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Why can't we thrive as our birth sex?

Started by Nero, December 15, 2007, 07:04:06 PM

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Nero

Good evening, guys and dolls.

Why can't we thrive as our birth sex?

Why can't we summon the courage, strength and self-love to accept ourselves in the bodies and roles to which we were born?

Are we weak people?

Do we lack strength?

Do we lack self-love?

Do we lack courage?

Why can't we just accept the cards we were dealt?


My personal stuff:

Why couldn't I just be a normal little girl?

Why did I have to be different?

Did I lack the strength needed to assimilate?

Am I weak?

Am I lacking in character?

In personality?

I was born a girl. Why couldn't I just pull the strength from my bowels to be normal?

Would a stronger person have been able to cope?

Been able to assimilate?
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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Joyce

Boy, I've asked myself these questions on and off throughout my life.  Even though I don't think I know anything for certain, I get a great deal of comfort from memoirs, blogs, discussion groups like this one, personal conversations with T-folk -- and what I have found (as you all have probably found) is an unusual commonality to our stories, a statistically unlikely coincidence that pushes us towards a place we don't necessarily want to go.  At some point, I realized that I can't be all that weak, self-loathing, and un-self-accepting if virtually every other person in a similar situation has felt the same things.  I figured there must be something biological, chromosomal, hormonal, or what-have-you that exists above the social; whatever it is, I have ceased to hate myself for my trans-nature and have worked very hard at self-understanding and self-acceptance. 

I guess the answer to your question, Nero, is that we can't thrive as our birth sex because there's something preventing it, and it's something much bigger than the individual.  It's not much, but that's all I've got.
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SarahFaceDoom

Quote from: Nero on December 15, 2007, 07:04:06 PM

Why can't we summon the courage, strength and self-love to accept ourselves in the bodies and roles to which we were born?

Are we weak people?

Do we lack strength?

Do we lack self-love?

Do we lack courage?


Just throwing this out there, but I would say that it takes more courage to transition and live in a gender opposite to your birth sex than it would be to stay.  You put yourself in a very vulnerable position to try and achieve something which may not even happen to your ideal.  How is that not courage?  How could you do something like that without strength?
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annajasmine

I have say to their is some of the most courageous people on this board. It would be easier not to face these issues and hide from them. Be true to what are on the inside is not weak it is taking everything I have emotionally and risking loss of love ones take this path is not weak nor cowardly. And in poker there is usually a draw after deal and I'm not standing pat. I don't believe that are bodies and roles are linked sometimes they differ. I myself the your questions everyday and too be honest I never felt more like myself than I do now. Wasted part of my life being a poor actor and always sticking out no matter how my performance.

Take Care,
Anna
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Marlene

Quote from: Nero on December 15, 2007, 07:04:06 PM
Good evening, guys and dolls.

Why can't we thrive as our birth sex?

Maybe because we were born neurologically intersexed?  This is an overly simplified analogy but:

I have an OSX operating system, but was born with a PC body.  No wonder things didn't run properly!  Now that both are in alignment productivity is through the roof.

Brain-body mismatch.  Fix that and life usually improves, sometimes phenomenally so.


my 2ยข
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Joyce

Quote from: annajasmine on December 15, 2007, 07:33:24 PM
I have say to their is some of the most courageous people on this board. It would be easier not to face these issues and hide from them. Be true to what are on the inside is not weak it is taking everything I have emotionally and risking loss of love ones take this path is not weak nor cowardly.

I would agree with you, Anna.  I have never felt more in the presence of courage than among y'all.  I draw a good measure of my own courage from you, along with my wife.  It would be a hell of a lot easier not to face these issues, darn straight about that, Anna.

Thanks for your observation.
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Wing Walker

One can't wear a left-handed glove on on the right hand.  If one forces the fit, it still is nothing comparable to the right glove on the right hand.  One can summon all of the courage, perseverance, bravery, steadfastness, and guts possible to wear the left-handed glove on the right hand, that glove is still a poor fit.

If one puts the correct glove on the correct hand it works much better.

I ain't too smart but it works that way for me.

Wing Walker

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Jeannette

It takes more sheer guts to us than so called normal can even begin to understand. First there is nothing wrong with you. Your brain is wired male in a female body; it's a tough one but most of us are wonderful, brave, intelligent, and creative people.
You can learn to accept who you are through being honest with yourself and not judging yourself by the way others appear to judge you. It's not just the biased and prejudiced people whose judgments you need to discount, but the people who pretend to sympathize with you. :)
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Sarah

Uhh,
you're getting into spirituality here.

That question: "why are we born unsatisfied in life?"
Is the main reason people go into religion.

Psychology doesn't give answers that satisfy the question and truly set it to rest.

