a homophobic sentiment. It was just a thought I had about how lost I would be without my mother and how the ladies here are almost like stand-ins for the sisters I miss so much. I do think all men need some form of relationships with women.

I'm sorry, but you misunderstand.  The problem isn't one of homophobia, it's one of assumption.  You assume everyone should relate to your (heteronormative) experience.  As a result a queer person feels left out, or worse, snubbed.  Don't take this as being critical.  Society in general makes lots of assumptions and tends to marginalize people who don't fit in.  But when it comes to sexuality this marginalization can happen without you knowing it because you can't tell if someones gay/lesbian by looking at them.  Approximately 90% of people are hetero and as a result most people assume that other people they meet are too.  This invariably leads to the other 10% feelings being trampled on pretty consistently.  Just be aware that your assumptions can sometimes be wrong.

Sorry for the rant, but I hear about it A LOT from certain friends.

Women are like flowers and the world needs flowers, so yes, except for my mean neighbor lady shes a dandelion.  Personally I could live in a world without men and never miss them.  But I dont live in that kind of world and I do enjoy the interaction I have with the men I know... sometimes.. for very short periods of time.. like say.... minutes. I know I know Im intolerant!! I cant help it!!

Marlene, everybody assume's that everybody's like them
and cannot put themselves in another's position. That's
why empathy is so lacking.

My uncle's gay and you can't believe how often he tried
to convince me I'm gay, even after I've explained to
him 100 times that I'm not. I've known plenty of
gays, stayed awhile with him in Miami,
and most of those I've met
hink that there are way more
gay in society than 5% (or whatever's the
popular percentage of the day).
They're understanding of TS is very very skewed.

Men definately need women. Plain and simple.

Quote from: Marlene on December 16, 2007, 02:44:51 AM

Just be aware that your assumptions can sometimes be wrong.

Oh that hardly happens on these boards   You put it perfectly.  Your assumptions can sometimes be wrong.  If we just learned to respect everybodys opinion without throwing a tantrum everytime we disagree with them, life would be so much simpler.  Holly Macaroni!

hi ..... Pia ....some thing you said how long ago did you ...feel ...that way about men did you not get on in the acceapted way of men just being who they are or was it from a very young age please comment some how it rings a bell....         nero ....tell me what you think women have that men dont    interesting comment ..i would like to know more on this please..... noeleena

Quote from: Butterfly on December 16, 2007, 05:19:34 AM
If we just learned to respect everybodys opinion without throwing a tantrum everytime we disagree with them, life would be so much simpler.  Holly Macaroni!

Hee hee. hee.  How true! but the way I see it, it isn't happening..
Men are more needy. They need us so much more than we will ever need them. Women tend to have more friends and be more self-sufficient; we are happy to spend time in our own company, while men get bored and lonely if left on their own. 

We all need each other, men need women, women need men, men need other men and women need other women.

It a social thing.......

Rebecca

Quote from: Butterfly on December 16, 2007, 05:19:34 AM
Men definately need women. Plain and simple.

Quote from: Marlene on December 16, 2007, 02:44:51 AM

Just be aware that your assumptions can sometimes be wrong.

Oh that hardly happens on these boards   You put it perfectly.  Your assumptions can sometimes be wrong.  If we just learned to respect everybodys opinion without throwing a tantrum everytime we disagree with them, life would be so much simpler.  Holly Macaroni!

This is another trait of a group in a large majority: They deny a probelm (such as the one I mention) even exists!  Open your minds people.  "Whipping Girl" by Julia Serrano explains this phenomenon well.  Unfortunately the messenger (like me) is often dismissed or heckled ("Tantrum") because you don't want to hear the truth.

Keira: We can't put ourselves in somebody elses shoes, but we can at acknowledge there is more than one path, one interpretation.

Dismissing someone, without giving what they are saying any thought, is the same as what many non's do to us when we come out.  It's the same phenomenon.

Marlene, you talk about many paths and you also talk about people not wanting
to hear the truth... Contradictory hey. Truth is a viewpoint based assessment.

So, that's your truth, not an universal truth. There are very
few things all people will agree is true, at best we can reach concensus amongst
some people which share a common background.

When we move away from commonality, consensus becomes very very hard
and any notion of common truth impossible. Why do you think
there's so much problem in the world.

Look at the problem getting an agreement on Global warming when the
end result will be catastrophic for all. Many are not talking the same "language"
and I'm not talking chinese or english here.

From what I've heard of Serano's book, and I've heard plenty here,
this is not truth as I see it. And don't tell me to read it because
I DON'T HAVE THE TIME OR THE INCLINATION.
That's why there are reviews and word of mouth.
At most, I can try to understand why you think it is truth
(your point of view) and maybe incorporates some bribes I find interesting. I NEVER
accept things wholesale, especially coming from a book. There's no book that
corners truth, its too fleeting an animal.

Contrasts are good, needs are something else.

Re: Men need women

Not proven.....and what about christians like Cliff Richard and guys like him. He's not gay and doesn't need a partner?

I also know a guy who hasn't been with a women for about 20 years and he's not gay and he's not bothered or worried about finding a women........

it's stereotyping again..

*sigh*

Marlene and Berliegh:

This post was not about sexual orientation or significant others at all.
I believe that every man needs at least some form of relationship with women to be fulfilled. Be it a mother, sister, daughter, grand daughter, or friend.
This is my opinion and was not meant in a sexual context at all, let alone a homophobic one.
Good grief!