Hi everyone,

I am new to this site.

Before I ask my question, let me tell you a little bit about myself. I am currently a pre-op male-to-female transsexual woman and currently not on hormones yet. I would like to have biological children in the future, and I do not have enough money to freeze my sperm.

If I tell my doctor that I want biological children, will he not let me take hormones?

Can I still transition without using hormones and only focus on having surgeries?

-Lindsay

What kind of surgery were you thinking about?

You can't have SRS without being on hormones or recommendation from a psych and therapist. Besides your sperm generators will be removed once you go under the knife.

Facial feminization surgery maybe.

Voice feminization? Probably.

What else?

Problem with this is for srs (depend wich doctor) you need to be on hormones for 2 year.
For better result with ffs, you need to be on hrt for at least 1 year.

And out of curiousity, how will you afford surgeries if you cant afford sperm bank?

For hormone prescription you will probably need reference from a specialist and i doubt that person will accept to give you that letter if you hesitate on having a biological child.

Quote from: pink_cotton on October 14, 2015, 10:11:59 PM
Hi everyone,

I am new to this site.

Before I ask my question, let me tell you a little bit about myself. I am currently a pre-op male-to-female transsexual woman and currently not on hormones yet. I would like to have biological children in the future, and I do not have enough money to freeze my sperm.

If I tell my doctor that I want biological children, will he not let me take hormones?

Can I still transition without using hormones and only focus on having surgeries?

-Lindsay

You could have a look here:
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,195920.msg1744753.html#msg1744753

Usually not many people, even medically educated, are deeply educated in the subject.
Its explained in the article.

All at your own risk since there are no guarantees...
after being on hormones for a few years, there were people going off hormones for a few months and being able to produce offspring.

Its basically up to you. You might talk this through with a good gender therapist.
And there might be counseling from plannedparenthood or a lgbt center.
You might also look here:
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,162888.msg1400316.html#msg1400316

You can transition with or without hormones but with hormones its supposed to be a much better result.
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,196114.msg1746140.html#msg1746140

Given some time some surgeries might be unnecessary.
For example ffs or a ba.

After having an srs or an orchi less hormones and no anti androgens are usually necessary.
But sperm producing parts would be removed then.
(Unless there is a special procedure where testes are left in place, there are very rare wishes of persons to do so.)

Thanks for the replies everyone.

Quote from: iKate on October 14, 2015, 10:30:52 PM
What kind of surgery were you thinking about?

What else?

I plan on having breast augmentation, FFS and a trachea shave.

Quote from: archlord on October 14, 2015, 10:34:10 PM

And out of curiousity, how will you afford surgeries if you cant afford sperm bank?

To afford this, I plan on having the surgeries in a foreign country.

Quote from: pink_cotton on October 15, 2015, 09:58:06 PM
To afford this, I plan on having the surgeries in a foreign country.

You can't afford sperm banking, but you can afford world travel and hotels in a foreign country plus the cost of the surgeries? I am really lost on this one?? Have you even seen a therapist for gender issue's? My opinion is you need to slow way down and go about this the right way. HRT will have to come into the picture and is recommended you be on it at least one year before Breast Augmentation. If you desire SRS you have to be on HRT and live one year full time as a female. Then you need two letters for SRS surgery itself.

Quote from: pink_cotton on October 15, 2015, 09:58:06 PM
I plan on having breast augmentation, FFS and a trachea shave.

Have you priced these yet? You are in for a shock if not. 

Yeah FFS can easily run tens of thousands

Quote from: iKate on October 16, 2015, 03:03:19 PM
Yeah FFS can easily run tens of thousands

Unless its done with a rhinoplasty and a trach shave 

Quote from: Laura_7 on October 16, 2015, 03:07:31 PM
Unless its done with a rhinoplasty and a trach shave 

Um, still in the thousands and not covered under most insurance as it is deemed elective.

Quote from: Jessica Merriman on October 16, 2015, 03:29:38 PM
Um, still in the thousands and not covered under most insurance as it is deemed elective.

Well many people do without ffs at all... months of hrt might do...
and I read 30 percent of women have an adams apple so a trach shave might not be absolutely necessary 
Well... its up to each person...

*hugs*

If you think surgery is expensive you should see what children cost...