This is the basic reason Buddhists look at the "way we usually do things" as unhelpful.
Being:

"If we have none, we want some. If we have some, we want more. If we have lots, we're afraid of loosing it!"

This is how "we usually do things" and is the cause of most of our suffering from a Buddhist perspective.
This is why the first of the Four Noble Truths is "Suffering is Exists, and is intrinsic to existance"
It is unavoidable. accepting that, we can move on to the cause and then the means to end it.
From our perspective, it is not the discomfort that is the problem/cause, but the avoidance of it and clinging to somthing else.
Be that ideas, ideals, wants, likes, dislikes, perceived rights, etc.

There is a saying "with the ideal, comes the actual".
Ideals are great, as goals, or visions of what we want or even destinations on a roadmap.

As a description of what actually IS. They are very lousy.

Ideals are sort of delusional, in that, they do not represent actual, current reality as it is right now.
Which is not a problem, accept when we start to insist that things are "unfair" or "should" be different.
It doesn't matter what we think they should be.
They are as they are.
And when we fight reality as it is presented to us, in our heads, we get: Frustration, Sadness, Anger, Delusion, Greed, etc.
We do it to ourselves.
This is why they say "all acceptance brings peace" or "all acceptance is the key to the gateless gate"
It is.
This is also why monks bow.
It's an act of acceptance.

This is also why I do not worry when people say things like "Transgendered people do not exist, it is a lifestyle choice"
No it isn't. That is reality. I know this because I have experienced it.
And sooner or later their energy for that kind of thing will run out, because it is: "Limited, mortal Human energy" vs. "Infinite Reality"
Infinity has all the time in the world! Humans die.
So I don't worry about whether or not they will succeed.
In the long run they can't. It just isn't possible.

This is also why I don't believe in evil.
In the long run "as things actually are" prevails.

I don't know if this helps or not.
But it was a philisophical/spiritual question so I gave you a philisophical/spiritual answer.

Love
-Sarah

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Dorothy

Normalcy is the refuge of the frightened.  If you have been forced beyond normalcy by circumstances beyond your control, take this as an opportunity to surpass them. No, we are not normal in the conventional sense;  being trans makes us unusual. And this is not a bad thing. It can be a painful thing, a difficult and sometimes terrifying thing, but its not bad in and of itself.

If you believe in such things as predistination, a purpose for the conditions of ones birth, to be trans is not a mistake and to transition is not a failure! If ones conditions at birth or before birth are preordained, whos to say that transition is not part of this preordained intention?
I am a better person, because I had to go through this. I couldnt function as a man. I was a basket case. Moreover, had I been born physically female, I'm rather afraid I would have been an iced bitch. My religious beliefs might easily have led me to become a homophobic, fundamentalist douchbag.

You are not weak. You are not lacking in strength or personality. You couldnt be a normal little girl, because that was not what was intended for you. Your courage and character grow with your ability to cope with this, to forge a life for yourself despite the difficulties this situation presents you with.

You are still alive now.  That in and of itself puts you ahead of many people of more than average strength and courage, who still couldnt endure the pain and pressure of life as a trans person. You have strength, and character, and courage. Dont waste them on worrying about being normal or of assimilating. Use them for real goals, for things that matter. :)
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Valentina

Simple, it's your brain's fault. It tells you one thing but your body tells you another. Your mind is who you are, Being anything else is just hard and not possible if you want to be happy. Think of it this way. If your mind told you you were a person, a human, and you suddenly woke up as a cow. It might be fun for a while but soon you would be trapped, bored and in pain. Every milking would be a little slice of hell. Grass would make you gag. Its not that being a cow is bad, its just not who you are.  Poor analogy, I know but oh well.

Furthermore, you're not weak. you're stronger than a lot of other guys out there. So what if you were born female? That makes no difference to your strength. You shouldn't fall into the trap that allows your life to be played through as a lie. It's like telling a guy to only stick with girls even if he loves another guy.  It can't be done.
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Rachael

Tbh, the only think i wonder, is am i right?
why wouldnt i last as a boy? i dont know honestly... i just KNOW it was wrong, theres no weakness, others cope because its correct, i simply got crap luck on a genetic level... no point crying over spilt milk imo... I have to be strong, or i risk becoming what critics make us out to be...
R :police:
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Berliegh

Re: Why can't we thrive as our birth sex?

