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How it feels to be told your only daughter thinks she is transgender...

Started by ravensgirl62, November 09, 2015, 12:19:09 AM

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ravensgirl62

Wow, first of all, I really want to thank each and every one of you that replied to my post. The outpouring of love on this site is overwhelming. You really make someone feel like family here and for that, I thank you. I have learned so much just reading through each and every ones story. My heart aches for all of you whose family turned their backs on you and for the one who said, God doesnt make mistakes, they are right. He made each and every one of you exactly as you should be. Including my son. I guess I need to get used to calling him that. It will be very hard for a while but when it gets hard or frustrating or I just want my daughter back, I will remember the sentence Cindy wrote at the very beginning of this post. She wrote "Visiting an adult transman and his family is a lot more fun than placing flowers on the grave of a dead child." and thank you for that Cindy because you are 100% right. I couldnt live with myself if I ever even had a tiny thought that I contributed to my child's suicide.

Each of you has said something for me to take away with me...
"Important things to remember from people on Susan's Place

-Talk to and endocrinologist and a gender therapist
Cindy said- Visiting an adult transman and his family is a lot more fun than placing flowers on the grave of a dead child.
Tatsuo said- I want to let you know ... the fact that she told you... means she has a lot of trust in you. A handful whom inform their parents of them being LGBT are kicked out of the house and treated as if they are sub-human and this is so wrong
Sasha-Grace said- First, as has been said; sexual orientation and gender are separate entities.
Debora said- My parents just told me I was crazy and threatened to send me to a mental institution.  But that was a long time ago and there is more information available now.  Oh, and my parents doing that didn't make it go away.  It just made me very good at hiding it and leaves me to deal with it now when life is a whole lot more complicated.
The cause isn't definitively proven but there is really strong evidence that it's due to hormonal influences in the womb that cause the brain to develop along either a male or female pattern.  Once a person is born these patterns are set and medical science has not found any way to change them.  There are dozens of peer reviewed studies that have been done on this and that are available on the Internet.
If he is transgender that's not surprising at all.  Lots of us here grew up a long time ago and knew our identity intrinsically in a time when there was zero media and no information available.  We may not have used the same words since no common vocabulary existed but the fundamental knowledge of self was there.
Clarabrown said- Genital dysphoria is also a different thing. Maybe your boy is perfectly fine with his genitals and doesn't want any kind of surgical intervention. That is perfectly fine.
If I were you I wouldn't worry about medical tratments yet, whether is it hormones or surgical interventions. Some people live all their life without them just fine. Just make sure your boy is comfortable and loved for who he truly is. That's probably all he needs at this moment.
Quote from: Deborah on Today at 07:54:54 am
The cause isn't definitively proven but there is really strong evidence that it's due to hormonal influences in the womb that cause the brain to develop along either a male or female pattern.  Once a person is born these patterns are set and medical science has not found any way to change them.  There are dozens of peer reviewed studies that have been done on this and that are available on the Internet. 

Psychology has also not found a way to  make it disappear.  That really isn't surprising because if the brain structure develops along a different path than the sex then there is really nothing wrong with their mind at all, other than it doesn't match the body. 

This is perfect. So spot on.
Peep says- It's great that you're here because educating yourself is absolutely the most useful thing you can do, especially as your child isn't necessarily old enough to face all the reading alone (if you come across anything that seems like scaremongering, cross reference it or bring it here to double check). It helps to put away a lot of worries early on if you have the facts.
CindyJones says: One thing that has not been talked about is your child's future life. I shall address your child as he/him/his/son since that is his self identified gender at this point. No one wants to face this much less go through all the steps to take effective action. It is difficult. The public is not on board in our society. And sometimes, it is all so overwhelming. I can tell you that your son can have a good life. I know several good men who have transitioned into wonderful and successful human beings. If not distracted by the dysphoria, your son may pursue a college education or advanced training. He can secure a good job. He can marry. None of these things are prevented by treatment. They all are hindered by not addressing it
I am glad that you are posting here. Reaching out is a good way to gain insight to what you are facing. Your supportive position is already a boon to your son's future. We can help provide support, in some small fashion. While no one would ever want this, everyone wants a mother like you.
Cameron aka Captains says: I saw my own mother in your original post. If you have any questions for transmasculine (FtM) people, feel free to ask.
CarlyMCX says: If you want to bring God into the mix, then consider this:  Jesus Christ Himself never condemned homosexuality, even when asked what the sins were.  He also said the rules of the Old Testament (specifically Leviticus) were the rules of men, and that they no longer applied, and it is what is in a person's heart that mattered. And as far as the later writings of the Apostle Paul, we have a lot of reasons to believe that the condemnations against homosexuality were added by others after his death, and/or deliberately mistranslated from the original Ancient Greek.

I don't think this is God having a sense of humor.  I think this is God saying "When I said 'Be fruitful and multiply' I didn't mean keep doing it until you overrun and destroy the rest of Creation."  A lot of animals tend to have homosexual pairings when populations get too dense.  It is a natural form of population control, and a far better one than disease, starvation or cannibalism.  God created those animals, and they are not sinners.  They are just animals doing what they were designed to do.  Do not listen to manipulative "Christians."  If you believe in intelligent design of animals, then you have to look at animal research and believe that homosexuality is part of the design as well.

