Question:

What if a CIS womants wants a penis Sex reassignment surgery, a.k.a Phalloplasty? Not to assign her gender, but her genitals because she has severe bottom dysphoria. What would clinics do for this woman?

Well if she really has bottom dysphoria then she isn't CIS.  I imagine they would proceed as with any FTM and do as much as is necessary to relieve the dysphoria.


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kind of agree with what Deborah said. I think the first step would be a good therapist.

Quote from: zeekoe on November 11, 2015, 10:50:40 AM
Question:

What if a CIS womants wants a penis Sex reassignment surgery, a.k.a Phalloplasty? Not to assign her gender, but her genitals because she has severe bottom dysphoria. What would clinics do for this woman?

Hi, zeekoe. I agree with the others that it's the rare cis woman who finds herself desperately wanting a penis, and that that desire in and of itself is probably enough to warrant calling oneself transgender. There may be some other gender issues coming into play. Although, of course, one can identify however one chooses! So, no judgement here.

Unfortunately, however, phalloplasty is a very long and expensive procedure. There aren't very many surgeons who perform perform the procedure, and most, if not all, have fairly strict guidelines with respect to suitability. I'm under the impression that one had to be on testosterone to qualify for surgery.

I understand her desire... I really like my combination of body parts, now that hormones are doing their thing!  Unfortunately, I agree with captains that she's got a really tough road ahead.  Testosterone seems necessary to grow the clitoris into something a surgeon can work with.  She might get hairy, which can be its own source of dysphoria (though, manageable with electrolysis if necessary).

Quote from: lostcharlie on November 11, 2015, 11:13:43 AM
kind of agree with what Deborah said. I think the first step would be a good therapist.

I really disagree, why can't a CIS woman, want a penis? And why can't a CIS male, want a vagina? Do you have to be FTM or MTF to have extreme dysphoria to your junk? Sorry, but I really disagree, I am also a woman yet male, but I am totally not completely FTM, and not completely a woman. And my pain is true. I just need comfort, not any more dissapointments, so i am hoping for replies who can help me further. ( yes this topic was sort of about me and more women i know who want a penis, not because of fun, but because they sincerely hate their vagina, just as much as FTM's do)

You don't seem to be cis (lowercase letters, it's not an acronym). You seem to be trans and non-binary.

Therapist and/or psychiatrist should be your first step.

 
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Thanks.

I don't think the hairy part is the biggest problem, because you can laser that away but some other things like voice change is perminent. I think is more reason of dysphoria, because i'm talking about is happy with her voice.

Do you have to change your Passport gender aligment? It is rally neccesary to get the operation?

This one really feels like a woman ( another person im talking about because im bigender), but since she was little ''5yrs old'' she felt it wasn't right between the legs and actually got depressed over it and even had thoughts to kill herself over it. But never acted on it out of respect.

What can you call this, is still gender dysphoria or BIID? Or a big haze of penis envy? I do think personally she has the same right as us, to change that to be her true self.

Aren't there any other methods of getting your clit bigger without the hormones? So there aren't much side effects?

As far as I am aware HRT is required to enable clitoral growth to the extent you desire. This would require endocrinologists help and they would probably want the assistance of a therapist in makin the decision to go forward on hormones.

Phalloplasty and metaplasty are unfortunately very expensive, in the region of $100,000

The confusion we are having is that the description of yourself above fits the very definition of gender dysphoria.

There is no one set treatment.  The treatment you desire is possible under the umbrella of treating gender dysphoria.

However, taking testosterone, which I think you mentioned in another post will affect a lot more than just the genitals and there is no way to avoid these effects if you take the hormones.

What you probably need to do right now is speak with a gender therapist and together map out a plan that will address your issues.


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Quote from: Ms Grace on November 11, 2015, 02:28:37 PM

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Thanks.

I'm very sorry, My GF says I can react and be direct sometimes like this because of my autism but I dont seem to notice sometimes. I'll try to think of it in the future.

We do live in the Netherlands, where operation is refunded. So I'm happy with that. But indeed, its a very hard thing to do or to live with. Because not much people feel like this, there arent alot of rights that come with it. Also this woman already has a large C (larger then most cis man with a mircopenis, like 3/4 cm) so shouldnt it medically already be possible to do a SRS? how big should it be before you could technically do an operation?

It seems as if you do have gender dysphoria or perhaps body dysphoria, because you want to maintain your gender but want a significant body modification.  If it were a tat there'd be no discussion, but in society's wisdom and attempts to be helpful, we have drawn some pretty clear boundaries.  I chaff at some of them but respect them.

Sooo as you can see, I am somewhat of a rebel on these matters and found/find all the gate keeping largely a p-i-t-a.  It wasn't/isn't my game however and to play I have/had to follow 'their' rules.  In this case I wonder what rules should apply and firmly suggest the fewer the better. 

That said, there's much to be fully embraced out of the gate keeping mindset, such as: therapy, endocrinology, experienced surgeon, support groups, . . . these are things anyone facing such profound life changes ought to consider and use in the course of their treatment/journey.  They just make good sense.

I wish you well and suggest you keep talking here.  Also, we tend to be sensitive over disagreements here and for good reason.  I do suggest that if you find yourself in disagreement you do so in way that forwards a positive discussion for yourself and others.  That way a disagreement can be a pathway to a new level of understanding.  We can do that and disagree as long as we are respectful of others and create a body of conversation, a commons if you will, that serves as a set guides and markers for others to help them along their way, as well as serve the OP's needs to talk and process.

Take care,

Rachel