I personally just rejected it.....and from early on it was hard to me to function that way..
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Blanche

You have nothing to be ashamed of, being transsexual. You have nothing to feel guilty or inadequate about. You don't need to summon the courage to "fit in", because you have summoned the courage to accept who you are in the face of the great difficulty we experience in our society. You are incredibly strong and should be proud of yourself.
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bethzerosix

Why can't we thrive as our birth sex?

i dont think that we are meant to. i believe that there is a soul and a body. the soul is immortal whereas the body will pass. i read this "book" that says that we will get new bodies in due time.... ones that match our souls.  the real struggle is the internal.... accepting who we are(women for mtf... men for ftm). i have had a lot of pain in my life because of being born into a male body...  but it has taught me to be kind, caring, and compassionate. it has actually brought me closer to God. i have been able to do and learn many valuable things because people perceived me as a male. if i were born female i would probably have  been a whore/ gold digger or  worse. i have been forced to see peoples hearts not their bodies.  it has taken a long time,but i have made peace with my boy hood  and man hood... i have learned a lot through it all... but i am happy to finally be moving in the direction of my heart.

i  guess it is kind of like going to school. when i first started it was horrible and terrifying.... i pretty much hated every day that i had to go. k-12. but i found my best friend there and i learned so many valuable things.... i wouldnt do it over ever... but it was worth doing once. ;D
Set me as a seal upon thine heart, as a seal upon thine arm: for love is strong as death; jealousy is cruel as the grave: the coals thereof are coals of fire, which hath a most vehement flame.
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TheBattler

 :'(  :'(  :'(  :'(

I do not know why I am sad and depressed. I have a good life and good friends. I should be able to live as a male - but the constant struggle just takes the energy needed for life.

I still wish I could live as a man. I have never hated the male life - but being female would a such a better fit that the need to try it is overwelming.

I have heard you need to be 100% comitted before starting HRT. Only half my heart is in it - wanting to continue this path to get over the suffering. The other half is scared and wants to stay as I currently am - I healthy male body.

I am never going to be 100% commited to the process till after HRT. I feel this next 7 weeks are going to be long and I do not wish next year to come along.

:'( 

Alice

PS - if anyone has found another way out of GID please tell me.

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cindybc

Hi all
Now unless someone has come out with a pill to stop GID. When I was younger like before I ever heard of GID TS etc. The closest I had for an example was travestites and I only knew I didn't want that. It literally felt like Possession by demons. Then I begin to think I am setting on a rocket sled to suicide. I been there or at least looked at death right in the eyes and dared it. For me it was just the matter of making up my mind and keeping it made up, because if I didn't really like the other alternative with the rocket sled. I believe that for me the worst part of the journey was to set sail. Once I set sail there was no going back.

I have been 7 years full time as Cindy now and I was and still am surprised by the smooth riding so far. I really have no way of knowing if I been clocked or not I have not received any feed back from anyone about it. Might be that they do but just shrug their shoulders and keep walking. And I am addressed by the pronouns Miss. Mrs, Ma'am, etc.

I believe that attitude is probably the biggest asset one can have and behave feel and think as a woman, voice also is a big help for passing.

Cindy
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Nero

Quote from: cindybc on December 17, 2007, 02:30:30 AM
Hi all
Now unless someone has come out with a pill to stop GID then I think one is setting on a rocket sled to suicide. 

I agree. But why? Why is it so difficult to live in the birth sex?
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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cindybc

Hi Nero hon
I am not certain about that, except that it is all in our heads because if it weren't we would be taking our shoes off to think. But GID is a certainly and truly strange and bafling phenomenon. As someone has already said here is that we need to truly be strong spirited persons in order to survre the stresses of coming out and be themselves find peace within and sticking with it afterwards.

Ask whatever you may hon, I'll be around.

Cindy 
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tinkerbell

You are the brave one!  :). It takes way more courage to know who you are. Who says you're not normal?  You are as normal as anyone else on this planet, Nero.

QuoteWhy did I have to be different?

No reason I can think of, I just am. All I know is that we don't have a "choice". Could I have pulled the strength "from my bowels" to be "normal" or "assimilate"? Probably, but why the hell should I? Why should I have to pretend to be someone I am not and make myself (and likely other people) unhappy?

QuoteWhy can't we summon the courage, strength and self-love to accept ourselves in the bodies and roles to which we were born?

Why on earth would this be better? A person who summons incredible strength just to get through life.  If they changed their life so that they could focus on other things, imagine what this person could do if they could use that strength for *other people?*

What courage is there in submerging your identity at the expense of both your integrity and your ability to contribute to society and interact with other people? What "character" does it show to destroy your own potential as a human being?

QuoteWhy can't we just accept the cards we were dealt?

Do you remember my old signature, sir? (probably not  :P).  It used to read "anatomy is not destiny".   The "cards we are dealt," both physically and socially, are not destiny, Nero. IMO, they are just conditions you are given to work with, and it is how you change them that determines your strength, your courage, and your character.

I agree with Pia on the fact that we are still here.  Remember something I said a while back?  "Sometimes, I feel, like a soldier, without legs or arms, burnt beyond recognition, overwhelmed with wounds which, perhaps, will never heal, but at least I am alive, I am breathing, and now the war has ended & I am going home"

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