God created you, and your children.  And he loves you and them.
TG Clare says: I will admit I didn't know diddly about being gay and I felt it was a choice that they made. I learned a lot later that it isn't a choice. Same with being trans. I didn't make the choice to be the way I am no more than I could choose my skin colour. I did choose to accept myself so I could live my life. It hasn't been easy but I feel much better than I did before
*Let them know you are in this together and they can come to you for solace and compassion as well as understanding. I am sure they are just as frightened as you are."

This IS a learning process, and like someone said, knowledge is power. I will voice a fear that gnaws inside of me like a rat... the fact that the public is so afraid and so unwilling to accept people who have any kind of difference. I hear of transgender or other ethnicities being killed for the way they are. A lot of people are not kind and could care less about the "whys". If you dont conform to their way of thinking, YOU are wrong not them and they let you know it. I am scared for my child. Scared to death. I am much more accepting than her father.. his father.. but he will watch what my reaction is and will follow suit. He always has lol so if I dont make a big deal out of it, he wont. I know my child will be glad for that. I let him know tonight that I felt alone in not being able to talk to anyone about it and he told me that if I felt I wanted to tell his dad to go ahead. I think I will just ponder that for a day or so and be sure its the right time.
I cant thank you enough for suggesting a gender therapist as I had no clue one even existed. My child already sees an endocrinologist for her thyroid issues... I would never have guessed that they could help in this situation. What does an endocrinologist do for that exactly? The way I see it, the more people who can provide my son... boy that is going to be so hard to get used to saying that.. with a positive experience as he finds his way through this, the better.
Do you all think I should show him this site? If you all have helped me so much, maybe he could find the advice here as helpful as I have. Again, I cant thank you all enough for your kind words of encouragement and advice. Its so comforting just knowing there is somewhere I can go where people wont ridicule me or scoff at what my child is going through right now.
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BeverlyAnn

Should you show him this site?  I would say yes.  There is first of all, a youth board here and he will be able to talk with people his own age.  That's important.  So many of us here grew up before the internet knowing nothing about transgender and thinking we were alone, the only person in the world like this.
Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much. - Oscar Wilde



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Cindy

Hi Ravensgirl,

I have a heavily moderated Youth area for young people to interact, as Beverly just mentioned, he is very welcome to join and meet new friends.

As for 'what next'.

He needs to talk to a paediatric gender therapist/psychiatrist and the endocrinologist. The usual process with a young person is to get them onto puberty blockers to stop the damage puberty does to us. With a supportive family/parent that should not be a problem. It is unlikely he would be put on HRT until he is 18.

BTW, as you may have noticed, we are a family, we try to help each other. You my friend are part of this family and we will offer all the support we can both to you and your child.

Love

Cindy
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Deborah

I want to recommend a resource you can read for very in depth transgender health care information including information specific to adolescents.  It is the World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH) Standards of care.  You can buy the book or download a PDF copy here, http://www.wpath.org/site_page.cfm?pk_association_webpage_menu=1351&pk_association_webpage=3926

You can also get it for free as an app if you have an iPhone.

It is primarily a document for health professionals but will probably thoroughly answer a lot of questions. 


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BeverlyAnn

Ravensgirl, I don't think it's been mentioned but something you might ask is his preferred name if he hasn't offered it.  If you had a name picked out for a boy, you might mention that as I've known some parents who asked permission to rename their child.  While my parents had nothing to do with my choosing it, Beverly would have been my given name at birth if I had been born the correct gender.
Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much. - Oscar Wilde



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TG CLare

Dear Ravensgirl;

Yes, I would speak to your child about the site here. I wish I had access to this when I was a youngster. It might have opened Pandora's Box a lot sooner for me.

Hang in there. There's lots of people to try to help both of you and you are not the first person who has had this happen to them.

It's a long road as has been said and you have taken the first steps and they are good ones. Support and education. Both will help the situation a great deal.

Best wishes to both of you.

Love,
Clare
I am the same on the inside, just different wrapping on the outside.

It is vain to quarrel with destiny.-Thomas Middleton.

Our chief want is someone who will inspire us to be what we know we could be. -Ralph Waldo Emerson

Dr. McGinn girl, June 2015!
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ravensgirl62