Anyway, I'd say its not too hard to get breast augmentation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Zembic

And the big problem with SRS is not the letters or money, although that's hard enough, but having children afterwards without freezing sperm. That would seem to be impossible at the moment.

Quote from: pink_cotton on October 15, 2015, 09:58:06 PM
To afford this, I plan on having the surgeries in a foreign country.

I'm a little worried about this ... Not sure what country you live in, but I've seen/heard way too many horror stories of people going to a different country for cheaper surgeries - Pretty much any show that goes into fixing plastic surgeries generally happen due to going to cheaper clinics outside of the US.

Not to mention all the different policies for medical procedures and standards of care.  Yikes.

Very scary.

I would say, start saving your money to bank your sperm, and then start HRT.  Just my opinion.

Side question, how much does it generally cost to bank your sperm (I know it can probably vary), is it like a one-time fee, or do they charge monthly for however long it's stored?

- Kaylee

Quote from: pink_cotton on October 15, 2015, 09:58:06 PM
Thanks for the replies everyone.

I plan on having breast augmentation, FFS and a trachea shave.

To afford this, I plan on having the surgeries in a foreign country.

A trach shave, no problems.. FFS, even in a foreign country is still going to be a very expensive exercise.. As for a BA on a male chest, that's almost certainly going to look faker than a pic of the Pope at a Pride March..

Quote from: kelly_aus on October 16, 2015, 09:27:25 PM
A trach shave, no problems.. FFS, even in a foreign country is still going to be a very expensive exercise..

Well I'd say it depends. If a rhinoplasty is enough for example... the nose is a very decsisive part of the face...

Quote
As for a BA on a male chest, that's almost certainly going to look fake ...

Well there are also cis females who have few development.
And there are quite a few mtf people who have few development too.
Imo it should be waited for some time what results hrt has... and some people for example switched to injections or implants and had more of a result...

Quote from: Jessica Merriman on October 16, 2015, 12:09:27 AM
You can't afford sperm banking, but you can afford world travel and hotels in a foreign country plus the cost of the surgeries? I am really lost on this one?? Have you even seen a therapist for gender issue's? My opinion is you need to slow way down and go about this the right way. HRT will have to come into the picture and is recommended you be on it at least one year before Breast Augmentation. If you desire SRS you have to be on HRT and live one year full time as a female. Then you need two letters for SRS surgery itself.

Yes, I am seeing a therapist about my gender issues. He is getting ready to prescribe hormones for me. I have been living full-time as a woman for 1 year now.

Quote from: Jessica Merriman on October 16, 2015, 12:13:17 AM
Have you priced these yet? You are in for a shock if not. 

I found a doctor in Mexico who would only charge me $5000 for breast augmentation, FFS and a trachea shave.

Banking my sperm will cost me $3000 in Canada.

Cheap doesn't always equal quality, and safe, especially in Mexico.  Most botched jobs come from Mexico.  They cut corners.  They tell you one thing, but when you are under do something else.  I would personally save up the money and do it at a reputable surgeon in the US, but that's just me.

This could also just be an issue you shouldn't worry about. I can only speak for myself here, but I think it's better to first take care of yourself. If you have real transgender feelings, then hormones should be the right choice for you, and not being able to produce offspring should only be a minor side-effect compared to the happiness you feel as a result of becoming / being yourself.

I know that this is a strong urge that most people born male feel. I felt them too. The urge to reproduce is natural and it's completely normal. It's always a comforting thought to think that your offspring will carry your genes. But at the end of the day, you have to think of the reality of the situation here; your genes are not that special in this world. Mine aren't either. I know I might sound like a complete downer saying this, but I think it's a harsh truth that not many people realize. There are seven billion people (!) on this planet, so the idea that your genes really add that much in the grand scheme of things is just a comforting fairy-tail in my opinion.

I think it is much more noble to educate and help the people that already here on the planet, instead of contributing to the increasing problem of overpopulation. But again this is just my opinion, and I hope it helps you cope with not being able to have biological children. In the end, it is you as an individual that matters.

I appreciate everyone's honesty.

I would like to have biological children because my father died several weeks ago and I am an only child. I would like a piece of my father to continue in this world through my children.

If I tell my doctor that I want biological children, will he not prescribe for me hormones?

No, he will not place you on hormones if you divulge that you desire offspring.  Have you told the therapist you are seeing these feelings?  And yet they still will write a letter??