Thats funny you should mention the name. She was named Krysten at birth, and she said the other day she wants to be called Krys. It would make things easier for her to stick with something close to her given name I suppose. I asked if she had told any of her friends and she told me that yes, she had told two of her closest friends but omg that terrifies me. Its just the lack of social acceptance that to me can be dangerous. I have seen on the news several GLBT who have gone into a bathroom of their chosen sex and have had the crap beat out of them for it. I talked to my husband about all of this today after asking my child if it was alright and being sure she didnt mind and as I thought, he took his cues from me and is following my lead.
I do have to admit this is very hard. Its almost like your child has died and been replaced by a new person. I guess in a way I will mourn the loss of a daughter before I can celebrate the birth of a new son, if that makes any sense at all. There is still a lot for me to learn but thanks to you all, I will know where to go to find out ;) I think I will suggest my son come here and try out the youth forum. I know if it were me in the same situation, I would be anxious to talk to other people who were going through the same thing. In 1999 I found out I had a rare cyst in my brain that needed to be removed. I felt like the only one in the world who had this as it was so rare. Now there is a facebook page with lots of other people who have had the same thing or is just finding out they have the same thing as I did all of those years ago. This must be how my son is feeling as well, isolated and alone and thinking he is the only one this has happened to. Well maybe not as I am pretty sure he has found several transgender people on facebook but I am not sure facebook is the right place for him to be "finding himself"...
I will read the article you suggested and thanks for supplying that. I worked several years at Johns Hopkins Hospital so I am pretty current on the "lingo" lol Again, thanks so much to all of you for your support and advice. I would have been lost without it! <3
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Nattiedoll

Hey Ravensgirl,

I'm so glad you and your son are on the same page, this makes me happy. You sound like a great mother and your son is very strong and brave for going through with it. As far as him coming out to friends that's just something that comes along with the process, some will stay some will go but that's life. By me transitioning I learned who my real friends are and I'm grateful for that. Receiving support from loved ones helps being rejected by people. However, thankfully many people are learning much more about transgender people now so many are more understanding than you would think. It's normal that you will feel some kind of loss, my mother admitted this to me but now she's happy than ever having a daughter, it's about our relationship with each other not my gender.

Hope it's all going well.
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kira21 ♡♡♡

Awww, I wish my mum was like you! :-)

Good luck with everything x

Tessa James

Just want to add my support for your compassionate approach to raising and supporting your son.  i also thought about that crush he had on a teacher.  I often confused my desire to BE just like the women I admired with a romantic or superficial crush on them.  We can play some wickedly repressive mind games on our selves ;D  Glad that is over for me.
Open, out and evolving queer trans person forever with HRT support since March 13, 2013
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BeverlyAnn

Quote from: ravensgirl62 on November 10, 2015, 12:39:16 PM

I do have to admit this is very hard. Its almost like your child has died and been replaced by a new person. I guess in a way I will mourn the loss of a daughter before I can celebrate the birth of a new son, if that makes any sense at all.

Yes, it makes perfect sense and you are far from the first person ever to say that even here at Susan's.  Many wives staying with their spouse as she transitions have said the same thing.  "Even though she's still here I'm mourning the loss of my husband."  Don't be surprised if you even find yourself going through some form of the Kübler-Ross stages of grief.  Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression, Acceptance.  You may go through some of them, all of them or none of them and possibly not in order.  Just remember all of this is for your child's happiness.
Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much. - Oscar Wilde



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ravensgirl62

Sorry its been a while since I have been on here to update. Its been a busy few days... I was in touch with my childs pediatrician and was given some very good advice and some awesome resources around me. I love this pediatrician, she takes things the same way as I do. Did not belittle my son or say he was wrong to feel the way he does. Just said that stuff like this happens more than we could imagine and gave us the name of a good therapy group in our area called Renewal. Has anyone ever heard of this before? We are in the Baltimore area and it is a local group thank goodness.
Thank you Susan for playing Minecraft with Krys. He was totally in awe of you... going on and on about the things you knew that he didnt know after playing on there for years lol Isnt he such a great kid? So I have been doing some research on this and have read over and over and over that they believe that this could have been caused by an influx of hormones while I was pregnant. With my youngest son being bi-sexual I am really starting to think my womb has been screwed up for a number of years lol.
The best thing that has happened for both him and I is finding this site. I would be so lost without all of you. Thanks again for your support and information. Its more invaluable than you could ever know.
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Cindy

Great to hear that your paediatrician is on board. Lovely!!!

I wouldn't get too caught up on why we were born TG. I'm of the age group where my Mum was treated with DES to prevent miscarriage - so she could have the son she so wanted. Well that didn't work out to plan!

You may find a lot of resistance from some people and a lot of negative comments from bigots who think we are just a lifestyle choice or perverts, or worse. We are just very normal men and women who got caught up in a biological stuff up.

There is no blame on you or your son. I think, reading between the lines, that he is a pretty normal cute kid and you know that.

Most of us have suffered in one way or another for being transgender and at times it wears us down dealing with the hatred and rejection. Meeting a woman such as yourself who loves and helps her child lifts our spirits and gives hope that young people will not go through what we went through.

I and I am sure all the members would like to thank you; you give us the gift of hope.

Thank You

Cindy
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SashaGrace

It's so good you are supporting your son like you are, you go go girl!! Xx
'Yea though I walk through the shadow of the valley of death, I will fear no evil.' Psalm 23, Verse 4
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Asche

FWIW, I've heard parents and spouses say, after the dust settles, they realize they didn't lose their son/daughter/husband/wife, the person they become after transition is the person they were all along.

"...  I think I'm great just the way I am, and so are you." -- Jazz Jennings



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